1. #1

    Was there any conflict between the Elves?

    Im curious, with the Kaldorei and Sin'dorei, I dont think i have ever seen any conflict between the too races.
    You would think, since they both have different cultures and ways of their life, there might be some sort of disagreement towards something.
    Yes, in ancient times, they were once the same race, but you don't recall much relations to either race in WoW. It feels like WoW never really fleshed out some of the Elves lore. Kaldorei and Sin'dorei seem so much different from each other, yes given the years of evolution, but its almost if they are not the same sort of being.
    The only relation I can see is the fact that the NPC Blood Elf guards are Night Elf models. But that's more in-game sort of thing.
    Last edited by Decisive The Hallowed; 2013-08-07 at 03:00 AM.

    "Death has not taken from me, I have taken from Death itself"

  2. #2
    Some of the earliest Highborne migrated to the Eastern Kingdoms after the sundering. These were ancestors of the High Elves.

  3. #3
    I am Murloc! Airwaves's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Australia! G-day Mate!... (We don't really speak like that)
    Posts
    5,670
    Night Elves vs Highborne
    Night Elves vs Naga (Former Elves) - Old God Version
    Night Elves vs Satyr (Former Elves) - Legion version
    Night Elves vs Blood Elves in ghostlands.

    Much the same as the draenei fighting the eredar.
    Angels and Airwaves
    Aldmeri Dominion - Imperial - Templar - Laethys - High Elf - Assassin - Frostmourne - Orc - Rogue - Sea of Sorrows - Norn - Thief
    Borderlands 2 - Mechromancer - Battlefield 4 - Engineer - Diablo 3 - Wizard

  4. #4
    Bloodsail Admiral StaeleAilar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    1,108
    Yeah the elves fought with eachother. They seperated because of said fighting really. The highbourne were those that dabbled with arcane magics and supported Queen Azshara as ruler of the elves whereas the kald'orei were against arcane magic use and supported Tyrande and the priestess of the moon deal.

    Tyrande banished the highbourne and Azshara from Darnassus iirc.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by StaeleAilar View Post
    Tyrande banished the highbourne and Azshara from Darnassus iirc.
    From Kalimdor, or what remained of it to them, in generally really. Darnassus wasn't created until after the Third War where it was planted by Fandral Staghelm and several other druids in an attempt to regain the Night Elves lost immortality.
    "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." - Ayn Rand

  6. #6
    In a nutshell

    Kal'dorei: Night Elves
    Sin'dorei: Blood Elves
    Quel'dorei: High Elves

    The Sin'dorei (Blood Elves) used to be the Quel'dorei (High Elves).

    The Quel'dorei (High Elves) used to be the Highborne, a sect of mages in Kal'doreian (Night Elven) society.

    The Highborne under Queen Azshara opened a gateway to the Twisting Nether via the Well of Eternity and nearly destroyed the world by letting Sargeras through. This plan was foiled by a combination of Tyrande (Priestess of the Moon) and Illidan Stormrage (Highborne Mage) and Malfurion Stormrage (Druid) but the Well was destroyed, causing the Sundering, which split the Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor apart. Formerly Azeroth was one continental land mass. Later it was added that Northrend and Pandaria were also blown apart from the main mass during the Sundering.

    The sundering occurred at the same time that Pandaria was shrouded in mists by Shaohao, events we're learning about now.

    Illidan was later imprisoned for his crimes, the events surrounding his release were detailed in WC3.

    After this, the Highborne were banished and the Kal'dorei embraced druidism.

    The Highborne migrated to the now Eastern Kingdoms and set up shop in Quel'thalas. Using vials of water preserved from the Well of Eternity prior to its destruction, they created a new Well, the source of their magical energy, called the Sunwell. Eventually they "evolved" into the Quel'dorei, whom then became the Sin'dorei after the Sun Well was "destroyed" in the Third War by the Scourge lead by Arthas.

    Azshara, the Kal'dorei's queen, was thought destroyed in the sundering, which occurred following the destruction of the Well of Eternity. We now know she and many Highborn trapped in the Sundering were twisted into the Naga, and she remains in the sea, near the Maelstrom (see the WoW map) which is where the Well was formerly located.
    Last edited by Dirgon; 2013-08-07 at 03:56 PM.

  7. #7
    Brewmaster Azahel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Moon Guard
    Posts
    1,258
    I don't really get it, what do you mean?
    If you mean after the rest of the world discovered about kalimdor, well, the Night Elves did send spies to the Blood Elf lands to monitor them and learn what happened to those guys they banished many many years before.
    But there's nothing putting them at any specific race war, only faction war. After all, all that bad blood happened many generations ago and although the NE are still the same, those sin'dorei died long ago.

