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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    Sounds more like psychobabble. Numbers are numbers, they aren't for "identifying with". If you are struggling to "identify" with 6 digit numbers showing up in a video game perhaps a reassessment is in order...
    Psychobabble? So why do we measure the distance of stellar objects in lightyears then?

    And they're not going to be 6 digit numbers if the trend contines untouched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandam View Post
    Would be horrible . So you won't be able to solo what you already can ... Eventualy need to bring other 4 people to /roll against you when the 1% Ashes of Alar drop...


    A reason to avoid paying them money for a subscription.
    Indeed. If I'm capable of doing that now, I should be able to do so in the future. If they make it so I can't solo all the content I can now, then I'll make it so they don't get a sub from me like now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaqwert View Post
    I seriously can't believe how many people are upset about this.

    Of all the changes that have ever been done to WoW this is like the least consequential ever.
    Not to me; to me this would be the worst thing they ever did. It is the worst thing they could do.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Fyersing View Post
    Wrong.

    If we assumed that a mob had 100,000 HP right now, and you autoattack for 25,000 per hit, then it should take you roughly 4 hits to kill it; if they reduced everything, across the board, by 50% then you've got a mob with 50,000 HP and you hitting for 12,500 per hit. It still takes 4 hits.

    The relative power of players wouldn't change, it's simply a visual remedy to "big numbers syndrome". If you quit the game and/or refuse to buy the expansion because of this change, you're probably 6 years old and not the target demographic for this game.

    That is the kind of change most are fine with. Though, there is also a chance and some people saying they also want the relative player power to decrease in the process to give the old content a semblance of being relevant.


    With what you mentioned, I am fine.. no problem. Decreasing relative player power (which might.. possibly happen) is something I would hate and very much so. And I feel many people would be angered by it.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
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    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Some people want to think they'll decrease player power and thus kill soloing.


    I say that's a waste of time and Blizzard could never realistically do that due to the backlash. Even if they did, it'd be like the RealID fiasco where the rage is too big and it'd have to be reverted.


    I say, just a certain percentage across the board so everything is weaker while the player power remains exactly the same.
    Nope. Years after Blizzard released their own graphic showing everyone with basic math skills that relative player power will change, people still spread lies like this on forums.

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    Item squish will be truly amazing. Some of us have been working almost 9 years on the same character now, slowly increasing it's power over the years. And now people are asking to simply undo half the work. Guess character progression isn't something that belongs in RPGs anymore these days.

    How about we lower peoples wages by 50% and tell them nothing will change

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    One thing to add

    The oldest CPU I have ever owned was a 1995 laptop, with 320 MB of ROM, 32 MB of RAM, running Windows 95.

    I played around with a mathematics program on it as part of an assignment for programming class. I was attempting to see the max limit in mathematical preformance before there was "noticable" lag on the computing preformance.

    The first time I noticed a slight lag in time of calculation was when it was solving 54 equations/second using 52-56 digit equations.

    WoW will NEVER reach the point that computations in game will slow ANY device capable of running the minimum requirements for the game.

    So, the entirety of the Item Squish really boils down to big numbers v small numbers. (Theres also the affects on soloing, with most of the supporters for item squish going "fuck soloing, ALL RAIDS SHULD BE UNSOLABLE 4EVA", and most of the ones AGAINST the squish worrying about how it will affect soloing)

    So dont be bringing in BS about big numbers causing strain on the CPU, because WoW won't even get into 13 digit computations within its lifetime.
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    I hope there wont be any squish in next expansion, the big one.
    What i really want is Pandaria gear 2.0. I mean we'll start with blues at 450, heroic items at 476 and so on up to 550-600 maximum.
    Or... squish ilvl to cataclysm, could work too.

  10. #210
    Hope it goes ahead, up until Cata (more so in vanilla and TBC) getting upgrades seemed to give a better feeling (personally) of power augmentation now it just seems...meh "545 strength instead of 500 ok guess that's good"

    It may all be relevant percentage wise but smaller numbers just feel better (again personal opinion).

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Marksman12 View Post
    "Tencent: How will you deal with bigger and bigger numbers in the next expansion? I think it is time to do something with it.
    Ghostcrawler: We have considered this problem and we will reduce players' stats in the next expansion."

