IT and incompetent parents

[Nyanmaru]

Take two different situations to compare internet communities to real life communities:
1. School
There's that kid that always harasses others by calling them names and making fun of them. Teachers or parents of other children tell his parents and they got to deal with it.
2. Night club
Everyone of age and appearance can get in. If you make trouble you get thrown out. If you change your appearance you can get back in.

We all know how effectively parents can deal with their children when it comes to No 1, and I'm not talking about the bad kid, there's also bad victims parents. And we also do know how much the authorities can do in real life to change these things. So there's not much hope for the online community either. It's a thing parents need to take care of, and again, both parents not only the perpetrators but also the victims parents.
And for the night club reference. If someone starts to harass you in the night club you either ignore him, retaliate or leave the club. Why don't people get taught to do that online too? The answer is rather simple. When you are online, you are inside the emotional and physical comfort zone of your own home, inside your personal space. That's what leaves people vulnerable to attacks that they likely would not care about in the outside world.

Not being anonymous on the internet doesn't solve a thing as the same things that happen online already happen in real life with everyone being clueless how to deal with it anyway.

[LaserChild9]

Its all well and good to blame the lack of good parenting, but what about the bullies? They can be tracked so I think they should face the consequences of their actions.

[Rukentuts]

Its all well and good to blame the lack of good parenting, but what about the bullies? They can be tracked so I think they should face the consequences of their actions.

If somebody tacks something on a public bulletin board you don't like, don't read it.

[LaserChild9]

If somebody tacks something on a public bulletin board you don't like, don't read it.

So its ok to abuse and bully people because you don't have to read it?

[Rukentuts]

So its ok to abuse and bully people because you don't have to read it?

This isn't walking up to them and saying it. This is just posting it on a publicly accessible bulletin board. If you don't want it publicly accessible, make it private.

[Shakari]

This isn't walking up to them and saying it. This is just posting it on a publicly accessible bulletin board. If you don't want it publicly accessible, make it private.

I find it rather sad that people will do almost anything but take responsibility for the own actions and deeds, that they feel they have any right to anonymity, as tho this "nameless face on the internet" i actually a good thing.

God fobid you behave in a decent manner towards other, no no the only option is for you not to read or use the internet so I can say what the hell I like regardless.

All the internet shows really is how horrible people can be to others when there is no possibility of any comeback from the intended recipient.

Its a rather poor reflection on humanity really.


And as for its only a bulletin board, not everyone has alligator skin and is immune or does not care about these things as should be obvious.

I am almost beginning to agree with the fact that if people will not even slightly moderate themselves then the goverment should force the issue and give them no option but to do so.

[Deleted]

Just saw news on german TV.

Appearently some bullshiticians from the CSU heard about the english "pronfilter" idea and felt like adapting it (instead of, y'know, inventing their own retarded ideas like usual. What are they, parrots? Polly wants a cracker!).

Luckily, they made it sound pretty ridiculous, and also included a statement from the pirate party who were against it, obviously.

[Rukentuts]

I find it rather sad that people will do almost anything but take responsibility for the own actions and deeds, that they feel they have any right to anonymity, as tho this "nameless face on the internet" i actually a good thing.

Free speech in a domain classified as 'public' is a good thing.

If you don't want to hear racial slurs, stay away from the KKK rallies.

[Heathy]

mhm the only thing banning porn does is relegate it to some shady VPN.

Its shit that bullying thing, all i can say is why continue to use such a site if your constantly getting shit, if for example everyone started ganging up on me on this forum, the only thing i'd do is simply not post and ignore ppl, it seems like letting it get to you too much is a thing that can happen virtual or not. is that bad parenting aswell as bullying?, is it hard to say 'hey you look glum whats wrong?' serious lack of communication going on there. I'm not saying the bullies shouldn't be held responsible, anonymity doesn't protect you from a police hunt.

its a tough situation, as we all know you can't police the entire net, so i think it should be common knowledge that your going to find ppl that are dicks, for the sake of being dicks and you simply need to either laugh with them or move along. to simply come out and say 'well we need to do something with the internet' well sure something needs to happen, but do you want to pay for it? the way i see it the only chance you have at a truly free from harassment social network is if you hire 1000's of moderators to simply police the chats and quell hostilities.

[Rukentuts]

EDIT: Obviously some regulation is needed. I just hope that governments around the world don't take things too far.

Threats need to be regulated.

Shit like "you're ugly" does not on a public bulletin board.

[LaserChild9]

I just think there is something wrong in the world when people respond to this with "Don't read it then, nobody is forcing you to" rather than accepting that this form of bullying should should have consequences like anything else. There have been several cases of young people committing suicide because of cyber bullying, how many more need to happen before people accept something needs to change? You cant just blame the parents because not all teenagers talk to their parents. I was bullied at school and I never told my parents because I was afraid it would only make things worse.

Threats need to be regulated.

Shit like "you're ugly" does not on a public bulletin board.

Do you even know what was said to the girl in the most recent case? She went on a website and asked for advice about eczema and got responses like "u ugly f*** go die evry1 wuld be happy" and "go commit suicide please". She went there to ask for advice, went to a site created for asking questions and getting advice etc and got greeted by these bullies for her efforts. Its no good saying "don't read it" or "the parents should do more", she wasn't going to a seedy or shady site, she asked a simple question.

[Rukentuts]

Do you even know what was said to the girl in the most recent case? She went on a website and asked for advice about eczema and got responses like "u ugly f*** go die evry1 wuld be happy" and "go commit suicide please". She went there to ask for advice, went to a site created for asking questions and getting advice etc and got greeted by these bullies for her efforts. Its no good saying "don't read it" or "the parents should do more", she wasn't going to a seedy or shady site, she asked a simple question.

Well then maybe she should ask a doctor.

And anyone who kills themselves over internet text has underlying issues.

[LaserChild9]

Well then maybe she should ask a doctor.

And anyone who kills themselves over internet text has underlying issues.

And that makes it all ok to bully and abuse people online? Coz if their victims commit suicide it was an underlying issue and therefore not the responsibility of the bullies?

I'm not sure who or what you are defending here? I'm not saying the internet is evil, I'm not saying we should lose our anonymity, I'm just saying what these bullies did is a crime and as a result they should be tracked down and punished, but you seem to want to brush it off and make excuses for them, justifying their behaviour because the victim had a choice.