    "Posting impassionately, they say you don't care. Posting nothing, they say you ignore. Posting with passion, you incite trolls. Posting fluff, you say nonsense. Post with what facts you have, they whittle down with rationale.
    There is no win, there is only slow degradation." Tseric and the truth about WoW community.

  8. #8
    the 'racial' hate is between blood elves and high elves, and it's not even race really, it's ideology and faction. night elves are distrustful of high elves and high borne, but don't hate them. they probably hate blood elf warlockery, but it's clearly not racially motivated hate. only night elves and highborne have ever fought against each other, and they weren't really a different race. just a class of night elves that considered their self better because of arcane magic.

  9. #9
    Blood Elves as the Higborne used to rule over all Elves. During the War of the ancients, the Lower Caste Elves rebelled and overthrew the Highborne and establish a druidic culture. The remaining Highborne migrated to EK's and became the High Elves and then became the Blood Elves.

    That's the jist of it as I remember.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirgon View Post
    In a nutshell

    Kal'dorei: Night Elves
    Sin'dorei: Blood Elves
    Quel'dorei: High Elves

    The Sin'dorei (Blood Elves) used to be the Quel'dorei (High Elves).

    The Quel'dorei (High Elves) used to be the Highborne, a sect of mages in Kal'doreian (Night Elven) society.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vensu24 View Post
    Blood Elves as the Higborne used to rule over all Elves. During the War of the ancients, the Lower Caste Elves rebelled and overthrew the Highborne and establish a druidic culture. The remaining Highborne migrated to EK's and became the High Elves and then became the Blood Elves.

    That's the jist of it as I remember.
    It should probably be pointed out that there isn't really a difference between High Elves and Blood Elves beyond faction. They are the same race, the only difference is that one group formerly followed Kael'thas, were briefly magic addicted and currently serve as part of the Horde. The other group kept to themselves and still serve the Alliance.
    You tried too hard and now your post is shit. Never try too hard, the gamble isn't worth it. -Boubouille

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Decisive The Hallowed View Post
    Kaldorei and Sin'dorei seem so much different from each other, yes given the years of evolution, but its almost if they are not the same sort of being.
    That may have to do with the differences between the Highborne and the rest of the Kaldorei even prior to the Sundering. The Sin'dorei are descendants of the Highborne, who were the regal, upper class citizens of the Kaldorei. When magic was ruled out and the Highborne banished, they no doubt took with them their culture while the Kaldorei retained/progressed towards a more humble culture. To compare Darnassus and Silvermoon City would make for a rather poor comparison, although you can see hints of the old Kaldorei architecture even in Darnassus. Instead, look at the similarities between Vash'jir and Silvermoon City.
    Last edited by StationaryHawk; 2013-08-07 at 05:17 AM.

  12. #12
    Legendary!
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Behind You
    Posts
    6,567
    as others have said, there are some long standing feuds between the former Highbourne and the Night Elves
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

  13. #13
    Well not really considering they were on other sides of the planet and until very recently had no contact with each other. Last they saw of each other was when the Night Elves expelled the Highborne.

    P.S. It's spelled "Highborne". Even though really it should be "Highborn"...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tojara View Post
    Look Batman really isn't an accurate source by any means
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    It is a fact, not just something I made up.

  14. #14
    The Frozen Throne is probably still our best source for Night Elf/Blood Elf relations. And you know what? It was really positive. It seemed kinda odd, considering why the High/Blood Elves exist in the first place, but it's not hard to justify. First of all, since Kalimdor was such a surprise, it seems doubtful that the High Elves kept good records from before their exile, so no living High/Blood Elf is going to have a grudge against the Night Elves. Secondly, while the Night Elves are the same people who banished the Highborne in the past and they may have been judgmental in Warcraft III, they're also smart enough to realize that these High/Blood Elves have nothing to do with the ones they banished. They may still practice magic, but after the Battle of Mount Hyjal, the Night Elves probably know that not only was the invasion not their fault, but a lot of Night Elves probably acknowledged that their magic was just as important as anything else in that desperate battle.

    In Frozen Throne, Kael'thas and the Night Elves worked together to stop Illidan under completely friendly terms. Kael'thas was even extremely respectful toward Malfurion. There was no hint of anything except complete acceptance and alliance between the two sides. After they discovered that Illidan was only trying to destroy the Frozen Throne, it was Kael'thas that revealed Maiev's duplicity and gave Furion and Illidan the time they needed to save Tyrande.

