View Poll Results: Should Ghostcrawler be replaced as Lead Systems Designer?

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  1. #361
    Quote Originally Posted by jax View Post
    Will he be? Doubtful.
    Should he be? Absolutely.

    The game has seen a huge decline under his watch.
    Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    Its like a quarterback, he controls 1 aspect out of 30 of the game but if the team is loosing he takes 99% of the blame.
    Good thing he isn't the quarterback, then.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  2. #362
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    Ghostcrawler is my Hero. I LOVE him. Best thing that ever happened to the game.
    @Ghostcrawler:Some advice: [My pet issue] is why there were sub losses is one of the weaker arguments players use. Players don't have that data.

  3. #363
    Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
    Maybe you should stop looking up Latin terms and try a bit of reading comprehension. No where did I blame him and say... "therefore its his fault."
    I said he was the front man and like all front men he is tied to the success or failure of the situation in question.

    Good thing he isn't the quarterback, then.
    No one said he was the quarterback... it was an analogy...

    analogy [(uh- nal -uh-jee)]

    A comparison of two different things that are alike in some way.

    See how that works... again spend more time in English class instead of looking up old terms to appear smart and you may have figured it out.
    Different: Lead designer and quarterback
    Same in some way: Take the brunt of the blame even though its not solely their fault

    I realize these are the forums but try just a bit harder to not be an ass and try comprehend at least the basics of what people are saying instead of just spitting out unintelligible tripe because you saw it on a web site and thought the saying was cool.
    Ok pumpkin?

  4. #364
    Quote Originally Posted by jax View Post
    Maybe you should stop looking up Latin terms and try a bit of reading comprehension. No where did I blame him and say... "therefore its his fault."
    I said he was the front man and like all front men he is tied to the success or failure of the situation in question.
    So, you think he should be fired, even if it isn't his fault?

    There's a word for what you're being there: despicable.

    No one said he was the quarterback... it was an analogy...
    Yes, a bogus and stupid one.

    I realize these are the forums but try just a bit harder to not be an ass and try comprehend at least the basics of what people are saying instead of just spitting out .unintelligible tripe because you saw it on a web site and thought the saying was cool.
    Ok pumpkin?
    No comment.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  5. #365
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    Ghostcrawler is not the big boss of everything, and there is no way to prove that the loss of subscribers is due to him, not even one (and no, random complainers are not a prove). Hoping to "save the game" by firing him, with no real ground to base the sense of such an act, would be like change the pierced wheel of your car blinded, without even knowing if you're changing the right one.
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  6. #366
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Wouldn't that mean that the entire team of the games listed here:

    http://mmodata.net/

    ....need to be fired? Every single game listed has lost over 50% of their subs in less time. None of these games has reached the height of subs that WoW had or sustained over such a period of time. If you want to fire GC - what would you do to the ppl behind SWToR?

    Actually after over 8 years, WoW has more subs than all these games ever had at their peak.

    Just trying to offer a different angle here - maybe they actually gave GC a rise in pay?
    He deserves neither of those things. People don't leave MMO's because of a meme dislike paraded in forums, which a fraction of the subscription base even post in. The reasons for WoW's decline has been discussed ad nauseam, and it's why EVE is the only western sub MMO to grow since it's launch 10 years ago.

  7. #367
    Congratz GC 77% popularity at this time. For all the grief you take, apparently a HUGE majority of the community is behind you.

    Hang in there and keep on doing what you are doing

  8. #368
    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    In the east probably. Not in the west which is the market Blizzard focuses on.
    Right. The MMO market in NA and Europe is nowhere near as large as it is in Asia. The Asian market tends to thrive off of grindy games, so MMOs are a perfect fit (see also: Diablo's success in Asia).

    WoW was the right game at the right moment in the West, that's how it hit 12 million. I don't think anyone expected that to be sustainable, nor should they. 12 Million subs is a HUGE number in the west, where MMO games are still a small niche. A small niche that has been and is still absolutely dominated by WoW. That's inarguable.

  9. #369
    Quote Originally Posted by Marxman View Post
    WoW was the right game at the right moment in the West, that's how it hit 12 million.
    It never had anywhere close to 12 million in the west.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  10. #370
    Recently he might have made a few mistakes (with a couple of others), but I still like him as he does a lot of good things for the game too. I still got faith in him. If he should get replaced with a new talented person, than so should a couple of other employees who's making the decisions for/together with him.

  11. #371
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    Ghostcrawler is doing fine, but having 2 lead designers wouldn't hurt either x)
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  12. #372
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    Ghostcrawler is doing fine, but having 2 lead designers wouldn't hurt either x)
    He's the lead systems designer. There are other leads for other parts of the game.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  13. #373
    Huh...title to the thread and poll are different. No, I don't think he'll lose his position.

