View Poll Results: Should Ghostcrawler be replaced as Lead Systems Designer?

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    526 22.73%
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    1,788 77.27%
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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by LordBalkoth View Post
    Who said I don't play anymore? I do play, even before that I paid off my annual pass. My contempt for MOP has not changed though. I consider it to be a failed expansion on many different levels and can't wait to see if another expansion can actually be interesting lore wise.
    Why can't you people quit the game and move on? There is ZERO reason to continue playing a game when you yourself have said you have contempt for it. Most of you whiners have completely lost touch with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destil View Post
    Why is it failed. Because it slowed the subscriber loss after Cataclysm?

    Honestly, the subscriber loss after Wrath was always coming. Wrath was the peak for the game. Blizzard fucked up royally during Cata and they lost more subscribers than they should have.

    This is where opinions differ, but when it comes to lore and MoP I think most people who hold contempt for Mists just hold it because they can't look past the Pandaren.

    Mists' story is some of the best story telling that has been implemented in the game since Wrath. I haven't been this interested since I first stepped foot into Borean Tundra.
    Anyone who was paying attention and noticed the 2 year stagnation of subscriptions during Wrath knew huge losses were coming. It should never have come as a surprise to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trogie View Post
    But Cata dungeons were never hard. Only people who are terrible at the game think they were. Which sadly is a large portion of the player base.

    I can't bring my self to do dungeons anymore. They are too easy and boring and content like that make me stop playing.
    LFD couldn't guarantee the appropriate group composition nor could they even guarantee those classes even having the right spec to handle those dungeons. It wasn't that players were bad it was the fact those dungeons were designed for premade groups not pugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstone View Post
    That is really interesting. I don't know that it's possible to bully Ghostcrawler. If anything, I think GC has done his own share of bullying, especially when he has the opportunity to feel intellectually superior. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel sorry for him. However, I do agree that in a lot of cases the abuse of video game developers goes much too far. Vesseblah, I think you're a supporter of Ghostcrawler and a more challenging version of WoW? It's important to remember that it was fan "bullying" that caused the successful Wrath model to be abandoned.
    GC has bullied no one. Again his job is to develop the game not hold your hand. If you wants certain feedback and notices certain lines of thought are preventing that he is going to shut it down immediately and get things back on track. People need to stop being butthurt over it and learn respect is a two way street. None of the harassment, insults and death threats against GC is justified and trying to defend it speaks volume about your own lack of character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcanasm View Post
    Although I agree strongly that GC gets lots of harassment -- and I've been trying not to scapegoat him, these days, for that reason -- he's volleyed some pretty barbed insults at players who pointed out inconsistencies in design policy. The most notorious example is referenced on this page: His post defending Cataclysm dungeon difficulty (this was roughly when I left Cata, i.e. Jan 2011). It was a thinly veiled "learn to play" dismissal at a player who said LFG was too hard -- and a pretty sad one, considering Cata dungeons were tuned so poorly in 4.0 that a single idiot could wreck them with 4 good players compensating.

    (edit) To be clear, I'm not trying to justify the harassment he gets. I am trying to say that no one should claim he's totally innocent of insulting and/or bad behavior.
    The thing is though he isn't inconsistent or at least not to the extent people claim. Case in point someone whined that the Readiness nerf for hunters made them feel less effective in certain situations and GC had to point out and remind them that was the entire point of the change. Maybe if players put a little thought into what GC says he would seem less "inconsistent". In all honesty many of the people attempting to discuss class balance with GC have extremely limited understanding of the issues involved and probably shouldn't even attempt to contribute because all they do is muddy the waters and perpetuate ignorance and misinformation. Again case in point, all the hunter QQ on the PTR forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    It most certainly did not and my hope is that the developers come to this conclusion as well. I remember towards the end of cataclysm just before mists came out their was a podcast interview with ghostcrawler where he basically spent the entire interview trash talking cataclysm and maintaining that "they got it" now and mists was the result of them "getting it". Mists is a COLOSSAL failure.
    Disliking design decisions doesn't make anything a failure. Mop addressed much of what people have complained about for years. Sorry you are still so butthurt over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inokungfu View Post
    I would love to know how many people who voted "no" has someone paying their subscription for them and how many that voted "yes" pays for their own subscription.
    Overall there have been great ideas in the last few expansions and there have been a lot of disappointment. I don't know what the right answer is but I miss a certain maturity, intelligence and sense of community that was the atmosphere of vanilla. The current content appeals to the instant gratification crowd. I don't think there's longevity in that direction.
    I think changes are going to happen and GC will be a part of that change.
    It is none of your fucking god damn business. Are you seriously implying only people who pay for their own subscription are the only ones who opinion matters? Who the fuck do you think you are? If this community has declined it is because of people like YOU.