    It's all just another reason it was baffling that the Blood Elves were thrown onto the Horde in Burning Crusade, but then that expansion's weird decisions and retcons also led to Kael'thas being revealed as some sort of insane ally to the demons which was the complete opposite of his character in Frozen Throne.

    P.S. Also keep in mind that during Cataclysm, the reason why Night Elf Magi are now playable is because Highborne who had not allied with Azshara and hid from banishment, were accepted back into Night Elven society. Whether or not it makes a lot of sense, the Night Elves have clearly forgiven their brothers and sisters for the sins of the past (except Maiev, who was driven away in Wolfheart anyway).
    Last edited by Jokubas; 2013-08-07 at 06:50 AM.

  15. #15
    Elemental Lord Nindoriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    8,640
    Well if you think about it... the Highborne, who later became the High Elves, were the ones, who brought the Legion into Azeroth. They allied with the demons. Now, thousands of years later, some of those High Elves, call themselves Blood Elves and again threw themselves in with the Legion, while even the ones, who stayed home, siphoned demonic magic.

    Might just raise some eyebrows...

  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Well not really considering they were on other sides of the planet and until very recently had no contact with each other. Last they saw of each other was when the Night Elves expelled the Highborne.

    P.S. It's spelled "Highborne". Even though really it should be "Highborn"...
    I think it's from borne meaning carried. They are borne high meaning they are at least respected, possibly even worshipped
    I don't think this matters nearly as much as you think it does.

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    It should probably be pointed out that there isn't really a difference between High Elves and Blood Elves beyond faction. They are the same race, the only difference is that one group formerly followed Kael'thas, were briefly magic addicted and currently serve as part of the Horde. The other group kept to themselves and still serve the Alliance.
    Azeroth is a world where evolution is a wide concept. The curse of flesh turning golems into humans, magic water turning elves into naga and fel energy turning anything into a huge, evil, blood-thirsty demon. The green eyes should be enough to consider them a different kind of elves, despite them not being even a different generation. After all, a few more drips of fel magic and they become those winged guys that we fight in Sunwell.
    English is not my first language, feel free to correct any mistake I may make.

  18. #18
    Elemental Lord Combatbulter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Hanseatic City of Lübeck
    Posts
    8,698
    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    Well if you think about it... the Highborne, who later became the High Elves, were the ones, who brought the Legion into Azeroth. They allied with the demons. Now, thousands of years later, some of those High Elves, call themselves Blood Elves and again threw themselves in with the Legion, while even the ones, who stayed home, siphoned demonic magic.

    Might just raise some eyebrows...

    Why should it? It is only natural, that some people strive for power and both times the general populance stopped their rulers, once they crossed the line. Those who stayed home did not siphon fel power actively.For example the cult of damned brought the legion to Azeroth, dwarves summoned Ragnaros, Druids turned against their people etc.

    Corruption exists in every race and all of them cause massive mayhem from time to time

    OT

    There is plenty of conflict between the elves, Night elves invaded Blood elven territory spied and battled with them. Not to mention the entire conflict with the Naga and Satyr, blood elves were outraged as night elves took the highborne back in because their people were exiled because of their magic, Night elves look down on blood and High elves and utterly despise Naga and Satyr.
    He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    It should probably be pointed out that there isn't really a difference between High Elves and Blood Elves beyond faction. They are the same race, the only difference is that one group formerly followed Kael'thas, were briefly magic addicted and currently serve as part of the Horde. The other group kept to themselves and still serve the Alliance.
    Not entirely true. The main visible difference is eye color. The Blood Elves' eyes turned green, and their skin got a little darker, more human-like. Previously they were mildly pale.

    I may be wrong but the current Blood Elves are still magic addicted, they've just found ways to survive until the renewal of the Sunwell, which finally sated them of it. They're addicted, but they're getting a permanent fix via the Sunwell. Those that succumbed to the addiction became the Wretched.

    As far as any high elves still existing... it never made sense to me. I'm not sure it was ever explained how some Quel'dorei were immune to the effects of the Sunwell's destruction and got to continue living on normally.

  20. #20
    Legendary!
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Behind You
    Posts
    6,567
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirgon View Post
    As far as any high elves still existing... it never made sense to me. I'm not sure it was ever explained how some Quel'dorei were immune to the effects of the Sunwell's destruction and got to continue living on normally.
    you mean the high elves who broke off from Quel/thalas?
    They were not immune, they still suffered the same drawbacks, they just used other means to cope
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •