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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Auloria View Post
    Casuals don't post on the forums, so who exactly are you talking about?
    Casuals in what? Head over to an RP server where you'll find players that invest 30+ hours a week into other activities outside of raiding or PvP.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by squid View Post
    This. Millions of 'casuals' just play the game and don't even know or care about fansites like mmo-champion
    I don't dislike casuals. They bring life to the game and are as good as everyone else. What I dislike about casuals is that they are Changing the game for their own good and ruining the experience and immersion of the game for everyone else.
    I see it like this..."the Casuals" were always the guys doing heroics and struggling to join for the first raid of the game. They lack time so Blizzard implemented LFG LFR queues for everyone anywhere you like and removed to community from the "World". .
    Content too hard for you? Were heroics too much difficult for you in Lich King? Ok, we make the content mega easy so there is absolutely no challenge in doing it. Everyone is supposed to do everything easily now for the greater good of...seeing the content

    The thing is...we don't want to see the whole game. We want it to be a challenge...a hard challenge that once completed we receive our rare flashy Crown to show off to everyone (I mean the cool looking epics from hard encounters). They were so good because of the unique looks and rarity of it...Now every casual can wear any item because content is all accessible.. And if a casual can do this EVERYONE can do it. There is no feel of reward nowadays.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Joegrizly View Post
    I think WoW should remove LFR/Flex AND Heroic. Why? Make it how it used to be man, that shit is just hard. It takes time and effort, we'll finish the content. I mean MoP is already almost over, this is supposed to be the last raid? SoO? Really? And I'm supposed to be excited to buy another expansion, which will probably be the last, because? Game is a JOKE!!

    .... Also I'm only 10/12 Normal mode
    At first I had no idea why you would want to remove heroic, then I read the next paragraph. Let me try to parse what you might be trying to say here ... are you saying .... "screw everyone who isn't as good as me, screw everyone better than me, screw everyone who isn't me, why doesn't blizzard build the game specifically for me?"

    Did I interpret you correctly?

    Also, if the game is a joke and you still haven't beaten it or even approached it in its intended difficulty after this many months, what does that make you? I dare say that your self-proclaimed hardcore-ness is also a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon138 View Post
    This thought doesn't even go through 'hardcores' minds the way you phrase it.
    Then why do they cry at every single step going to the casual while taking nothing back from them ?

    Who cry about LFR to be removed ? Casual ? Don't think so
    Who cry about "wellfare epics" ? Casual ? Don't think so
    Who cry about casualisation of the game ? Casual ? Don't think so

    Hardcore players are terribly insecure about their future. They fear that all THEIR content will be given to everybody, with nothing left to show how better than other they are. And that's pretty sad. Of course they also are hardcore player who play the "right" way, for challenge, for friendship, but the majority of so called hardcore are just like I describe.

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    Okay, here's something that needs to stop:


    The idea that "casuals" were the initial ones complaining. This is not true. This is a smokescreen.... concocted, I suppose... by special snowflakes who then attempt to "place it into the past" to justify their complaints by being able to say "THEY WANTED OUR CONTENT ALL ALONG!"

    This is false.

    This is how it really went down:

    4.2: Non-raiders have absolutely nothing to do after they finish firelands dailies. People continue to leave, after having received very little to do in 4.1.
    4.3:Blizzard knows players don't like difficult heroics. They know the heroics they have wont be enough to tide them over in the gearing process. There's no daily grind for 4.3; nothing beyond the dungeons and raids. They know MoP is still a ways away. They up their plans for LFR to include them for 4.3. No one asked for this; no one demanded LFR. Blizzard unilaterally put it into place.
    In 4.3: Queue people complaining about LFR "stealing" the prestige from "real" raiders.

    THERE. See that right there? THAT was the initial source of complaining. It was the SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES that were the ORIGINAL insecure ones. There was no "Blizzard, we want easy raids/copies of raid gear or any other bullshit that special snowflakes have attempted to 'inject' into the past" at the source of this complaining.

    Casuals more or less don't give a damn WHAT they're doing, as long as they're DOING something. LFR just now HAPPENS to be that something, by Blizzard's design. So if you're looking for the INSECURE people, it's the people that started complaining about people in "THEIR" Raids, wanting them to, frankly, have nothing to do, because no other things existed. That is what is petty and insecure.

    And to all the special snowflakes out there... No one wants to "be" you. No one wants "your" gear. No one wants "your" mount. No one wants "your" title. They might want gear of some form. They might think that a mount or title you happen to have LOOKS cool. But don't kid yourself. No facet of your being is something someone wants to be in this game. Once people accept this... the game will be a much better place.
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    This argument goes both ways.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Joegrizly View Post
    I think WoW should remove LFR/Flex AND Heroic.
    No.
    You want to know why?
    If we just have Normal, guilds will clear that in under a month.
    Then what do they do? Nothing until the next Patch.
    This isn't Vanilla/TBC anymore. Wake up and smell the roses.

