Need feedback on build

[Ven0xis]

So I decided to wander off on my own, and make a desktop. I did have some issues in the beginning but I have figured them out more or less and I wont be able to test it to its full ability until I raid tonight (WoW). This rig is mainly built for World Of Warcraft, tell me where I could have saved money and swapped it out for other parts.

FX 6300 (6 Core) AMD CPU
GTX 760 - MSI Twin Frozr
8 Gig - Ripjaw 1600mhz DDR3 Ram
1TB - Black Caviar HDD
ASUS M5A78L-M LX - Motherboard (Micro ATX)
Corsair 750w Modular PSU - Originally was 500 watt but did not pull its weight
Cooler Master CMP 350 Case

I know the recommendation was to go for Intel and returning the GPU/CPU/MOBO is still up in the air just need your recommendations

Primary Games; WoW, Sc2, DOTA 2, CS:GO

[chazus]

Usually the forum is not fond of "How well will this thing I already bought play", since.. You know. you can just play it and find out.

That said, if it's just for WoW... You should have gone intel. I'm not sure how a "500w" did not pull its weight. I'd swap out the CPU, Board, PSU, and probably even drop the 760 for a 660 if its mainly for WoW.

[Ven0xis]

WoW really, thats quite a few swaps, I was told I had poor FPS because the 500 watt PSU was not enough for the GpU

I just did my calculations and, If i swap out the CPU, Mobo, GPU and PSU (I have a spare 500w) I can get a i5 4670k + 660 GTX EVGA Superclocked and a 100 Asus Mobo. Good swap out?

EDIT: Fixed 4670k

[chazus]

That setup is marginally better than mine (3570K@4.5ghz + 660) And I run on effectively Ultra and get ~50-55fps more often than not.

To be clear, the Corsair 750 isnt bad, it's probably just more expensive than it needs to be. If you have a spare 500w, make sure its a GOOD one, and not some janky chinese bread company. What parts are you looking at exactly?

[tielknight]

WoW really, thats quite a few swaps, I was told I had poor FPS because the 500 watt PSU was not enough for the GpU

I just did my calculations and, If i swap out the CPU, Mobo, GPU and PSU (I have a spare 500w) I can get a i5 4670k + 660 GTX EVGA Superclocked and a 100 Asus Mobo. Good swap out?

EDIT: Fixed 4670k

Who told you that it as the PSU that was causing the poor FPS?

You either got lied to about the PSU or it was a cheap-ass $10 PSU's that will drop dead if you breath on it too hard. A GTX 760 will use about 160w at max load. A general rule of thumb is to NEVER skimp out on the one component(the PSU) that is keeping everything else alive and kicking.

Any decent 500w PSU(80+bronze rated or higher) should have been able to handle it just fine and leave room for overclocking the CPU.

That swap will likely run WoW alot better due to the much better processor. WoW is insanely CPU-dependant and Intel CPU's just trash AMD in WoW. You could also get a Caviar blue instead of black and save yourself a few extra $$.
You can also grab a GTX 660ti for ~$220(about ~$30 more than the 660) if you get it while it's on sale.

[Ven0xis]

The PSU is the one included in my case, the case is a CMP 350 (Cooler Master) so the PSU itself may not be very good, but I literally saw 0 improvement after the swap

EDIT: Its this guy
http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=025947

but his 500w buddy

[BergErr]

I would also have swapped to a intel system and clock it to 4.3Ghz~ (WoW is all about the CPU speed, more cores dont help).

500w is enough for any single gpu system, though it has to be a decent one.

But why ask for help after u bought it. Old games (and mmos in general) that favor fast single/dualcore will run better on intel (Sandybridge - haswell atleast).

[Ven0xis]

Because after all the recommendations I received on this forum and from "pros" who work at the store, this wasnt living up to the cash point if you know what I mean

[tielknight]

The PSU is the one included in my case, the case is a CMP 350 (Cooler Master) so the PSU itself may not be very good, but I literally saw 0 improvement after the swap

EDIT: Its this guy
http://www.canadacomputers.com/produ...item_id=025947

but his 500w buddy

A quick googling shows people constantly telling others to stay away from Coolermaster PSU's because they don't output anywhere near what they state it should and I saw one review on amazon of a guy who was gaming for about 3 hours and the PSU blew out on him.

A PSU like this one would be plenty(assuming your in canada, if not, here is a decent one in the US).

[Ven0xis]

I was trying to save a bit of cash on the PSU, will it work temporarily even if its like for 15 days until I get paid

[tielknight]

It should work yes, though I would try not to stress the system very much(lower ingame settings to keep the GPU from sucking up too much power or whatnot) in the meantime if it is already causing problems and risk it taking a dirt nap.

