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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by thatcrazypenguin View Post
    Quote from the latest interview with gc.

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    There are a few leveling areas that need stronger guards, such as around the Dark Portal in Blasted Lands.`

    So even the areas where world pvp is a tiny possiblity are going to get `super` guards that kill off any individual attack on an area before it even gets going.......

    tell me why I rolled on a pvp server again? `sigh` this game used to have some awesome open world battles before elite guards were introduced its totally at odds with the concept of a pvp server....if they want to be safe while leveling roll people should roll pve!
    Killing lowbies as they zone in with a loading screen isn't world pvp, it's just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    I get that. I just...I have a hard time not believing the gankers are bad.
    Oh, they can very well be bad. My point on that specific issue was that griefing has nothing to do with skill in a beneficial or detrimental way. It's like the PvE equivalent, "Rodger just killed a level 3 Boar, he's bad.".

    I do find it funny that a healer beat griefers though, talk about a loss of confidence. I rarely find bad griefers. Oftentimes, when me and 2 of my buddies are moving out in our anti-gank squad, we'll run into teams of 2500+ arena players. More often than not, we get our asses handed to us in those situations lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lime View Post
    Oh, they can very well be bad. My point on that specific issue was that griefing has nothing to do with skill in a beneficial or detrimental way. It's like the PvE equivalent, "Rodger just killed a level 3 Boar, he's bad.".

    I do find it funny that a healer beat griefers though, talk about a loss of confidence. I rarely find bad griefers. Oftentimes, when me and 2 of my buddies are moving out in our anti-gank squad, we'll run into teams of 2500+ arena players. More often than not, we get our asses handed to us in those situations lol.
    Maybe it's something about the times I end up "on patrol" in Hyjal. It's mostly new 90s who want to feel powerful by kicking level 80 players around.

    Once me and a guildie, who was a Holy Paladin, made the "patrol" together. How do you tell your friends that? "Yeah, a Holy Paladin killed me with Denounce."

    Mind you, I personally don't really enjoy PvP unless I personally know the person shivving me in the kidney. Then, for whatever reason, I find it completely hilarious. When I was on Moon Guard, for instance, with my main who was a Blood Elf at the time, whenever I did Tol Barad, one of the better PvPers from the Alliance side would run up to me shouting, "I LOVE YOU TIRIEL" as he deathgripped me. That was okay. For whatever reason, I found that damn good fun, and I personally enjoy being the "most valuable target" on the opposing team's list.

    I just have an obsession with fairness, I suppose, and a hatred of bullies. I've been bullied before, and I can't stand watching someone else get bullied and not do anything about it. I wouldn't even be on a PvP server, but this is where my guild is. -_-
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    Excellent. The guards should pose at least a minor threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Like Talen said: if you're only a target and have no chance to fight back then you're not taking part in PvP.
    Yes!!! I hate world PVP now and more to the fact of loser 90's ganking my low level alts. Basically this is what happens, 90 swoops down on his flying mount from 100 feet above ganks me (no PVP involved when you can 1 shot a lowbie) then mounts up and circles 100 feet above again. Oh you say I can call a guildie or say in general chat. Yeah like people are going to respond and if they do all the person does is just fly away, its not hard.

    At least old school, it had to be a mount and well before so many expansions it was relegated to Azeroth or say Outlands. Again the part of getting ganked 5 million times by same 90 and funny as soon as he ganks you his first move is to get on his flying mount and fly out of LOS....PUSSY.

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    Eh, PvP Realms exist solely to allow every possible type of douchebaggery you can come up with. If you don't like that, roll on a PvE server, where you can flag/unflag at your whim. Or if your idea of PvP is a "fair and balanced fight", then do Arenas and/or BG's.

    But PvP Realms are designed for unfair fights and is their sole point. And I say that as a PvE'er that will never roll on a PvP server, because that is precisely what I don't want.

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    Solution is kind of easy... all leveling zones should be like sub-level-20 zones where you can't attack lowbies unless you're attacked.

    Except for current content.. obviously. It SHOULD remain in Pandaria, even with flying mount unfair advantage.

    Now if your fun is ganking lowbies, I'm sorry to say, but you are a cancer in this game.
    Last edited by Spotnick; 2013-08-01 at 06:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spotnick View Post
    Solution is kind of easy... all leveling zones should be like sub-level-20 zones where you can't attack lowbies unless you're attacked.

    Except for current content.. obviously. It SHOULD remain in Pandaria, even with flying mount unfair advantage.

    Now if your fun is ganking lowbies, I'm sorry to say, but you are a cancer in this game.
    A game based nearly entirely around Factions bent on War, kind of makes me think people that sit in cities and have nothing to do with any of the other areas of the game are the cancer.
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    I'm okay with World PvP. If a 90 wants to take out another 90, go for it. Hell, if he wants to hit an 89-87, I'm all for it. I won't be the 90 to start the fight, but I'll sure as hell finish it.

    I'm even okay with a 90 who chances upon a lowbie while doing whatever in the open world. Kill me once, if you like, and then ride away. I'm fine with that.

    What I'm not okay with? Someone who has to establish dominance over lowbies with endless gankfests. We get it, I'm only level 30, and you're level 90. You are the superior one and have authority in this one single aspect of your sad, pathetic life. Do you HAVE to kill me 50 times? Why was once not enough? Are you really, truly that pathetic that this qualifies as entertainment to you?

