View Poll Results: Should Ghostcrawler be replaced as Lead Systems Designer?

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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post

    The other thing is that Blizzard is a company which just wants to maximize profits, as all companies do.
    We are seeing a decline in subs and with this, in income for quite a while now.
    True, true and very false. Completely off topic, but do a little research before making claims. Blizzard income has not been dropping 'for quite a while now', in fact income is still increasing at ~5%

    What THIS has to do with Greg Street and his job, is beyond me, however. Generally these issues are laid at the feet of those much higher in the food chain than him!

  2. #182
    I actually like GC, always have. He's reasonable enough and pretty fair at explaining things.

    Regardless, with the precipitous drop in subs... how does the lead designer keep his job?

    It's not like there are killer mmo's leeching away at the base as competition...

    So... pretty much if your "lead" anything in wow, you probably ought be let go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionx View Post
    I actually like GC, always have. He's reasonable enough and pretty fair at explaining things.

    Regardless, with the precipitous drop in subs... how does the lead designer keep his job?

    It's not like there are killer mmo's leeching away at the base as competition...

    So... pretty much if your "lead" anything in wow, you probably ought be let go.
    Because Blizz knows that WoW's day in the sun has passed. And they know that no matter what they do, they're going to lose subs. So getting rid of someone who is good at their job just because of sub loss isn't the wisest course of action.

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    I can remember one of the worst stuff he said considering healing balance at least.


    it was something along these lines:
    You can't check the meters on who is the best performing healers, a lot of factors balance into this, f.ex. tranquility for resto druids (at the time the worse healer) is giving massive output while disc priest's (at the time the best performing healer, what meters showed at least.) PW: barrier is not showing on the meters.

    I still don't get it, why would he use an example to make it so obvious how underbalanced druids were when tranquility was parts of their healing, and disc priests with a cooldown on par with tranquility or even better, could outperform the healing done by a resto druid even when resto druids have a major CD affect their healing done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyeranth View Post
    Why dont we just have thrall and Malfurion whip it out and someone can measure and then we can be done with it.

  5. #185
    I would put part of the blame on metzen and chris for the lore. I'd get rid of all 3 of them.

  6. #186
    I think WoW losing subs was inevitable, it's an old game.

    The question is, are the changes Blizzard making slowing down the sub loss or speeding it up?

    As long as he remains it's clear Blizzard thinks they are doing their best to slow the loss so they are pleased.

    Whether or not that's true is debateable.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    If people think that GC and Blizzard are doing a bad job with WoW because of falling sub numbers, just look at what happened to SWTOR. That game was designed exactly like how some people here want WoW to be designed. No LFR, no shortcuts, grinding leveling, etc. That game came out and fell flat on its face.
    To be fair, most people I knew didn't mind the grinding and lack of automatic grouping. They hated the lack of end-game content, and to some extent some people got tired of the voice overs.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by theburned View Post
    I can remember one of the worst stuff he said considering healing balance at least.


    it was something along these lines:
    You can't check the meters on who is the best performing healers, a lot of factors balance into this, f.ex. tranquility for resto druids (at the time the worse healer) is giving massive output while disc priest's (at the time the best performing healer, what meters showed at least.) PW: barrier is not showing on the meters.

    I still don't get it, why would he use an example to make it so obvious how underbalanced druids were when tranquility was parts of their healing, and disc priests with a cooldown on par with tranquility or even better, could outperform the healing done by a resto druid even when resto druids have a major CD affect their healing done.
    You should have read the beta threads for healing priests.

    Priests: "we have severe mana issues, all we're doing is getting a handful of heals off because we're spending the entire raid encounter spamming solace for mana".
    GC: "solace feels required for priests then? well, we'll just nerf solace mana return by 90%". HE LITERALLY SAID THIS in a beta thread in response to priest mana complaints.

    End result? Priests get mana regen balanced hotfixed/patched in weeks after MoP release, solace remains pretty much unusable for healing priests for an entire raid tier...I believe, I had benched my priest from the EXACT SAME SHIT happening with priests when Cataclysm went live.

    GC can go eff himself, after following PTR changes/beta forums for Cata and MoP I can honestly say he has no idea wtf he is doing. Not his team, HIM PERSONALLY based off of what he himself says on the forums.

  9. #189
    Which position? Punching bag for ignorant fools that ignore completely the subject they are complaining about, and yet talk like Ph.D. while they say GC is responsible for it, as if he did just about EVERYTHING in the game?

    No, he is pretty safe.

