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    to be fair most people that value scientific wisdom are not atheists they are agnostics. Atheists go out of their way to prove there is no god and try to "convert" you into believe the same. Agnostic people just live their life and until there is proof one way or another we will stick to science and what we believe.

    What I find the most ironic thing is that Jesus was Jewish. So technically this book is about a Jew that founded Christianity that was written by a Muslim which all of those three religions came from a mutual origin...the only REAL difference is the name they call their god and whether they dedicate a day of worship on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

    The day Fox news will have intelligent journalism and conversations is the day it is solely run by Hank Green and Micheal Stevens with CGP Grey doing the visuals and evening news.

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    The best part of this were the people who ended up "debating" Reza Aslan's credentials. It is absolutely fascinating what some people will argue over.

    http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/fir...epresentation/

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    You're all upset because Fox, the most nationalist news station in America, has reporters who are uncomfortable around Muslims?

    I should go make a thread to express my bewilderment that grass is green...

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    Lol I saw the post and was thinking oh people are asking about our most embarrassing interviews. I was going to explain how I walked into a glass wall after an interview. Still got the job

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    1:48 proves she didn't even read the book. her stuttering shows that.

    anyways, she's using a common debate tactic to coax and rile up the opposition, so as to make them look like they don't know what they're talking about. too bad it completely back fired on her.

    fucking faux news, and their seriously backassward journalists.

    edit* for typo reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    to be fair most people that value scientific wisdom are not atheists they are agnostics. Atheists go out of their way to prove there is no god and try to "convert" you into believe the same. Agnostic people just live their life and until there is proof one way or another we will stick to science and what we believe.

    What I find the most ironic thing is that Jesus was Jewish. So technically this book is about a Jew that founded Christianity that was written by a Muslim which all of those three religions came from a mutual origin...the only REAL difference is the name they call their god and whether they dedicate a day of worship on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

    The day Fox news will have intelligent journalism and conversations is the day it is solely run by Hank Green and Micheal Stevens with CGP Grey doing the visuals and evening news.
    Atheist simply means you dont believe. Nothing about proving anything. Agnostic means you dont know - they arent mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Atheist simply means you dont believe. Nothing about proving anything. Agnostic means you dont know - they arent mutually exclusive.
    But if you are agnostic, then you don't believe, so you are an atheist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cattaclysmic View Post
    Atheist simply means you dont believe. Nothing about proving anything. Agnostic means you dont know - they arent mutually exclusive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    But if you are agnostic, then you don't believe, so you are an atheist.
    agnostic = I don't know whether (a) god(s) exist.
    hard agnostic = It is impossible to know whether or not (a) god(s) exist.
    atheist = There is not (a) god(s).
    ignostic = We haven't even figured out what a "god" is, so how are we supposed to determine whether any exist or not?

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    Not to bring this too OT, but does anyone else have a feeling he's gay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    agnostic = I don't know whether (a) god(s) exist.
    hard agnostic = It is impossible to know whether or not (a) god(s) exist.
    atheist = There is not (a) god(s).
    ignostic = We haven't even figured out what a "god" is, so how are we supposed to determine whether any exist or not?
    atheist = there hasn't been sufficient evidence or reason to believe in a god

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ateista View Post
    1:48 proves she didn't even read the book. her stuttering shows that.

    anyways, she's using a common debate tactic to coax and rile up the opposition, so as to make them look like they don't know what they're talking about. too bad it completely back fired on her.

    fucking faux news, and their seriously backassward journalists.

    edit* for typo reasons.
    they aren't journalists. they are news anchors fed lines like an actor from the AP - the one big news company that gives everyone their info.

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    Not to bring this too OT, but does anyone else have a feeling he's gay?
    i didnt notice. all i noticed was that he was not in fact a lion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kujako View Post
    But if you are agnostic, then you don't believe, so you are an atheist.
    Wrong. Agnostic means you can't prove, not that you don't believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Not to bring this too OT, but does anyone else have a feeling he's gay?
    Aslan has a wife. I believe he states she is a Christian during the pathetic excuse for an interview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post

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    Its not a philosophy and its not a movement - its a definition. Just like vegan is not a philosophy, and movement but the definition of someone who doesnt eat meat. If you assign more meaning to it you are making an assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    Wrong. Agnostic means you can't prove, not that you don't believe.
    Agnostic means you dont know - not that you cant prove. Gnostic literally means "knowing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    agnostic = I don't know whether (a) god(s) exist.
    hard agnostic = It is impossible to know whether or not (a) god(s) exist.
    atheist = There is not (a) god(s).
    ignostic = We haven't even figured out what a "god" is, so how are we supposed to determine whether any exist or not?
    atheist = i dont believe in gods existing
    agnostic = i dont know if gods exist

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisisvacant View Post
    Wrong. Agnostic means you can't prove, not that you don't believe.
    Not quite. This would make anyone who is religious an agnostic.

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    We're forgetting a group:
    Anti-theists.
    Those are the people who are usually described as 'atheist.' They're not necessarily atheists, but usually don't believe in deities (so usually they're atheists). However, what makes anti-theists special is their hatred of deities, and their militant behaviour.
    Militant atheists aren't always anti-theists; they can be militant in order to defend secularism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    We're forgetting a group:
    Anti-theists.
    Those are the people who are usually described as 'atheist.' They're not necessarily atheists, but usually don't believe in deities (so usually they're atheists). However, what makes anti-theists special is their hatred of deities, and their militant behaviour.
    Militant atheists aren't always anti-theists; they can be militant in order to defend secularism.
    Why would you hate something you admit doesn't exist? They sound like tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stir View Post
    We're forgetting a group:
    Anti-theists.
    Those are the people who are usually described as 'atheist.' They're not necessarily atheists, but usually don't believe in deities (so usually they're atheists). However, what makes anti-theists special is their hatred of deities, and their militant behaviour.
    Militant atheists aren't always anti-theists; they can be militant in order to defend secularism.
    You appear to be crossing anti-theism with misotheism.

    anti-theists are opposed to people believing in god(s).

    misotheists believe that god(s) exist and they hate said god(s).

    And really, one can make a real good case for not liking the judeo-christian god if he actually exists.
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