  2. #502
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    Disliking design decisions doesn't make anything a failure. Mop addressed much of what people have complained about for years. Sorry you are still so butthurt over it.
    No, what's pushing MoP toward the "failure" bucket is the rate of loss of active accounts. Sure, the game is getting old and everything, but something is really not working well here.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler
    "Almost every time I have gotten to know a critic personally, they keep up with the criticism but lose the venom." -- Ghostcrawler
    I hate these casual Fridays ruining it for real Fridays.

  3. #503
    Quote Originally Posted by Elaris View Post
    If Wow continues to decline, Activision BLizzard will start scapegoating people, especially if the next expansion does poorly.

    How many heads will roll before his, I don't know.

    I don't like Ghostcrawler, but I don't play any more, so not that relevant.
    No one is getting fired. Mmos are sustainable even with lees than 500k subscriptions. Wow is doing incredibly well and far better than any other mmo that is at a similar age. As long as ATVI continues posting record profits and shareholders are happy, very little is going to be done about how Blizzard Entertainment is managed.

  4. #504
    i would vote yes for the countless idiotic things he has said showing he doesn't really understand the game as well as he should.
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  5. #505
    Quote Originally Posted by NigelGurney View Post
    So then. The decline is sub is nothing to do with Blizzard policies or design its purely because the game is old. There is no point in advertising - its just doesn't work that way. There was no way of Blizzard to keep people or at least slow the loss by making a product rewarding and interesting because people have changed.
    You'd better ring Blizzard quick and tell them they are wasting their time.

    You bias is so bad you have resorted to posting utter nonsense.
    Millions of players have quit for millions of reasons and I know this is hard to comprehend but many of those reason contradict each other and some of them don't even have anything to do with the design decisions made in Wow. I think it is you who is biased.

  6. #506
    I don't think it's really anyone's fault. The engine simply isn't flexible enough to provide a game that keeps up to par with current gen graphics, workflow, and new gameplay concepts. They do an excellent job at working with what they have, but the 10-year-old framework the game is built on is probably restricting their ability to be as agile with new concepts as they want to be.

    They're doing a great job at changing shit up in this xpac, specifically in the way we interact with the world. Cata failed pretty hardcore when it came to new mechanisms for delivering content (outside of the old world overhaul that really only targeted a small chunk of the playerbase.) There's more coming down the pipe to help break people out of the mold. I'm pretty optimistic about flex raiding from a casual standpoint, the tyranny of needing exactly 10 players to a raid will help less progressed guild build a core team, and encourage new blood to try something harder than LFR in a way that should be relatively drama-free.

    When it comes down to it, MoP has done a pretty good job at establishing new mechanics that, if blizzard is wise, will likely make the successor to MoP phenomenal when all these loosely implemented concepts have been perfected. (Item Upgrades, Weekly quests ala BFB, Dynamic events/sandbox zones ala Timeless isles, Omni-tappable rarespawns, individual loot, item upgrades)

    People give ghostcrawler too much credit. He's one man. he might have a big say in the mechanics and design, but ultimately, he's a mouthpiece. He has an entire staff of other people who all have some say in the design and development process. He isn't some divine being that says "Let there be LFR" and then there was LFR. The concept of LFR/LFD/Pet Battles/SomeOtherThingEveryoneLikesToBlameGCForThatCausedThemToUnsub was probably coined well in advance, and was likely pulled into the dev cycle because he and his team agreed that it would be a good addition to the game or a good solution for a pain point they were trying to solve.