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    I think he's a boogeyman for people upset with the game.
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  11. #191
    Stop it. GC is one of the best developers!

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhamses View Post
    The sub loss was going to happen regardless of what Blizzard did.
    Maybe it was. But Blizzard DIRECTLY and KNOWINGLY contributed to the subloss over the past 4-6 years. They've made sure that they can make greater profits in other ways through the game though.
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    We had a poll like this not too long ago.

    This one is turning out exactly the same way the last one did.

    Like, I'm pretty sure ALL of the coments, from "GC is intentionally ruining the game as evidenced by his treatment of my class" or "he makes all balance decisions" to the people responding to said complaints with "you're stupid if you believe that."

    Nothing new to see here.
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  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    You should have read the beta threads for healing priests.

    Priests: "we have severe mana issues, all we're doing is getting a handful of heals off because we're spending the entire raid encounter spamming solace for mana".
    GC: "solace feels required for priests then? well, we'll just nerf solace mana return by 90%". HE LITERALLY SAID THIS in a beta thread in response to priest mana complaints.

    End result? Priests get mana regen balanced hotfixed/patched in weeks after MoP release, solace remains pretty much unusable for healing priests for an entire raid tier...I believe, I had benched my priest from the EXACT SAME SHIT happening with priests when Cataclysm went live.

    GC can go eff himself, after following PTR changes/beta forums for Cata and MoP I can honestly say he has no idea wtf he is doing. Not his team, HIM PERSONALLY based off of what he himself says on the forums.
    I feel you, was on vacation, and when i came back 5.2 came out, and I got this as a response: "If you were anything, but a resto druid we would have spot for you, but can't take in a resto druid, it's too weak..." and now for 5.3 when it got buffed I am quite severly undergeared, but will try to find something for 5.4
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyeranth View Post
    Why dont we just have thrall and Malfurion whip it out and someone can measure and then we can be done with it.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Seezer View Post
    Because Blizz knows that WoW's day in the sun has passed. And they know that no matter what they do, they're going to lose subs. So getting rid of someone who is good at their job just because of sub loss isn't the wisest course of action.

    I don't think Wow's day in the sun has passed, that won't happen until there is a true competitor.

    I think there have been DESIGN choices that led to people not wanting to play.

    A for instance is, if you haven't played an alt in a while (by a while I mean at least an expansion or so) and go back to it now from what you recall.. you would be like wtf am I supposed to do. The specs have changed so much it's a bit unsettling.

    Though I guess you can also look at How many people play Rift, how many people play SWTOR and realize those totals (which I am unaware of totally) subtracted from wow for their large part.
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  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by oblivionx View Post
    I actually like GC, always have. He's reasonable enough and pretty fair at explaining things.

    Regardless, with the precipitous drop in subs... how does the lead designer keep his job?
    We're not talking about the "lead designer". We're talking about Mr. Street. That is not his job title.
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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadev View Post
    I think he's a boogeyman for people upset with the game.
    He's the one that actually communicates with the fanbase, so people take out their frustrations on the guy they know as opposed to the few hundred guys they don't.

    I voted "no," by the way. Full disclosure.

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    For doing his job? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler
    MMOC forums let me keep my job again. Whew.
    ahahahahah he's been following I see
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    If X is % better then Y, Y is bad. I hate that concept with the searing, burning unfathomable energy of a collapsing supergiant.

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    I voted 'YES', but not because of the sub loss.

    Most of the game mechanics systems in the game current just play wonky. Most of them feel more like a step backwards rather than a step forwards. Even though the two I don't like a lot are more based around Reputation, and Valor points I don't think that's in his control. The current VP pre-5.4 patch set up is just bad. Either it's farm Scenarios/Heroics for gear, or Reputation grind through dailies, or Heroics for daily Reputation bonuses to unlock some decent Valor gear. OR you could just PvP for mediocre gear between that.

    The two gripes I have that I feel are a step backwards is the removal of the Totem Bar for Shamans. I mean really, those helped. That really, really helped. A lot. It shouldn't of been removed.

    And the approved buffs for Warriors. Warriors don't need all of those buffs for 5.4. They're fine as is currently. At most they need some nerfs for DPS while the buffs for tanking are fine. Just what's going on there too?

    I really don't want to see him fired from his job. Just replaced, or take a step down from his position for an Expansion and let someone else do it for him but with his guidance. I'd actually would like to see an Expansion for WoW done by the interns, and only the interns. How's that for an idea?

    Whoops, derailed there.

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