So that's why UH is so much better than frost...

[Mendenbarr]

Well it goes from 60% to about 80% uptime, so kinda close.

[scabobos]

Yay a bug that increases our dps to levels almost competitive levels.... better nerf it so we're shit again

[Youarefired]

I have no idea what we're talking about. Too many acronyms.

[Auberdeen]

Apparently with this new thing that display RPPM on the item now on PTR it's clear that Rune Regen affects RPPM so UH gets 20% more than frost by default AND whenever RC proc is up it doubles the RPPM of the trinkets since it increases rune regen by 100%.

I was shocked when i saw this

Feather PPM for frost with BT = 0.72PPM
Feather PPM for UH with RC = 1.74PPM

Talisman of Rage PPM for frost with BT= 3.86PPM
Talisman of Rage PPM for UH with RC = 9.30PPM

LOOOOOOOOOOL

And BTW this dk was reforged and gemmed for mastery so the PPM difference is even larger when you put the normal UH reforges.

Sorry, not understanding all the jargon and what this thread is bout. Leveling a DK atm, at level 70 and tanking blood dungeons and frost for PvP, some1 please explain what this post is about and why current Blood Tap users are mad?

[Nikkosyia]

I have no idea what we're talking about. Too many acronyms.

What has been mentioned so far in relation to Death Knights.

UH = Unholy
R/PPM = Real/Proc Per Minute
BT = Blood Top
IBP = Improved Blood Presence
UHP = Unholy Presence
RC = Runic Corruption
RE = Runic Empowerment
Feather = Fabled Feather of Ji-Kun

[Khain]

Sorry, not understanding all the jargon and what this thread is bout. Leveling a DK atm, at level 70 and tanking blood dungeons and frost for PvP, some1 please explain what this post is about and why current Blood Tap users are mad?

Because stuff that gives you extra rune regen such as unholy presence and runic corruption are affecting RPPM(proc per minute) gear such as the legendary metagem and the trinkets but no one knew that until they started to display PPM on the PTR tooltip and this bug is going on for like ever and it explains a lot of things such as why unholy was better in this patch and why runic corruption was being superior to the other choices.

[Samsarathedk]

Yes legendary metagem, no cloak.




http://www.mediafire.com/download/c2...frost.html.zip

Here is a copy of the profile, "3" used RC, "2" used RE, and Death_Knight_Frost_1h_T15H used BT.

You drop from 124 HBs to only 94, and drops the overall dps from HB, and FS by a fair amount. No ones arguing that it's more "clunky" for lack of a better word.
However, as you can see in the sim, you get a surge of zandy procs, legendary meta procs, and trinket procs, and they more than make up for the gap.

About to crash out for the night but I saw you posted the sim so I wanted to pop in and say thanks. I glanced over it briefly and yes I do agree that the increased trinket procs are quite nice. I'll experiment with rc some more tomorrow when I have ample time to do so.

[Nikkosyia]

i did that 1 months ago =D.

Is it wrong that I enjoy the game for what it is currently (Could be loads better, but a massive improvement from Cataclysm by far), EXCEPT that I can't find a class I enjoy playing? Playing since Mists release, and have 8 90's, 3 level 88-89's. And 44 other characters across both factions between 60-85.

[SSHA778]

My guess would be that this went into effect when they switched RPPM to use "true haste."

Comical nonetheless.

[Enosh]

holy shit
so basically the only reason unholy was anywhere near competitive in t15 was due to a bug?

[Erishkigal]

Maybe now we'll get a blue post on the ptr

[Skarssen]

I've been doing all my dailies and other BS as blood recently and I really thought nothing of the fact that I always seem to be transformed into a Zandalari, and every time I look at my Talisman stacks while in combat it is either at 4 or 5.

But yes, I bet there is a near 100% chance that this is nerfed as soon as they find out about it.

[valliant13]

I've been doing all my dailies and other BS as blood recently and I really thought nothing of the fact that I always seem to be transformed into a Zandalari, and every time I look at my Talisman stacks while in combat it is either at 4 or 5.

But yes, I bet there is a near 100% chance that this is nerfed as soon as they find out about it.

If it is nerfed they will need to considerably buff both specs to even be viable. Which I personally don't see happening. I think they'll just fix the ppm for for frost.

[Deleted]

Just tested it on live, DW w/ RC and DW w/ BT. Didn't see the expected difference in uptime after 2 10min-dummy-fights (which is too short to be sure but I'm too hungover to do a longer test right now).

Also Frost/Unholy/Blood have different rppm-chances by default, not just because of the T5-talent.

[Skarssen]

Whenever one talent is clearly superior to the others in nearly every situation, the outlier receives a nerf. With this revelation RC becomes absolutely mandatory for all specs, in all situations. Even in PVP people are using PVE trinkets. Assuming they are happy with the RPPM system and we continue to see RPPM trinket design, RC will be too strong in comparison.

[Deleted]

We don't know if it's live or the tooltips on the PTR are even correct yet.

[Mendenbarr]

Whenever one talent is clearly superior to the others in nearly every situation, the outlier receives a nerf. With this revelation RC becomes absolutely mandatory for all specs, in all situations. Even in PVP people are using PVE trinkets. Assuming they are happy with the RPPM system and we continue to see RPPM trinket design, RC will be too strong in comparison.

*Cough*
Death pact
*Cough*

[CausalXXLinkXx]

People kept telling me Blood tap was better, I tried Blood tap and my dps was lower than RC, and all the top parses were using RC, so I used RC. Glad to know RC was the better choice, suck it Mendenbarr

[Mendenbarr]

/shrug
What was I supposed to do? BT is technically better, if this bug didn't exist.

[SSHA778]

/shrug
What was I supposed to do? BT is technically better, if this bug didn't exist.

You're supposed to intentionally screw over the sim results so that BT > RC even with this bug.

Standard procedure, you know.