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  1. #401
    Most of these horrible changes would likely make me unsub for the first time since I originally subbed in 2005.

  2. #402
    Some very good changes in OP post IMO. Just about all of it, in particular the 10 win thing for arena just makes arena lame (why I stopped doing it). Was much more fun when you had teams and you *had* to win if you wanted to progress and get the different gear available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belfpally39 View Post
    It's kind of hard to just not do LFR when you are in a top 50 US guild.... >_> I am forced to do LFR the beginning of every tier to make sure I walk in the raid with 4 set/bis trinks/etc.
    If you run in a Top 50 guild, then you should already beat normal long before the last wing of LFR is released.

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  4. #404
    I would quit so fast it would make your head spin.

  5. #405
    Quote Originally Posted by syar View Post
    I don't think these are the changes I want but I will tell you what would make me love the game again and resub:

    1. LFR redesigned: It becomes a grouping tool for old raids like SWP , Molten Core , ICC . The mob and boss levels scale up ( or you get scaled down) but it is the same forgiving difficulity as it is now in LFR. The rewards are : vanity items , transmorg gear . ( maybe with a new faction like " The Time Watchers" who want you to go back in time and relive the big victories of Azeroth or whatever)

    2. The actual raid content with the actual gear is not avalible in any watered down version until it becomes obsolete , then its avalible in LFR. Also we have one difficulity level , and half of the bosses have hard modes which you turn in while doing the fight ( like in ulduar). Raid has legendary quest lines, standard quest lines , reputation, gems associated with it. ( also an attunement which involves no grinding just story )

    3. More 5 man grouping content. 15 insances or more in an expansion , with normal and HC versions . HC versions are more like in BC but they have a curve. ( there are easy ones and then the difficulity increases so its like 5 easy 5 medium 5 hard hc instances, providing content for casual players ) I would keep the challange modes.

    I think the main idea behind my view is that, you can provide DIFFERENT content for every play style and not just make one content in hundred versions, recolor everything etc. And I have numerous other problems too much gold ( not enought gold sinks ) , PvP too e-sporty but those are smaller concerns for me.
    Doing what you suggested in #2 would make most new patches irrelevant to 90% of the people paying a subscription to the game, and makes zero logical sense at all to do in any possible way, and I can't understand at all why you think that's a good idea. You can't design content purely for a small minority of players, and then, for the majority, only give them a benefit in the form of some type of pity content. That's just plain stupid and financially broken. LFR, as is, is a long ways toward pity content, no need to make it even worse. Blizzard wants people to pay to play their game :x They'd be absolutely mental to design content that most can't experience again. They've already done that once :x I just don't get this sort of anti-person train of thought at all. It's actually pretty damned selfish :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belfpally39 View Post
    It's kind of hard to just not do LFR when you are in a top 50 US guild.... >_> I am forced to do LFR the beginning of every tier to make sure I walk in the raid with 4 set/bis trinks/etc.
    I think being in a top 50 US guild should imply you're going to be doing a lot of stuff you don't really want to do. Otherwise, aim lower and realize it's not the game's fault :x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otiswhitaker View Post
    Doing what you suggested in #2 would make most new patches irrelevant to 90% of the people paying a subscription to the game, and makes zero logical sense at all to do in any possible way, and I can't understand at all why you think that's a good idea. You can't design content purely for a small minority of players, and then, for the majority, only give them a benefit in the form of some type of pity content. That's just plain stupid and financially broken. LFR, as is, is a long ways toward pity content, no need to make it even worse. Blizzard wants people to pay to play their game :x They'd be absolutely mental to design content that most can't experience again. They've already done that once :x I just don't get this sort of anti-person train of thought at all. It's actually pretty damned selfish :x
    I think you quite misunderstood me. Current LFR content would just lag behind 1 patch , and in every patch I would release solo and 5 man group content with engaging story and rewards for people not wanting to raid. Why would this be anti-person? It's content for everyone , and all the player layers experience every lore sooner or later, and we have a clear progression path.
    What I propose is in no way anti person also its a philosophy that Blizzard followed(to a degree) while constantly gaining subs and peaking. Now they nerfed everything from leveling to the requirements of finishing the actual raid tier and they experiencing a decline.You have to put out some barriers and not just hand out everything because that just does not work. Kinda like why wining the lottery wont bring you a lifetime of happiness.
    Also I would like to point out that I'm in no way a raider I will not have the time required to do any raiding in the following 5-10 years ,or maybe never.But still blizzard just gives me what? Facerollable heroics, watered down raidlike rush fests without social contact? Thats catering to me ,the casual? No its more like catering to somebody who avoids challange ,social situations and hates engaging in teamwork, and that is somebody I am not . And I like to think its not what makes the 90%of the "community".

  7. #407
    I've already quit WoW, and no, I wouldn't go back for those changes. The problem isn't bringing back the old game. Truth be told, that's not what anyone really wants despite the complaints otherwise. It's like the TBC server talk, it's rose tinted nostalgia glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - Removal of flying mounts in Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor
    Id cry of sadness

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    - Removal of LFR
    I dont care very much but as I became a casual after cata, it would make things harder for me so i wouldnt be happy about it.

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    - LFD only available for level 90 characters
    NOOOO!! this is my only way to level i hate quests, id quit!

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    - Faction imbalances fixed and servers merged -> Removal of CRZ
    A good thing, id be happy

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    - Item squish to WotLK level
    Dont know and I dont care much, it would have been fun to try tho

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    - Less CC
    YES!! PLEASE
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    - Old Talents
    Bring back please!

