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    Sha Crystal supply might be reduced a bit, as some items will no longer disenchant into a crystal, but a fragment of one instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    Sha Crystal supply might be reduced a bit, as some items will no longer disenchant into a crystal, but a fragment of one instead.
    Pvp craftables will DE into 1 fragment, 3 fragments makes a crystal

    this alone will blow up the price of Sha Crystals and the daily CD will be useless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destard View Post
    Pvp craftables will DE into 1 fragment, 3 fragments makes a crystal

    this alone will blow up the price of Sha Crystals and the daily CD will be useless
    Yep. 1 PvP piece = 4 bolts = 1 fragment, which means 1 Sha Crystal will take 12 bolts, for unlimited production.

    Right now you need 20 bolts = 5 Ethereal Shard (not counting procs from Bountiful bags) = 1 Sha Crytal, only once a day.

    Not sure why they'd screw over the stable market like this and flood it with Sha Crystals that aren't in demand much anyway (only bracers and weapons).

    And breaking down the Crystals into base mats isn't profitable either from what I can see.

    Crappy change. =/

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    Quote Originally Posted by xskarma View Post
    Yep. 1 PvP piece = 4 bolts = 1 fragment, which means 1 Sha Crystal will take 12 bolts, for unlimited production.
    I thought that is only for new Recipes which cost 6 to 8 Bolts, so depending on your Luck you need 90 to 120 Windwool Cloth for one Sha Crystal. It's not super effective.
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    1 Sha for 90 Cloth is enough to keep the price below 100g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Destard View Post
    1 Sha for 90 Cloth is enough to keep the price below 100g

    If its 1 crystal for 90 cloth then your assuming the price for cloth would be only just over a 1 gold a piece.

    Cloth is more than that now on my server. And with the decrease of dailies. And no 5 mans coming. I dont see a huge on slaught of supply of cloth being available. If cloth stays around 2-4g a piece like it is now on my server than crystals would cost 250-400g to make the way you are describing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fincher View Post
    I thought that is only for new Recipes which cost 6 to 8 Bolts, so depending on your Luck you need 90 to 120 Windwool Cloth for one Sha Crystal. It's not super effective.
    Ah, yes silly me. I was assuming they would stay at the same cloth cost.

    Still, even with 6 bolts for the cheapest option, that's a reduction of 2 bolts per Sha Crystal & you can do this as often as you want (once you get a cheap enough recipe).

    It's still going to flood the market with as many crystals as people have a demand for, all at a cheaper price then currently.

    Not saying it's an ideal way to make gold, but the only thing this particualr change does is drive up the cost of cloth at the expense of Sha Crystal prices. (and cloth allready got a boost because of the new cooldown needing 10 bolts every day)

    I see no valid reason why Blizz made the PvP gear turn into Crystal fragments, it's not even epic gear for crying out loud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgwilly31 View Post
    If its 1 crystal for 90 cloth then your assuming the price for cloth would be only just over a 1 gold a piece.

    Cloth is more than that now on my server. And with the decrease of dailies. And no 5 mans coming. I dont see a huge on slaught of supply of cloth being available. If cloth stays around 2-4g a piece like it is now on my server than crystals would cost 250-400g to make the way you are describing.
    it's 78s/cloth on my server ^^
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    I would say because they're introducing new crafted gear, you'll need to save up Trillium bars, Magnificent leather and Windwool or Imperial silk cloth..the prices of first AH sold items are crazy!

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    We get that Auroraah but it would be interesting to know which of the Items you listed will see the biggest rise
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgwilly31 View Post
    yes i saw this as well. But im not sure your point. All this is going to do is give people something to blow there JP on. And most wont even bother with it.

    if anything i think it cud be a nerf to the SHA crystals in the game. Former epic that used to drop a full crystal will now only DE into a fragment.