  7. #507
    Quote Originally Posted by Madruga View Post
    Well, for all I know, WoW is nowadays in better shape than, pretty much, always. Yeah, classic and TBC lovers, I mean it. And it also has the most features it has always had.

    And Flex is actually needed for the game. There is a huge gap between LFR and Normal that too many people can't cross. Flex will do what LFR was suposed to, but failed... Be the replacement for popular 10 man raiding from WOLK era. Meaning, easier and relaxed guild and organized raiding. LFR is not guildy or organized and Normal is not easy or relaxed.

    So I don't see why anyone should be fired. For amking the game the best it has always been? Oh, please.
    What I find to be absolutely hilarious is that all the people who whine about flex raiding are generally the same people who have done nothing but bitch and whine about shared lockouts and the death of 10 man pug raiding that they enjoyed in Wrath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    No, what's pushing MoP toward the "failure" bucket is the rate of loss of active accounts. Sure, the game is getting old and everything, but something is really not working well here.
    Implying it is possible for any mmo to prevent subscription loss. That is a pretty ignorant comment especially for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspellz View Post
    i would vote yes for the countless idiotic things he has said showing he doesn't really understand the game as well as he should.
    Have any examples? I dare any of you armchair developers to put your money where your mouth is and demonstrate you know and understand wow better than anyone who was actually hired to develop for Wow. All of you are full of shit.

  8. #508
    I dont think he deserves to be fired...although I dont like the approach he takes to class balance (too many rushed decisions and huge changes at once) its far from the reason the game is losing subs. As far as general gameplay/quests/raids the game's in a pretty good spot. Look at all the stuff coming in 5.4 alone and tell me how much more can they do to appease the playerbase? The game is simply old

  9. #509
    it's not gonna happen but i'll be really happy if i don't hear of this hodor anymore . most annoying person ever

  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstone View Post
    I might be going ham on GC and forgetting his humanity. You're right. I feel kinda bad if I imagine him reading this and having hurt feelings. However, I just don't see GC--with the hubris he's displayed--being a person who would be particularly upset about negative feedback. He's even said himself that he laughs at the haters. He might be lying?
    I'm sure it affects him, whether or not he admits it publicly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arian-KH View Post
    it's not gonna happen but i'll be really happy if i don't hear of this hodor anymore . most annoying person ever
    Do not mock the Hodor >.<

  11. #511
    Quote Originally Posted by xanzul View Post
    He was right though. Maybe if healers had actually contributed more than whiny temper tantrums he would have had more to say and more importantly he would have possibly listened.
    Plenty of us pointed out that we enjoyed the "mana management" in vanilla or BC but not Cata, and explained why. But you've apparently decided anyone who has been vocal about not liking something in the game is a worthless human being who can do nothing but cry.

  12. #512
    its probly not GCs fault but a lot of the things he says make 0 sense.. trying to justify class buffs or debuffs when they clearly arent needed is lol... it leads me to believe he never actually looks at data and the casual player to see whether the nerfs or buffs would help everyone or totally destroy the spec at lower ilvls ( see mages/ fire below 520) .. the state of combat, / warriors/ boomkins/ ele shamans while trying to lvl up.

    he should really just try a more diplomatic approach even if his hands are tied, because coming off as a sarcastic asshole only works when you are correct 100% of the time.

