Thread: T16 bis list?

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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusk View Post
    Have anyone simmed the trinkets?
    Does anyone know how big of a difference it is between Ticking Ebon Detonator HC and Haromm's Talisman HC?
    For BM, Haromm's is only ~500-1k dps loss if I remember correctly.

    Hah, just read the actual post on the same page

    Quote Originally Posted by Effinhunter View Post
    As I've noted on the EJ BM guide comments, the Ebon Detonator is about 500 dps above Haromm's in the simulators for BM. However, if you plan on switching to SV at any point, Ebon is really mediocre for SV (especially in comparison to Haromm's). Equipping Haromm's over Ebon will net you over 7300 dps gain in SV. Meanwhile, Ebon only gains you 500 dps over using Haromm's in the equivalent profile for BM. If you are going to prioritize coin or loot cooldown usage, I would try to take Haromm's over Ebon.

    On a related note about weird news from simming 5.4 hunter dps, it appears that for SV, FD is modeling Powershot as a significant dps gain over Glaive Toss (~5k dps), especially with Haromm's. Multistrike pairs very well with this powerful shot in simulation.

    Additionally, for SV, the Reserve Bow is BiS by ~6k dps over the Hand Cannon, because of how poorly SV scales with mastery. For BM FD sims, the Hand Cannon is slightly ahead of the Reserve Bow (~500 dps). For this reason, the Reserve Bow is best for people who want to switch between BM and SV.
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    I've heard that maybe Mastery will surpass Haste when we're full BiS as BM/Surv, which would explain why sims are putting crit / mastery gear ahead of crit / haste maybe?

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    Bit confused with this...some people saying that malkoroks bracers are better...others blackfuse.

    I have both, from flex, wondering which ones are really BiS, thanks
    (Only doing flex this tier)

  4. #84
    I've ran a lot of sims, before the toth fix on simc and after.

    Haromm is the better option with assurance when you are playing SV.
    Ticking is the better option with assurance when you are playing BM.

    The reasoning is pretty straight forward due to the majority of our damage as SV benefits from Haromm.
    As for BM not even half our damage benefits from the haromm trinket, so ticking is better for BM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikashuri View Post
    I've ran a lot of sims, before the toth fix on simc and after.

    Haromm is the better option with assurance when you are playing SV.
    Ticking is the better option with assurance when you are playing BM.

    The reasoning is pretty straight forward due to the majority of our damage as SV benefits from Haromm.
    As for BM not even half our damage benefits from the haromm trinket, so ticking is better for BM.
    You sure about that? cuz Haromm still shows around 5% of dmg for me as BM and Survival, is not a bad proc either, if you don't get a lucky proc from TED and happen just as Kill command comes off cd, you ended up loosing the best part of the proc, I don't really see the Improvement of having TED over Haromms, and with my gear, it Sims lower as well, Idk at BiS gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiraishin View Post
    You sure about that? cuz Haromm still shows around 5% of dmg for me as BM and Survival
    The damage percentage will look exactly the same for all three specs. The amount of damage it added will be different when you add in pet/guardian damage. Not sure if you were aware of it or if was just an oversight, but I can't seem to find a way to make Haromms be equal for Beast Mastery and Survival in terms of the multistrike proc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovan View Post
    The damage percentage will look exactly the same for all three specs. The amount of damage it added will be different when you add in pet/guardian damage. Not sure if you were aware of it or if was just an oversight, but I can't seem to find a way to make Haromms be equal for Beast Mastery and Survival in terms of the multistrike proc.
    Oh I missed that, you're right my bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovan View Post
    The damage percentage will look exactly the same for all three specs. The amount of damage it added will be different when you add in pet/guardian damage. Not sure if you were aware of it or if was just an oversight, but I can't seem to find a way to make Haromms be equal for Beast Mastery and Survival in terms of the multistrike proc.
    while the pasive may not be that great for BM (just because KC cant proc it and how LnL works) but the proc is much better. if i could chose i will take haroms even tho i play bm most of the time, im done with RPPM specially 1 that can go wasted like TED.

    you can plan your BW with haroms, u cant with TED. on other hand the mastery on ted is crucial to make this trinket better for BM. nothing else, the mastery on a heroic trinket like ted is around (2211) 7% more mastery, if you reforge that to crit it will still be around 3% more pet damage wich still quite good. the proc is totally garbage other than the opener. wich in some fights (shamans) is going to favor a lot TED over haroms.

    if i could choose my trinkets i will still take AOC+Haroms even for BM. i will take the 500 or 1k diference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jinsu View Post
    its actually really disappointing that our bows drop off the last two encounters.
    Let's have all our loot drop from hc immerseus

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    Our BiS bow does drop off paragons, but there are so many options in the mean time. Protectors, Galakras, Malkorok. They will still be huge dps upgrades for anyone not using a heroic bow. Also, Black Blood of Ysharrj, off garrosh. Feel bad for int casters.

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    Over 3 full clears in normal and been doing flex every week. A bow refuses to drop for me. Not to mention all those wasted coins/ But hey at least I got ebon detonator and 4p pretty fast so it's not all bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orcindauh View Post
    Over 3 full clears in normal and been doing flex every week. A bow refuses to drop for me. Not to mention all those wasted coins/ But hey at least I got ebon detonator and 4p pretty fast so it's not all bad.
    It sucks when I look at my gear, 566 ilvl with 530 bracers and I finally got the BoA from garrosh(first boa my 10m has seen, and we've been killing it since week 1).. too bad it was flex, can't hate on the 2 red sockets coming from heroic tot bow.
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    Farming the place on 25man since week one, got 2set last Tuesday and aoc last Wednesday. Atleast I have my weapon.

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