    I am so excited they finally manned up and decided to push this through. What number range do you guys think they will be reduced to? BC, Nilla, Wotlk? I am personally hoping for BC numbers.

    Also, for people who are afraid of this conflicting with soloing content, it wont. The squish scales EVERYTHING down in game, so we will still be able to solo content like we are currently now.
    Ok what am I missing, why is this exciting?
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  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Asmekiel View Post
    Item squish will be truly amazing. Some of us have been working almost 9 years on the same character now, slowly increasing it's power over the years. And now people are asking to simply undo half the work. Guess character progression isn't something that belongs in RPGs anymore these days.

    How about we lower peoples wages by 50% and tell them nothing will change
    Blizzard is planning 3 expansions ahead at the moment. Can you even imagine how ridiculous stats will get by the time we get to that third new expansion?

    Billions of hp? Trillions of damage? It's absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    That is the kind of change most are fine with. Though, there is also a chance and some people saying they also want the relative player power to decrease in the process to give the old content a semblance of being relevant.


    With what you mentioned, I am fine.. no problem. Decreasing relative player power (which might.. possibly happen) is something I would hate and very much so. And I feel many people would be angered by it.
    If they are trying to give old content a semblance of relevance, it will be at the level it's meant to be completed at and not max level. Ever tried running a 40 man raid at level 60 these days? Complete joke. I know people who do Herald of the Titans runs still and you only need 8 competent people to complete it, and they can be in a mix of quest and Naxx gear. For twink guilds, old content is a joke.

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  14. #214
    Nothing has been confirmed, only said "might happen in the next expansion."


    Plus number squishing is a waste of time to fix something that doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrax View Post
    In other words, your Fireball will still do the same percentage damage to a player or a creature that it does today, but the number would be smaller. Logically, this seems like it would work, and it does.

    Ghostcrawler says this, and they've tested the item level crush internally. If he says logically it works - logically it works.
    Ghostcrawler also said players wouldn't queue as healers when using DPS specs when they implemented roles in BG queues, didn't he? Look how that fucking turned out. They had to disable it at the beginning of the patch because players were doing exactly that. Don't take GC's word as law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    Only it still will be soloable because you do the same damage now relative to what you did before. They aren't slashing our stats while keeping the rest of the game the same. That would not only break old content, but it would break current content as well. EVERY number is being lowered. The only difference you will see is you do 2000 damage instead of 200,000. Current soloable bosses will still be soloable.
    You need to go and look at page 8 too. You're highly mistaken.

  16. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Thelxi View Post
    Nope. Years after Blizzard released their own graphic showing everyone with basic math skills that relative player power will change, people still spread lies like this on forums.

    In other words.. alienate their player base for no good reason. It might be that they were considering it, but they were considering a lot of methods. That doesn't make it a lie. It just makes what I mentioned the most logical of the bunch because decreasing the relative player power would cause a lot of rage in the community, I can tell you that. And why? For no good reason whatsoever. The cons of that outweigh the pros.


    Quote Originally Posted by Axethor View Post
    If they are trying to give old content a semblance of relevance, it will be at the level it's meant to be completed at and not max level. Ever tried running a 40 man raid at level 60 these days? Complete joke. I know people who do Herald of the Titans runs still and you only need 8 competent people to complete it, and they can be in a mix of quest and Naxx gear. For twink guilds, old content is a joke.

    That might be so, but there is a reason it's outdated content. Just don't touch it, and just don't touch relative player power. If Blizzard does do so, they risk creating a large flamestorm. At least, that's what I think.
    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

  17. #217
    Its crazy how many of you guys are getting hung up on the soloing aspect. Soloing WILL NOT be affected.

  18. #218
    YES! I just hope they don't half ass it and we end up with 100k HP like in Cataclysm. Go all the way, I want BiS tanks to have 5-10k~ HP by the end of the expansion!

    Obviously farming / soloing older content is a big part of our game at this point, so I'm hoping they'll keep that around.

    Otherwise - very happy.

  19. #219
    Muh old content. Blizzard doesn't balance the game around old content. If you can't solo it anymore, then deal with it. It was never intended to be solo'd anyway.

  20. #220
    Oh no, guys! Our raids that required people in the past might require them again! Whatever will I do, my poor friendless self?!

    Bring friends and make reservations over items if you're so worried. Seriously?
    If they won't come, find people. After all, not everyone is worried about mounts, or certain items.

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