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    And you are noticing this now? If its not White on Black hate crimes, the media doesn't care. The truth is Zimmerman trial was a big distraction so that people would focus the attention on that instead on all the other issues the U.S. is dealing with right now. A distraction that was pushed and supported by the President, he didn't have to fuel the flames and he did. Ariel Castro on the other hand was clearly guilty of everything he did, Zimmerman however wasn't guilty of breaking any laws. They just made a racial issue out of something that wasn't and in the process not only was the life of a young kid destroyed but that of a man who was just defending himself. Zimmerman is going to walk around with the stigma of being a "racist" child killer for the rest of his life. That is unless he gets jumped by an angry mob and ripped to pieces first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schillinger View Post
    Now tell me, if this doesn't prove that US media has an agenda, what will?
    Isn't there already an overwhelming amount of proof? I can barely stand watching the news anymore, it's absolutely awful beyond comparison.

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    While I agree with you that the media is biased, there's a major difference. Castro got a plea deal so there wasn't really a "trial" per se, I bet if he'd have decided to stick with a not-guilty plea and waived his right to a speedy trial, we'd be hearing about the trial and verdict a year from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullmetal89 View Post
    And you are noticing this now? If its not White on Black hate crimes, the media doesn't care.
    Zimmerman is not white, while one of Casto's victims was black. This is all in your head.
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    MMO-Champion poster completely biased: unaware or else willfully ignoring that there has been coverage of the trial - quite a bit, in fact - on CNN, Fox News, ABC and CBS (and these are just the ones I recall personally seeing). Furthermore, MMOC poster refused to consider that guns rights activists on the side of Zimmerman were pitted against the gun control advocates on the side of Martin, with racial connotations on each side, bringing to a fever pitch the gun debate hysteria that's been building in America with strong opinions and vested interest on either side of the case. Compare that to a guy no sane person on Earth is cheering for, with absolutely no ambiguity about his guilt and no underlying moral debate surrounding his case short of "right to kidnap" or something. How long do you expect for-profit news organizations to continue with "latest update: Castro still obviously guilty, and we all still hate him. Enjoy footage of penguins sliding down icy hills for the next minute, since we have nothing else to say." Now compare that to the Zimmerman trial, in which exaustive coverage was met with an insatiable appetite for every minute update every second of the day.

    As a quick aside, did you really not catch the tone of acceptance after Zimmerman's acquital? Except for the overjoyed personalities on Fox and the mortified personalities on MSNBC, the rest of the country basically responded with "yup, proper conclusion based on lack of evidence. Justice system operated properly in this case." Unfortunately, you were apparently so busy torturing yourself with a few activists here and there who would obviously be invited on to express their disappointment (or else that would be a whole different bias, so it's only fair and proper!) that you missed all these facts and plotted your revenge the next time any high-profile trial got less than complete media saturation.

    Other than that, though, yeah man, US media sucks. You know how to fix it? Pay for/campaign for/complain on behalf of an outlet that strives for true objectivsm, instead of whatever TV station or newspaper or magazine most frequently corresponds with your particular emotional response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    Zimmerman is not white, while one of Casto's victims was black. This is all in your head.
    Yes even though Zimmerman is "latino" his father is white and they made it into a White vs Black tirade. Castro is Puerto Rican his victims where white and 1 black its minority vs. minority. They also didn't make a big deal out of it because they had gotten the verdict in pretty quick. Just like mainstream media tried to ignore the case with the black abortion doctor who was clearly one sick individual. They covered it but very briefly. The Zimmerman trail was all over the news for months not to mention that the media made it seem like the guy was guilty before they even got to trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fullmetal89 View Post
    Yes even though Zimmerman is "latino" his father is white and they made it into a White vs Black tirade.
    'They'? Right here and right now, it's you. You can blame the evil media all you want, but you are the one drawing the line here. Not 'they'...


    Quote Originally Posted by Fullmetal89 View Post
    Castro is Puerto Rican his victims where white and 1 black its minority vs. minority. They also didn't make a big deal out of it because they had gotten the verdict in pretty quick. Just like mainstream media tried to ignore the case with the black abortion doctor who was clearly one sick individual. They covered it but very briefly. The Zimmerman trail was all over the news for months not to mention that the media made it seem like the guy was guilty before they even got to trail.
    How about that girl who killed her baby? What was your race evaluation there?
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    People like you are so annoying. I understand you are trying to I guess make everyone seem equal and one is not deserving more than other. But can't you just let it go and finally realize that the media is just out to make money? Is it that fucking hard to comprehend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    One case had a predictable outcome, the other didn't.
    To the intelligent community both were predictable. Both had the outcome I knew would happen... Its the law.

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    The coverage of the Zimmerman trial wasn't about whether Zimmerman was guilty or not. It was about how much it could be spun to generate views. There were so many ways to spin that story, depending on your target audience, to drive up viewer numbers.