Though it shouldn't be causing that much of a problem in the first place unless something is faulty or something else is wrong.

[Deleted]

I basically got a bunch of good advice but decided to ignore it and go in the opposite direction and now I'm looking for advice again

How do you think that'll be received?

Either way good luck getting what you want.

[Ven0xis]

I got advice from the forum then a specialist at the store, it looks like the people in the store dont know what the fuck they are talking about and thus im back to the forum, thank you for all of your inputs

@tielknight I dont intend to stress the system, no OC no shenanigans, its a regular board + 8 gigs of ram + 1 HDD + 1 CPU + 1 GPU and an optical drive

[tielknight]

I basically got a bunch of good advice but decided to ignore it and go in the opposite direction and now I'm looking for advice again

How do you think that'll be received?

Either way good luck getting what you want.

If they went to a store and got fast-talked by a salesman than I can give them some leeway, they can be tricky bastards and will fudge the truth to get a sale. Now if they knew what they needed to get and ended up listening to them instead, then we got a problem thats a bit bigger than the PSU but thats normal gullibility for ya :P

edit: By stress the system I meant playing games & max settings and causing the GPU to ramp up to 100% or anything like that which would cause a bigger draw from the PSU.

[Ven0xis]

Yes I was hoping to save cash, yes I was willing to have lower performance, but this is just insane, an extra 100$ or so is going to make that much of a difference?

EDIT: I may play WoW at max is the PSU poops its pants ill just go buy another one

[Deleted]

I got advice from the forum then a specialist at the store, it looks like the people in the store dont know what the fuck they are talking about and thus im back to the forum, thank you for all of your inputs

@tielknight I dont intend to stress the system, no OC no shenanigans, its a regular board + 8 gigs of ram + 1 HDD + 1 CPU + 1 GPU and an optical drive

8 out 10 (I'm being nice) of those "specialists" are in those stores for one thing and one thing only, selling you as much as possible. We give you and other advice for free and have no agenda, just like we benefit from advice from others. It's not like you haven't had plenty of threads with good advice but I'm sorry the store "specialist" was so convincing.

It's not a terrible system at all it's just too bad you could have gotten better stuff for your money.

[tielknight]

Yes I was hoping to save cash, yes I was willing to have lower performance, but this is just insane, an extra 100$ or so is going to make that much of a difference?

EDIT: I may play WoW at max is the PSU poops its pants ill just go buy another one

When it comes to WoW, yes. WoW and AMD hate each-other in terms of performance(CPU wise) so if that is a main game choice than you best be getting Intel until AMD catches up in that department.

You can turn down most settings a notch or two and barely notice any difference in the look of the game. And if your willing to risk running on max and it crapping out and having to get a new one, why not just get one now?

sidenote: Ask a "specialist" what the difference between a i5/i7 is and see what their response is. If the first thing out of their mouth isn't hyperthreading than you should just leave as that is the major difference between the two and they SHOULD know that.

[chazus]

Having worked in both tech, and retail, yeah. It's -VERY- rare to get a salesman who sells you purely what you need. The builds we put on here are optimized for budget, and probably are bad for the economy. The best parts for the budget get lower actual profit. A Sabertooth board, no matter how good it is, probably brings in more profit than a normal board. If we convince you to get a normal board over the Sabertooth, we literally just took money away from Asus.

At a store, his job is to make money, and if he sells you the best part for your needs, he's literally nicking a few bucks out of his paycheck. More often than not, I'm on the repair end of the counter, so I can recommend cheapie parts because there are labor costs involved. I have gotten in trouble a number of times at jobs in the past for recommending what people need, or 'should get', as opposed to 'what should be sold'.

Not only that, but I wouldn't be surprised if even a 'sales expert' might not know the influence IPC and whatnot has on certain games. They may merely be trained in "Bigger clocks = bigger fps", or that price is linear to performance.

[Deleted]

WoW really, thats quite a few swaps, I was told I had poor FPS because the 500 watt PSU was not enough for the GpU

I just did my calculations and, If i swap out the CPU, Mobo, GPU and PSU (I have a spare 500w) I can get a i5 4670k + 660 GTX EVGA Superclocked and a 100 Asus Mobo. Good swap out?

EDIT: Fixed 4670k

If your PSU couldn't handle the GPU your system would crash....

[procne]

http://www.coolermaster.com/product/...r/cmp-350.html states that the case supports coolers up to 155mm. It may be hard to get proper cooling to overclock 4670k then. Not sure if liquid cooler would be compatible with the case.