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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Some correction.

    The night elves held some of the legion back, but they didn't hold out on there own. They ended up having the tauren and the earthen join them. They were also assisted by the dragon aspects and the demi gods of azeroth, so saying the night elves did it alone is bs.

    Medivh was obviously smart enough to know how strong the legion would be, and saw the horde as a force on par with the alliance. A character who looked beyond the restrictions of faction for the greater good.
    Let's be honest, the Night Elves, the dragons, and the demi-gods did most of the work in the war of the ancients. And regardless, it has nothing to do with the fact that Azeroth was able to repel the Legion's invasion without any help from the orcs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    .. Story that without would have no substance in this white knight and elf sausage fest without.

    Sometimes, I think you forget how boring the alliance is without the horde.
    Because Blizzard is bad at writing Alliance storyline.
    That's why is' also boring with the Horde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Some correction.

    The night elves held some of the legion back, but they didn't hold out on there own. They ended up having the tauren and the earthen join them. They were also assisted by the dragon aspects and the demi gods of azeroth, so saying the night elves did it alone is bs.

    Medivh was obviously smart enough to know how strong the legion would be, and saw the horde as a force on par with the alliance. A character who looked beyond the restrictions of faction for the greater good.

    Out of all the races in azeroth he goes to orcs who have half their people imprisoned, who has no land or any good army . Points them to their destiny. And even then they move around destroying azeroth's chances against the legion. Murlocs would make better allies.

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    Black Morass, Caverns of Time. As well as Assault on Durnhold Keep, Caverns of Time, to a lesser extent. The argument is what the infinite dragonflight speak, and what the bronze dragonflight state. Its the lesser of two evils. (It makes me think of whom the infinite are, because of Murozond in End Time. Are they simply the thoughts of the bronze dragonflight thinking what if...? Some lore fanatic has the answer.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cenkiss View Post
    Out of all the races in azeroth he goes to orcs who have half their people imprisoned, who has no land or any good army . Points them to their destiny. And even then they move around destroying azeroth's chances against the legion. Murlocs would make better allies.
    So recruiting the tauren and trolls didn't help fight against the legion in your mind.. even when the tauren faught against the legion thousends of years prior.

    I can't decide if your logics on par with swiss cheese or a wet paper bag.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    .. Story that without would have no substance in this white knight and elf sausage fest without.

    Sometimes, I think you forget how boring the alliance is without the horde.
    All the original horde did was adding 2 or 3 more races into the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Because Blizzard is bad at writing Alliance storyline.
    That's why is' also boring with the Horde.
    Wait, now Blizzard is bad because how they wrote the RTS story?

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    Azeroth would be wiped out 10000 years ago because Broxigar wouldn't be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b2121945 View Post
    Azeroth would be wiped out 10000 years ago because Broxigar wouldn't be there.
    Actually.. yes, thats very much it. Any argment against the orcs coming to azeroth is made null and void by pure matter of fact an orc, who if not being on azeroth, would not have been sent back in time, so would not have given the enchanted axe, and who would not have thrown himself into the well of eternity to keep the legion at bay long enough for the rest to close the portal.
    There wasn't anyone else who did something that crazy, so yes, as a paradox, the orcs had to come to azeroth, otherwise there would be no azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Actually.. yes, thats very much it. Any argment against the orcs coming to azeroth is made null and void by pure matter of fact an orc, who if not being on azeroth, would not have been sent back in time, so would not have given the enchanted axe, and who would not have thrown himself into the well of eternity to keep the legion at bay long enough for the rest to close the portal.
    There wasn't anyone else who did something that crazy, so yes, as a paradox, the orcs had to come to azeroth, otherwise there would be no azeroth.
    That bit is pretty dumb. Yeah Broxigar did it, but that implies in some universe the Legion lost there without him involved, leading to Broxigar to begin with, because if they won, he would not exist. At least not as we know it, because the first, second, and third war would not have happened, since the Legion wouldn't have needed to use the Orcs.

    God I hate time travel in stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuffs View Post
    That bit is pretty dumb. Yeah Broxigar did it, but that implies in some universe the Legion lost there without him involved, leading to Broxigar to begin with, because if they won, he would not exist. At least not as we know it, because the first, second, and third war would not have happened, since the Legion wouldn't have needed to use the Orcs.

    God I hate time travel in stories.
    You mean if Broxigar destroyed the legion it would have meant the legion wouldn't have been able to corrupt the orcs to begin with.

    Fact was, he didn't, he just killed countless demons from what was an infinite source, and held Sargeras off long enough for the portal to be closed. That didn't destroy the legion, it just meant it took them a very long time to return to azeroth, and before that, they found draenor. Kil'jaeden was the one who corrupted the orcs, not sargeras, so certain details didn't quite come together, but really it all gels up.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    You mean if Broxigar destroyed the legion it would have meant the legion wouldn't have been able to corrupt the orcs to begin with.
    I'm saying they needed to create a time line where he existed to begin with, where he did not exist. They sent a copy of him back in time, but that requires a time line to have existed that allowed his existence. It's a giant circular loop, worse than chicken or the egg.

    There had to have been a "root" timeline, starting at the bottom of this, before there was a copy of him to send back. Without him, either he wasn't make or break, or the Legion would have one if he was necessary.

    I just wish any and all time travel was non canon if the span was greater than a month or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuxieDK View Post
    The destructive Night Elves would eventually have found a way to destroy the whole planet...
    rofl right, the night elves keeping the planet safe for 10000 years following the Highborne's attempt to murder them all. Spoken like a clueless horde fanboi making up their own BS.
    The racist Humans would have wiped out all dwarves and gnomes..
    right, because humans hate the murdering filth orcs who tried to wipe them out in their own homes, they are racists. Dwarves, Humans and Gnomes would be getting along fine, annihilating the last vestiges of disgusting retard trolls from the eastern kingdoms.
    Worgen would not exist..
    They've existed since the war of the satyr. 7000 years prior to the third war.