    The Castro case, though, couldn't really be spun, not without making you look like an asshole. So it got it's short bits and ended.

    Similar with the Gosnel case. Gosnel was fucked up, end of story. There's no spin, and thus no resell value on repeated coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    'They'? Right here and right now, it's you. You can blame the evil media all you want, but you are the one drawing the line here. Not 'they'...
    The line was already drawn by the media that he was 'white' latino and that was one of the things that put the trial all over the news.

    The difference between the two cases is that one case had the defendant pleading guilty because of the immense amount of evidence against him, the other case was just about politics rather than self defense. We can know this because zimmerman is still hated all over the country even though the jury reached the correct verdict, that people somehow think the law was wrong, that even though there is a great amount of evidence showing his innocence that he should be sentenced anyway, because the politics of the case was more about him being a "racist" than him being a murderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinner981 View Post
    The line was already drawn by the media that he was 'white' latino and that was one of the things that put the trial all over the news.
    Really? To me it seemed like about an unarmed 17 year old being shot to death. Somehow the media isn't breaking my balls to talk about race. If people didn't make race an issue, there would be no money in talking about this issue. Want to stop it? Stop propagating it with such oxymorons as 'white Latino'.
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    Imagine you go to the movies:

    One movie has a lot of suspense, a ton of plot twists, and a SURPRISE ENDING!

    In the other, you know who the bad guys is in the first scene, what he did, and how it's going to end.

    Which is more entertaining?

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    There hasn't been a trial yet... I saw a story on CNN this week where they were talking about it and a possible plea deal being brokered. When there's news with the story they'll report it. Since there hasn't really been any since it first broke...
    Yes, just imagine the exciting updates.

    "Ariel Castro, the fucked up individual that kept three female sex slaves in his basement, is still bargaining for his life." It just doesn't sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killadrix View Post
    Imagine you go to the movies:

    One movie has a lot of suspense, a ton of plot twists, and a SURPRISE ENDING!

    In the other, you know who the bad guys is in the first scene, what he did, and how it's going to end.

    Which is more entertaining?
    It depends what the context of each movie is via storyline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    Really? To me it seemed like about an unarmed 17 year old being shot to death. Somehow the media isn't breaking my balls to talk about race. If people didn't make race an issue, there would be no money in talking about this issue. Want to stop it? Stop propagating it with such oxymorons as 'white Latino'.
    17 year old, even though they used pictures of him 5 years earlier. But you are right, instead of the case being "City watch volunteer assaulted by 17 year old druggy, shot the assailant in self-defense." it was "(White latino)/(latino)/(whatever floats your boat) murders unarmed black 17 year old taking skittles and cough medicine home to his brother." Yet somehow the society is still split on which headline was actually more realistic.

    Race is not going to stop being a thing in politics because it is so ridiculously easy to abuse, as seen from this case. I am not the origin of 'white latino' anyway. Race isn't an issue the majority of the time it is made an issue, people are just overreactive to such things because the media and society has taught us what we should have kneejerk reactions to in the news, and a non-black person shooting a black person and then being found innocent was apparently one of those things.
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    Also, I think the Zimmerman case was borne more of media MANIPULATION than bias.

    Lookin' at you, NBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinner981 View Post
    17 year old, even though they used pictures of him 5 years earlier. But you are right, instead of the case being "City watch volunteer assaulted by 17 year old druggy, shot the assailant in self-defense." it was "(White latino)/(latino)/(whatever floats your boat) murders unarmed 17 year old taking skittles and cough medicine home to his brother." Yet somehow the society is still split on which headline was actually more realistic.
    Again, you are sensationalizing it. You are the one making it about this none sense you are listing. You are telling me what others are saying, trying to convince me it's about race. This is the very accusation levied against the media by the OP. It's you...

    Quote Originally Posted by spinner981 View Post
    Race is not going to stop being a thing in politics because it is so ridiculously easy to abuse, as seen from this case. I am not the origin of 'white latino' anyway. Race isn't an issue the majority of the time it is made an issue, people are just overreactive to such things because the media and society has taught us what we should have kneejerk reactions to in the news, and a non-black person shooting a black person and then being found innocent was apparently one of those things.
    It will be an issue in politics, as long as folks like you have no self awareness to know you are perpetuating it. The answer to OP was simple, there was no reason to bring race into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schillinger View Post
    Ariel Castro, the guy that kidnapped 3 under aged girls, held them in captivity for years and even impregnated one of them? Yea, that guy? Not a word of what went on during that trial. We just get a silent trial and a verdict. Hispanic guy (claimed to be white) shoots a black teenager in self defense? All over the news for over a year.

    Now tell me, if this doesn't prove that US media has an agenda, what will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killadrix View Post
    Also, I think the Zimmerman case was borne more of media MANIPULATION than bias.

    Lookin' at you, NBC.
    The 3 active threads about the Zimmerman trial active on a gaming forum, is the fault of the media?
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