  14. #374
    Damn people saying he should be fired.
    Tell me a single thing he did that was wrong for everyone.

    I'm happy he doesn't listen to a bunch of whinny kids that are never happy.
    Like those angry pvp players crying h24 because they're bad and need to vent, tweeting him" how he sucks at designing the game and at balancing classes."
    Or those players complaining about "rep grind". Those guys have no idea what rep grind is.
    Vanilla , BC were ALL about grind , there was nothing else to do and it took a LOT of time compared to now. Yet they say vanilla and BC were better even though they apparently never played it.

    Mop is great, content wise it s by far the best expansion . PvP was never that balanced and PvE has never been that good.
    There's 8m players in the damn world. Indeed he can't make everyone happy but he's doing a great job.
    So chill and give him a rest.

  15. #375
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    Ghostcrawler is doing fine, but having 2 lead designers wouldn't hurt either x)
    GC is the lead designer of game mechanics related to classes, specs, races, talents, spells and all of that shit. Nothing more, nothing less. He has done his own job actually pretty well, as I douby anybody in his right mind would say the game balance is worse today than five years ago.

    There are plenty of other lead designers for quests, instances, lore, art, sound etc. And there's at least two people above GC in hierarchy when it comes to decision making in WoW, Frank Pearce who is credited as Executive Producer and Tom Chilton (Game Director).
    Never going to log into this garbage forum again as long as calling obvious troll obvious troll is the easiest way to get banned.
    Trolling should be.

  16. #376
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    GC's first raid he brought to wow when he was lead designer was ToC need i say any more. Take into consideration the previous raid before he took over was Ulduar which is definitely in the top 5 raids of all time. The game has been going down hill since the day he took over, he would have been gone mid way through Cata if i was his boss.

  17. #377
    I really hope he doesn't, always found him to be a very valuable member of the Wow team. Actually find this thread quite offending.

    However, I have to say this, the game suffers immeasurably from the current talent tree, it's an abomination. The talent tree in vanilla was superb. Christ why did they take so many great things away? It's not nostalgia (why people miss vanilla) - it's that we loved the game so much then and were robbed of *features* that made the game great and were given new features that completely made the game worse and

    we had no say in it?

    WTF.

    Blizzard. Stop. Killing. Game.

    What I would love about vanilla,

    Go into work 'hey I am going to swim up coast in x and see where i arrive, then see a group of players and hang out.'

    My realm is dead. As Horde I saw an alliance player maybe once a week.

    I play on a PVP server.

    There is nothing PVP about a realm that has 97% horde.

    Also, even if you balance realms and make this new change. We don't have any reason to go the world. you know, the title of the game, world of warcraft. You just sit in a city, push a button, lfd, lfr.. jesus.

    Blizzard made a world that is up there with Game of Thrones, Tolkien, and we all know it, it's truly magical and strong lore, hence why the game is alive today but in last 3-4 years, Blizzard forget one thing:

    We don't live in your new creations. We just push buttons mostly from capital cities you made in 2004. It's not us that are bathed in nostalgia, it's you forcing us to mc-donalds through your bad stuff.

    BTW the collector's WOTLK was good. I didn't love that exp as we were made to stand in dala after and ignore the whole amazing land they made but jesus blizz, after wotlk stuff started to dive,

    and you know what, if you are still reading, this is when Titan started.

    And they dumped it and now we have the best blizzcon wow ever coming.

    You will see.

  18. #378
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucarocks92 View Post
    GC's first raid he brought to wow when he was lead designer was ToC need i say any more.
    Yes you need to say more because that's one of the more idiotic arguments in this thread.

    GC does not design raids and never has. Not ToC nor anything else. He works on class balance, not instances.
    Never going to log into this garbage forum again as long as calling obvious troll obvious troll is the easiest way to get banned.
    Trolling should be.

  19. #379
    The problem here is that every player has their own opinion on the state of the game, ultimately it isn't Ghostcrawlers fault if some players hate the game, he is not responsible for everything which people need to understand.

    People outright blaming him for their precious game being ruined are idiotic and trying to point the finger at someone because time has moved on and the MMO landscape has changed.

  20. #380
    Personally I feel that most of GC's ideas are pretty solid. At least I'm assuming the ones he sometimes discusses on Twitter and in interviews are his, and not just him stating an opinion all the designers mull over together. Most of the problems I find in WOW aren't from changing class rotations or anything like that, but from different aspects of the game.

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