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    Why are middle-of-the-road underachievers so insecure?
    Men!

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    Now having a ball on SWTOR!

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Then why do they cry at every single step going to the casual while taking nothing back from them ?

    Who cry about LFR to be removed ? Casual ? Don't think so
    Who cry about "wellfare epics" ? Casual ? Don't think so
    Who cry about casualisation of the game ? Casual ? Don't think so

    Hardcore players are terribly insecure about their future. They fear that all THEIR content will be given to everybody, with nothing left to show how better than other they are. And that's pretty sad. Of course they also are hardcore player who play the "right" way, for challenge, for friendship, but the majority of so called hardcore are just like I describe.
    The ONLY thing that hardcore players had was like...be able to kill the mega hard bosses. The rest was easily accessible for those average players. And im talking beginnings of Lich King time. Only when Blizzard decided to start nerfing Ice Crown to the ground and nerfing heroics overall that things started to get "casual". I think a balance was struck in that period, in terms of difficulty of the game.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Okay, here's something that needs to stop:
    4.3:Blizzard knows players don't like difficult heroics. They know the heroics they have wont be enough to tide them over in the gearing process. There's no daily grind for 4.3; nothing beyond the dungeons and raids. They know MoP is still a ways away. They up their plans for LFR to include them for 4.3. No one asked for this; no one demanded LFR. Blizzard unilaterally put it into place.
    Hate to break this to you, but people did ask for it. Hell, I didn't ask for it, but I wanted something along the lines of it. It's not exactly what I had in mind, but if you took out the people who make the choice to be assholes in LFR, it would actually be pretty god damn amazing. No one seems to realize that it's people's choices what makes LFR so negative more than anything else.

  11. #31
    Casuals= Parents with 10 kids! Hardcores= 45 year old virgins! Cascores are the good players we do all the content!

  12. #32
    LOL. It's not a matter of being insecure, it's more of a matter of not having enough time and energy or simply not caring enough to "punish" oneself over a game.

    Complain? The vast majority can't be bothered. They just quit.

    PS:The topic of the thread is incredibly ironic.

  13. #33
    I don't care about Casuals completing content....but at least give them crappy looking Armor please to differentiate from the guys who put up time to do hard content. All they have is the same items and same looks. Just a "tag" in the item saying "heroic". That's not rewarding enough

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    Who are you calling insecure?!?! Oh wait... I just proved my point.
    I'll take the sky any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woceip View Post
    Hate to break this to you, but people did ask for it. Hell, I didn't ask for it, but I wanted something along the lines of it. It's not exactly what I had in mind, but if you took out the people who make the choice to be assholes in LFR, it would actually be pretty god damn amazing. No one seems to realize that it's people's choices what makes LFR so negative more than anything else.
    I mean beyond a cursory "this'd be pretty cool." There wasn't some mass movement, or huge forum protests and stuff like that like you see, or saw, from the likes of people that hate that LFR is "taking away their uniqueness." There was no mass demanding "I think special snowflakes are too special, I want their stuff" as people seem to think they remember.

    Whey they remember it that way, who knows... but my money is on them trying to rationalize their whining by making themselves seem the victims, when they were the initial aggressors of this whole thing.
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    why are you so insecure, answer that and youll answer your own question, now stop wasting our time

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    This argument goes both ways.
    Actually it goes only one way and not in the direction the OP is asserting. LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsz View Post
    Why are hardcores so insecure? "Why should casuals get to see MY content and wear MY gear?"
    Exactly this. And how does other players' enjoyment of game features you don't use affect how much you enjoy the parts you do use? I'm not entirely sure the OP actually knows what "insecure" means.

  19. #39
    If you don't use LFR what does it matter if other people are? Not everyone has the time to devoted normal/heroic raiding. Also idk why anyone should care how other people are playing a video game, its just a game if you have fun playing it one way or the other then good for you.

    Hate how people have to take games so seriously nowadays

  20. #40
    It is a select segment of "casuals" who are insecure and have a lot of ego issues while comparing themselves to others. Not all casuals have ego issues and do take the game casually compared to these casuals who are more like hardcores who fail to make the cut. Just the ego it takes as well to claim that you are a casual and you speak in interest of all casuals itself is egotistical. Those who are vocal regardless of where they fall in game play behavior are still within the minority and it has already been shown particular given whats been going on in MoP that not all casuals want the same thing nor behave the same. The casual label covers a wide variety of players who are looking for different things and are not going to give two shits about what a hardcore is wearing while AFK outside of a bank. Those who get butthurt over someone else accomplishing more than them and being rewarded for it has ego issues themselves and display a competitive nature more in tune with the hardcore that they bash so much against. These kinds of players cant stand when someone else is rewarded more than them and must bring others down to their level so that no one else may be better than them in a video game.

    Not all casuals are insecure and take the game so seriously to get butthurt over others accomplishing more in a video game than them. It is merely a select segment of them that get their panties in a bunch and demand that a shelf be brought down to their level.

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