    On Draenor, Orcs would have wiped Draenai off the face of the planet, in a combination of boredom and bloodlust..
    and then turn on each other, removing the biggest bunch of filth ever to exist from the world of warcraft.
    Disgusting garbage forsaken would never exist.
    Filthy cannibal shit trolls would've destroyed themselves after pissing all their loa off.
    Blood Elves wouldn't exist because the High Elves wouldn't find themselves falling into depravity.

    The world would be much better without any horde race upon it. But there wouldn't be much of a game to play with the world at peace and harmony.
    If it's not an elf, leave it on the shelf.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Endre View Post
    Lordaeron would stand allied with Quel'Thalas who might get help from Dalaran, but they would probably stay away for as long as they could. Stormwind would want to make all the human nations bow before them since they were the mightiest.
    I could be wrong but I always got the impression Lordaeron was the strongest nation. It's referred to as the capital city of the Alliance. The humans had city-states and each had its own little region. But in addition to Tirisfall, Lordaeron's dominion was every part of Lordaeron, hillsbrad, the plaguelands, silverpine, etc. except the other cities and their immediate zones (Alterac and its mountains, Stromguard and Arathi, Gilneas and Gilneas, and Dalaran).

    Stormwind is the nation of Azeroth. I don't think it could control the northern kingdoms if it wanted to, it's pretty isolated in the south with all the dwarves in between

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    Elune wouldn't have just sat on the sideline's if Azeroth was going to be destroyed by an invading army, she would've created a impenetrable barrier around the world tree and or/ night elf army allowing them to conquer the legion.
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    There would be no azeroth because Borixigar wouldn't have saved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    rofl right, the night elves keeping the planet safe for 10000 years following the Highborne's attempt to murder them all. Spoken like a clueless horde fanboi making up their own BS.
    Your squeaky clean Night elves have a lot to answer for, there not the so called peacekeepers long ago. read the ingame book :Empires fall

    Aside from their shadowy origins, it is clear that the Night Elves came to power soon after their discovery of the Well of Eternity. Despite the trolls' attempts to keep them from expanding their territories, the Night Elves built up a mighty empire that expanded rapidly across primordial Kalimdor. Wielding fierce magics never before imagined by the superstitious trolls, the night elves had little trouble doing what the evil Aqir could never do: topple the two greatest empires in the world.
    The night elves systematically dismantled the troll's defenses and supply chains. The trolls, unable to counter the elves' destructive magics, buckled under the onslaught. The night elves proved to every bit as cunning and bloodthirsty as the savage trolls - incurring the latter race's eternal hatred and disdain. The Gurubashi and Amani Empires fragmented within only a few short years.
    Eventually, the night elves were burned by the arcane fires they had sought to control. Their reckless use of magic had lured the demonic Burning Legion to the world. The demons crushed much of the night elves' civilization. Though there are no records to indicate that the Legion attacked either troll civilization, it is likely that battles took place across the breadth of the continent.

    At the end of this terrible conflict - known as the War of the Ancients - the Well of Eternity imploded. The resulting shockwave shattered the greater landmass of Kalimdor. The center of the continent was blasted beneath the sea, leaving only a small group of broken, single continents.
    Thus, great chunks of both the Amani and Gurubashi Empires still exist in the present day lands of Quel'Thalas and Stranglethorn Vale (respectively). The Azj'Aqir kingdoms of Azjol-Nerub and Ahn'Qiraj have also survived in present day Northrend and Tanaris (respectively).
    Both troll civilizations recoiled from the vast destruction of the primordial world they had known. The dauntless trolls rebuilt their ravaged cities and set about to reclaim some of their former power.

    A lot of people tend to miss this but i think its a major event.

  17. #37
    I think the biggest primary orblem would be the tauren and darkspear pretty much getting wiped out, while conversely no nerzhul means no lich king which means silvermoon remains a vibrant bustling city of an exploding high elf population. Nobody meets that night elves and so they are forced to fight the qiraji alone- albiet with hyjal not exploded in this tangential narrative they would all still be ageless immortals.

    Most likely course of action? cthun is released, takes over kalimdor and sw, gilneas, loraeron, alterac, stromgarde, silvermoon, dalaran and ironforge unite to fight them while unbenownst to them the dark irons are summoning rags and nerfarian and onyxia are sowing dischord all over.

    Everyones turning over everyone and then when it doesnt seem to get any worse deathwing wakes up.

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Actually.. yes, thats very much it. Any argment against the orcs coming to azeroth is made null and void by pure matter of fact an orc, who if not being on azeroth, would not have been sent back in time, so would not have given the enchanted axe, and who would not have thrown himself into the well of eternity to keep the legion at bay long enough for the rest to close the portal.
    There wasn't anyone else who did something that crazy, so yes, as a paradox, the orcs had to come to azeroth, otherwise there would be no azeroth.
    Broxxigar, Ronin and Krasus being sent back in time created an alternate timeline (no idea if it overwrote the original one, or created a split-off), but in the original one, there was no Broxxigar, and the Legion was still defeated.

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    If there's no Nerzhul and hence no LK then no one goes to Northerend when Yogg-Saron is released, so Algalon comes and wipes the planet clean without any resistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynneiah View Post
    Broxxigar, Ronin and Krasus being sent back in time created an alternate timeline (no idea if it overwrote the original one, or created a split-off), but in the original one, there was no Broxxigar, and the Legion was still defeated.
    How do you know they were sent to an "alternate" timeline and not just sent back in time?

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