    I'm all for pranking people. MC them into a cave of mobs and let them fight their way out, or Freeze trap them during a boss quest kill, or just sap them a couple times and get them paranoid about you being nearby. I'm all for that stuff, because it's a quick giggle that doesn't cause any problems. But endless killings because you need to fill a gap in your life to prove you're worth something to yourself? If endless gankfests are how you get enjoyment in life, then you failed horribly somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    I'm okay with World PvP. If a 90 wants to take out another 90, go for it. Hell, if he wants to hit an 89-87, I'm all for it. I won't be the 90 to start the fight, but I'll sure as hell finish it.

    I'm even okay with a 90 who chances upon a lowbie while doing whatever in the open world. Kill me once, if you like, and then ride away. I'm fine with that.

    What I'm not okay with? Someone who has to establish dominance over lowbies with endless gankfests. We get it, I'm only level 30, and you're level 90. You are the superior one and have authority in this one single aspect of your sad, pathetic life. Do you HAVE to kill me 50 times? Why was once not enough? Are you really, truly that pathetic that this qualifies as entertainment to you?

    I'm all for pranking people. MC them into a cave of mobs and let them fight their way out, or Freeze trap them during a boss quest kill, or just sap them a couple times and get them paranoid about you being nearby. I'm all for that stuff, because it's a quick giggle that doesn't cause any problems. But endless killings because you need to fill a gap in your life to prove you're worth something to yourself? If endless gankfests are how you get enjoyment in life, then you failed horribly somewhere.
    Why is it most people I see calling other people Pathetic generally have their Signatures and Avatars plastered with my little Ponies?

    Wut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krethos View Post
    Why is it most people I see calling other people Pathetic generally have their Signatures and Avatars plastered with my little Ponies?

    Wut.
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    Let's not insult each other here. Bronies are people too.
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  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by roahn the warlock View Post
    you'd think the simple solution would be a loss of honor for killing a grey, but that ruins city raids
    Loss of conquest or rating more like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krethos View Post
    A game based nearly entirely around Factions bent on War, kind of makes me think people that sit in cities and have nothing to do with any of the other areas of the game are the cancer.
    When the game was devoid of flying mounts, world pvp was hella fun even for lowbies because higher levels usually had something to do besides pvp in older zones and so could come chill/help out. The gankers also couldn't just fly away and land in some obscure location; the escapes were pretty damn obvious to most people as people had to avoid mobs to make sure they weren't getting dazed off mounts.

    The current world pvp is an utter and undeniably bastardization of what it was back in vanilla and even tbc for a while and wotlk around launch.
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    i dunno, my guild takes over the alliance quest hub (we are horde) on isle of thunder fairly often. And oondasta is usually alliance vs horde world pvp. It seems fairly alive to me. Just because you cant go into lowbie zones and gank doesnt mean world pvp is dead.

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    Are you serious? World pvp should be something like those epic battles back in vanila at taurren mill = people versus people

    Area around dark portal is heavily abused for ganking people as they re on their loading screen regardless their lvl. Ganking aint pvp Mr smartass

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    Ganking lowbies is one thing, but it quickly gets out of hand when the attacker has access to 310 flying mount and the lowbie is stuck on a ground mount. This isn't new - it's been around since TBC but crossrealm zones massively inflates the problem, and the weak guards have effectively made it so there are no safe areas for a long part of levelling.

    If you want to go out and grief someone questing and force them back into the safety of a town/quest hub or logoff that's fine, but the message here is that a single player shouldn't have the power to go into a town and effectively neutralize the safety measures and continue to grief. Guards aren't there for flavour - they're there to prevent opposing faction members from doing exactly that and the system hasn't worked since wrath when we started to outlevel the guards in the most common areas, and one person could run in and the guards would be like mosquitos. It just wasn't too big of a problem until cross realm zones
    They're not supposed to be invincible guards, just not something that can be trivially killed by a single player.
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    I think part of it is item inflation..Looking back raiding XR and TM was fun as hell...Oh the corpses..But these days if ya think about it ILV are so different even stats that it really makes higher levels super OP even BC gear does that in some ways.

  18. #438
    Quite frankly blizzard doesn't give an rats ass about world pvp that much is clear.

    No I don't do lowbie ganking nor am I for or against lowbie ganking to each their own. But what pisses me off most is in the vale of eternal blossom they made us have seperate capitol cities close to one another supposedly to have world pvp between the two faction cities. It never came to be..why? Simple thye proceeded to plant stupidly powerfull elite guards at the capitol city making any world pvp to be had there absolutley imposible. Quite frankly every time you could have a little world pvp(and I mean equal level vs equal level) somewhere blizzard would swoop in and place insanly powerfull guards there and I truly hate them for it.

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    they never should have made battle grounds and arena in the first place this is what caused death of world pvp
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeropeorth View Post
    THAT is exactly YOUR stance. You want people to be easily ganked; people want random fights, against people who are in a competitive range with them, while questing. THAT is world pvp. Going into a contested 20-25 zone, and risking running into a group of 25s who will stomp your face, or possibly, having a 25 try to gank you and you kill them! The randomness, the challenge, the excitement, the combat!!!

    You don't want combat. You don't want challenge. You just want to sit at a portal destination and kill people before their client loads. Shameful. You don't want pvp. That is the true answer. You just don't want to admit it to yourself.

    You know why ganking in TM/SS worked in the past? Because people called their guildies and friends to get come defend. They switched to mains to retaliate.

    People aren't on to 'call to arms'; and even if you switch toons to give them a real fight, they leave, scared of losing, scared of dying in a game. Hiding in the shadows instead of putting up a fight. Again, they don't want pvp, they want to just kill players without any risk.
    This guy has it down-pat as to what the OP is, thread should have ended right there.

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