  13. #513
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    Quote Originally Posted by announced View Post
    its probly not GCs fault but a lot of the things he says make 0 sense.. trying to justify class buffs or debuffs when they clearly arent needed is lol... it leads me to believe he never actually looks at data and the casual player to see whether the nerfs or buffs would help everyone or totally destroy the spec at lower ilvls ( see mages/ fire below 520) .. the state of combat, / warriors/ boomkins/ ele shamans while trying to lvl up.

    he should really just try a more diplomatic approach even if his hands are tied, because coming off as a sarcastic asshole only works when you are correct 100% of the time.
    It's easy to sit there and be like "I dont' like what he said. He's an asshole.". When you're waay too invested in something. But you need to remember, most of what people say on the internet is 100% exaggerated. So what someone says about someone else when they're pissed off, usually isnt' true. If I were him, I wouldn't even be on twitter. He doesn't have to do that. But he does it. And people still want to be little pussy bitches about it.

  14. #514
    Ofc he will, the last guy did and so will the next guy.

  15. #515
    Quote Originally Posted by rebecca191 View Post
    Plenty of us pointed out that we enjoyed the "mana management" in vanilla or BC but not Cata, and explained why. But you've apparently decided anyone who has been vocal about not liking something in the game is a worthless human being who can do nothing but cry.
    Mana management in vanilla and TBC was downranking and healer rotations, none of which were particularily fun or interesting mechanics. It required no skill whatsoever to pick a correct rank spell or if you're healing or wanding to regain mana from spreadsheet or addon for a fight of x minutes long which guaranteed you'll never go OOM even if you press that button on every GCD. No matter how much healers whine or cry to get that back and they loved it would not have made a lick of difference because it was totally unbearable situation from game design point of view and a dead-end evolutionary path.

    The idea between Cata's revamp where you had to think which button to press with variable incoming damage patterns worked great first few tiers and actually required some skill from healers, it just turned into mindless spam due to gear scaling later and today is more or less just smart heals, absorptions and raid cooldowns.

    You can be sure there's gonna be another big revamp in next expansion too that tries to break the scaling problem, just like talent revamp required few iterations and expansions to get it right.
    Last edited by vesseblah; 2013-08-23 at 07:51 AM.
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    Trolling should be.

  16. #516
    it doesn't need to be game-reasons what counts towards someone being succesfull or not.
    Blizzard is company and from it's point of view something is utterly wrong at the moment, as since Cata wow is losing subs consistently (except for 1 quarter).
    No company will just go on without any change when they are losing their source of income every quarter......

    With this I am not saying that GC should loose his job... as he is not alone in developing wow but from blizzard's point of view something has to be done.
    During Cata the bleeding stopped when 4.3 hit live..... something was there which caused the losses to stop. After that it started again and except for that 1 quarter, Blizzard is loosing customers each and every quarter.

    I know people are saying that the playerbase is too diverse for Blizzard for keeping everyone happy.. but still 12.000.000 million players where playing this game at the same time and enjoying it together..... I think Blizzard needs to find that magic formula again.

    I don't know how long they will go on bleeding subs before big decisions are made... but at some point they can't avoid it.
    This doesn't mean GC should go... but changes must be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    No, what's pushing MoP toward the "failure" bucket is the rate of loss of active accounts. Sure, the game is getting old and everything, but something is really not working well here.
    I unsubscribed a couple of days ago, what's not working for me is it's turning into World of Queuecraft, it's like all I do is log on do my LFR (which really isn't enjoyable for me due to the people in it), Heroic Scenario (10 mins tops), log off until raid nights, do my raid and if I do come on between any of that I usually just sit in Shrine bored.

    Personally I think between queuing for everything, the streamlining, and making it easy to blow through content has severely damaged the game beyond repair.
    "Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one who inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it." - Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdie View Post
    going to have to agree, I love TBC but its over with now so move on
    Here here

    I dont think/hope not get fired.

    Every class nerf, gc hate's us, every class buff, omg gc rerolled

  19. #519
    If he has not been let go by now means he is a permanent fixture.

    If you think about it, he has absolved himself and his department of any repercussions for their mistakes and placed the burden of dealing with them on the player base with the use of an easy out button called a nerf, he can quite literally do no wrong.
    Last edited by Cobaltius; 2013-08-23 at 10:16 AM.

  20. #520
    I really hope he does the decisions taken during the expansion has been increasingly stupid.

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