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    - Removal of 10 win cap for arenas -> Introduction of team rating requirements for arena gear again
    Prefer it as it is now.

    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - Removal of shared raid lockouts
    Bring it on! I want!

    PS. Im a current subber
    Last edited by melkesjokolade; 2013-08-20 at 11:56 PM.

  9. #409
    I did quite WoW for University reasons and the reason I came back after was for Lore reasons. These reasons would drive me further from the game because of the convenience level they bring. I am yet to understand why a person would not want LFR and LFD, is it because they enjoyed the times when we had to stand around for an hour looking one group which may or may not complete the dungeon? Idiots!
    IMA CHARGIN MY FIREBALL!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aug View Post
    I did quite WoW for University reasons and the reason I came back after was for Lore reasons. These reasons would drive me further from the game because of the convenience level they bring. I am yet to understand why a person would not want LFR and LFD, is it because they enjoyed the times when we had to stand around for an hour looking one group which may or may not complete the dungeon? Idiots!
    I wouldn't be surprised if they never experienced them. LFD was introduced because there was an actual need for it, but some seem incapable of grasping that.

  11. #411
    if i quit and they made those changes i wouldnt even bother coming back, most of them are horrible except the squish

  12. #412
    Wow, every single one of those options I would either care nothing about, or they would make me dislike the game more. Glad this guy isn't running things.

  13. #413
    - Removal of flying mounts in Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor - yes
    - Removal of LFR - Absolutely.
    - LFD only available for level 90 characters - no, needs to be removed alltogether.
    - Faction imbalances fixed and servers merged -> Removal of CRZ - No.
    - Item squish to WotLK level - Nope.
    - Less CC - No
    - Old Talents - Yes
    - Removal of 10 win cap for arenas -> Introduction of team rating requirements for arena gear again - No input.
    - Removal of shared raid lockouts - No, all lockouts should be shared, including LFR.

  14. #414
    I'd still play, however I don't mind it how it is right now.

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    and there you have it, the wow community at its finest, morons/casuals everywhere

  16. #416
    That would cause more to quit than resub thus ending the game for everyone

  17. #417
    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - Removal of flying mounts in Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor.
    No, I like my flying mounts.

    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - Removal of LFR.
    No, it'll be an okay way to gear up when I come back in 5.4.

    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - LFD only available for level 90 characters.
    Terrible change, LFD is an alright, alternative way to leveling.

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    - Faction imbalances fixed and servers merged -> Removal of CRZ.
    Maybe, but I'm on a pretty big high population server now, so I doubt it'd be changed.

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    - Item squish to WotLK level.
    Hell no. I'd rather not go from doing 150k DPS to doing 15k DPS. I'd feel like I'm getting weaker, not stronger.

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    - Less CC.
    Like anyone CCs things now? (Unless you're talking about PvP, I hate PvP and don't do it, so this wouldn't effect me).

    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - Old Talents.
    No, no, no. Old talents were always the same, people always had the same cookie cutter specs as those people in Paragon and Blood Legion. At least now I can change them on a fight-by-fight basis and make them feel a little more useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    - Removal of 10 win cap for arenas -> Introduction of team rating requirements for arena gear again.
    Don't PvP.

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    - Removal of shared raid lockouts.
    Maybe, though then I'd feel obligated to do both, especially since they drop the same exact gear now.

    Quote Originally Posted by XJ9 View Post
    Would you come back? If not, what would make you come back?
    Not with the majority of your changes. I plan on coming back anyways, but Warriors having good comparative DPS and being not-so-shitty tanks compared to the others would do wonders for me. Having a raid team that's consistent and consistently shows up would also be very nice, but that's out of Blizzard's control.

  18. #418
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomana View Post
    This should go in the dictionary under "compelling argument"... nah, kidding, it makes absolutely no sense.
    So, cows and dogs are ok, but pandas are not? OK then.
    So Cows are a playable race now? didn't knew that! Thats of cours even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belfpally39 View Post
    It's kind of hard to just not do LFR when you are in a top 50 US guild.... >_> I am forced to do LFR the beginning of every tier to make sure I walk in the raid with 4 set/bis trinks/etc.
    Priceless. Top 50 on your server, right? Why else would you be forced. By the time the first WING of LFR is out, you should already be in hardmodes. Deep in them

    Oh and what I always wanted to ask. Say you are in a 25 man guild. Why don't you superbrains not ALL run LFR TOGETHER? It is over in like 2 minutes, nobody slacks. But no...you are "forced" bohoohoo - and big Daddy GM "forces" you to run it all and everyone alone with strangers to make you harder?

    Fine..so you are in a 10 man guild? You can all still queue together and pretty much carry the rest if everybody else would slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post
    So Cows are a playable race now? didn't knew that! Thats of cours even worse.
    There are cows and dogs like you insist on calling the other race pandas. Went right over your head
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    One cause is a cognitive bias called projection bias. Essentially living inside your own head your entire life makes it exceedingly difficult to understand how others do not also live your same life, think your same thoughts, and hold your same beliefs. In many cases it's quite frustrating to try to empathize and understand why you yourself may not be the center of the universe, which generally results in one 'acting out' in various ways.
    So, in short: the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post
    So Cows are a playable race now? didn't knew that! Thats of cours even worse.
    Well, minotaurs, technically, but it's a cow all right

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