    Im not convinced this is going to kill the crystal market. And i certainly dont think 50-60g. That would have to make etheral shards like 8g a piece.
    Any serious money maker will not be buying those JP items for DE anyway, you still get more profit from converting your JP to HP and buying the 1250 pvp pieces to get a full Crystal. So I am not seeing how this will affect the Crystal prices at all, especially since they will naturally rise due to high demand on 4 different difficulties worth of gear to enchant.

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    enchanting mats are anyway too cheap in this expansion, gear should be always worth DE instead of vendoring but on my server the vendor price on greens is almost 3 times the best price i can get from DE with the guild perk (a bit better on weapons due to higher essence drop rate, but still not worth DE)
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    Gems galore! Everyone will need gems!

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    more like buy every Ore when they're mid/low to keep the quantity much below average and see the price of gems skyrocketing the first week due to missing mats for engineering mount and blacksmith PvP gear discovery/craft (not a lot from gems, most of AH JCs are already stocked as fuck)
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    The stocking plan I'm working on right now:
    (when I use the term popular/sells a lot and things like that I'm basing that on my own sell data from this expansion combined with: http://www.wowpopular.com/ )

    Gems:
    1 - 2 guild bank tabs full of uncut rare gems. I'm at almost one full tab right now, just need a few more. How far I get on the second one depends on when the patch is released.
    A day or two before patch I will precraft 2-3 stacks of each of the best selling gems and maybe 1 stack of each of the medium selling gems. Then restock from the stockpile whenever the cut ones run out.

    Cloth
    One guild bank tab full of Bolts of Windwool cloth. Right now I'm about 75-80% done filling that tab. Will use them for the new tailing cd, the new tailoring pvp gear and maybe to get more enchanting mats if needed.

    Bars
    One guild bank tab full of Ghost iron bars. Will use does to craft the new bs pvpgear and to transmute trillium bars if needed.

    Golden Lotus
    Would like to get a guild bank tab full, but will end up with only a 25 - 50% filled tab, since I use some and the price on my server is often over my buying limit. Will use does to transmute more of the gems that I run out of.

    Enchants
    I will have 2 stacks of each enchant that a lot of people use and I will have one stack of every "medium" enchant ready for the patch (including the once from Inscription and Tailoring, but excluding Leatherworking).

    What I'm missing out on
    If the day had 48 hours instead of 24 I would probably had the time to complement the list with:
    Magnificent Hide - for the new LW CD and the new crafted LW gear.
    Trillium ore - price will go up with the new BS cd and the increased demand of living steel.
    Living steel - will go up a lot in value with the new crafted mount, new gear crafts and increase demand of belt buckets and weapon chains.
    Glyph Mats - a lot of new glyphs will come with 5.4, new glyphs = high price and demand.
    Flasks and pots - new raid content = huge demand for flasks and pots on active servers.

    Remember
    That there is a lot of things that will increase demands later on in the patch compare to the first week:
    New pvpseason doesn't start until second week.
    Raid finder doesn't open until second week. And only the first wing will open the second week, the rest of the wings will open with a new wing each week.
    Only first wing of Flex will be open first week, the rest will gated the same way as raid finder.

    Always make gold, but on a lot of servers the price won't peek during the first week or two.
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    I believe Pandaland Enchants Prizes ill go up because All Heirlooms can now be enchanted with Pandaland Enchants and for some other reasons.
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    not that much outside PvP servers, the request of leveling/twink enchants for 1 month is lower than the request of raid/pvp enchants in a single day
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    I have like 6 tabs worth of Windwool Cloth and 200 Trillium Bars, hoping they'll be useful with the patch because cloth is junk right now, went from 40g a stack a month or two ago to 20g a stack and the price of Shards dropped 8g. I'm not good at this junk at all, lol.

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    cloth will get huge increase in price
    the new daily require 10 cloth the pvp armor pieces require certain amount of cloth
    and you can de them to make sha crystals so i assume the cloth price will be around 24 bolts for sha crystal more or less
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