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    something i posted on the wow general forums but since they are more interested in complaining and trolling then actual suggestions and improvements i figured id come here and see what players who want to talk about the game think
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    Instead of posting half a dozen threads each with a different idea im just going to consolidate them all to a single thread, ill separate each idea so when commenting please mention which youre talking about.

    Ive been a guild leader for over 4 years now, and once for a short stint prior to founding this one. Anyone who has lead a guild, not just owned but truly lead, can tell you its a full time job although it can be quite fulfilling at times. Unfortunately there are a number of issues that make it harder then it has to be, issues that many can work around with the use of 3rd party websites and addons. Whereas these 3rd pary sites and addons are a great option they should not be the only way to handle issues, they should just be another option.

    Communication

    Message of the day
    The message of the day is cited to be one of our main avenues in getting information to our members, however its rather useless in any practical sense. First off anyone using more then 3 addons will never see the message of the day upon logging in if they are using the standard sized chat frame. Secondly the amount of characters available in the message of the day (approx 129 characters) is far too few, barely half of what is permitted in a single (approx 155 characters) and is hardly enough to give any message let alone pass on important information. If you doubt me try to write an important message using only 129 characters including spaces

    This is a fairly simple fix.

    First off make it so that every 15-60 minutes (choose able by the guildmaster) the message of the day is shown to anyone online at the time, same as if it had just been edited.

    Secondly double the amount of characters permitted in the message of the day, make it the same as a standard limit for sending a chat message.

    These two simple changes will make this a far more valuable and useful tool for guild masters and officers.

    Guild Newsletters
    Prior to the mail throttle added in the middle of Wrath it was common for guilds to use an addon that allowed them to send out detailed messages to all guild members, this was invaluable in making up for the severe communication issues that have always plagued guildmasters. Unfortunately due to the throttle such addons no longer function and once more we are stuck in the dark ages as far as communication goes.

    The fix is rather simple in this case, an improved version of the addons made standard in game, a.k.a. Guild newsletters. Add a 3rd tab to the mailbox specifically for Guild Newsletters that way they are not there taking up precious space in an individuals mailbox.

    -The typical 50 message limit for this tab would be reasonable.
    -The ability to remove a copy of the newsletter may be a good idea although not completely necessary, some guild masters may not want their newsletters getting passed around.
    -Each guild newsletter would have a 90 day duration
    -Players could choose to delete the guild newsletter after reading it
    -When a new guild newsletter has arrived an icon will appear on the minimap underneath where the typical mail icon is with the image of a letter with your guild crest centered on it
    -Guild newsletters would have 3 times the space permitted in a standard letter to allow for clear and concise messages without spamming multiple guild newsletters to pass along all needed information.
    -The ability to send guild newsletters would be a privileged that guildmasters could assign to specific ranks.

    This would more or less eliminate the requirement so many guildmasters have to not only use a website to pass on information to members and then go through the headache of getting all members to actually use it, it wont spam up a members mailbox, and is large enough to allow for a complete message with a duration long enough so that any members who have taken a break will still be in the loop when they return.

    Ranking structure and Permissions

    Ranks
    Although more of a nuisance to a few guild masters the current rank limit can be improved upon. For some of us, not all by any means, we try to have well rounded guilds for those who enjoy pve content and those that enjoy pvp content. For obvious reasons these individuals have different needs within a guild, such as bank access for supplies they need, repair money, etc. Also anyone leading either kind of event needs separate permissions of their own and the easiest method of that is to have their own rank. Then you have officers, their alts, new recruits, their alts the list goes on yet we have to try and squeeze everyone into 9 ranks. Its doable but tricky and difficult at best.

    The rather simple fix would be to add in a few more ranks, personally i would suggest 5... mainly because i personally would only need 2-3 more and would struggle to try to figure out 5 more ranks and believe it would be more then sufficient for all guild masters.

    Individual Bank Permissions
    With the limited ranking structure and the fact that blizzard will not enforce any guilds bank policy no matter the fact that many of us keep the bank rules written and unchanged for months/years at a time, it makes it tedious most of the time to deal with bank matters. Many guilds are regulated to removing all but minimal permission for general members and forcing officers to withdraw for people as needed, which gets rather old rather quickly in larger guilds.

    The solution is the ability to create individual bank permissions for players within the guild structure. Say for example i have a newer member at basic rank and a older member at the same rank, the older member doesnt raid with a team so is not at the next rank but they have earned enough trust for more bank access, i could go in and select them off the roster, select their individual permissions and increase their repair limit and withdraw limit just for them. So now my older member has the access hes earned the trust for where as the bank is still safe from any thieves that may have recently joined.

    How it would look is simple,
    -When selecting a player on the roster there would be a arrow, similar to the way the raid frame works, that would open a bump out menu when clicked, in this menu would be the same as the bank permission window in the guild control menus.
    -These individual permissions would override the standard rank permissions.
    -However they would reset to the default rank permissions if a individual was promoted or demoted.
    -This can only be set by a Guild master.

    A simple and safe method of granting bank permissions to those deserving and avoid theft.

    Muting

    Every now and then someone in a guild will get into an argument with another person in the guild, as the old saying goes as long as there are 2 people together drama will happen at some point, and when you have adults the inclusion of alcohol can make that possibility into a certainty that sooner or later it will happen.

    Although guild masters can remove the ability for a rank to talk it just isnt enough to handle situations like this, worse yet it punishes all others at that rank. The usual solution ive found, and heard others use, is to have a rank that functions as a 'time out' or 'cool down' rank where individuals cant tank while they are there, this allows officers to handle issues when a guild master is not on without punishing an entire rank. The problem with this is it takes up an entire rank for one purpose that may not happen often, and with only 9 ranks to work with that can be rater inconvenient.

    The solution, the ability to mute players within the guild.

    -The ability to Mute a player would be granted by the guild master in the guild control menus.
    -A muted players name would show as red in the guild roster.
    -A muted player could still see guildchat but will be unable to speak in it.
    -The option to mute would appear on the window that opens when clicking a name on the guild roster.

    Quick, simple, and easy solution to give people time to cool their heads instead of outright booting them.

    Trouble Prevention

    Banning
    Possibly the most important of the ideas posted here, the ability to ban a player from the guild on an account wide basis.

    -Above the "Remove" option there would be a "Ban" option.
    -Selecting Ban would add the players account (listed by name of toon banned) to a Ban list.
    -Any player on the Ban list would not be able to be invited by any member.
    -If a member attempted to invite a banned player they would get an error message "Cannot invite players on the ban list."
    -Upon banning a player a message box would appear allowing you to leave a note as to why the individual was banned.
    -The Ban list would be in the guild info tab, to the right of the requests tab for all guild members to see who was banned and why.
    -A guild master can remove a ban if they so choose.
    -Only guild masters can ban players.

    Weve all had that one guy who keeps getting back in somehow, whether its someone who keeps inviting them back when our backs are turned, or a pair with invite/leave macros that sit there spamming gchat with it to troll. Measures like this should have been available from the start, however its not too late to add them to resolve the long standing problem.

    Account Kicking
    When you kick someone from your guild, often you want them gone completely yet sometimes they will have alts unknown to you in the guild. A fairly easy, and common sense approach to solve this would be a prompt when you select 'remove' from the roster asking if you want to remove just that toon or all toons on that account. This of course would not work if you were to say, try to kick all payers on an account when one toon was above you in rank (i.e. kicking a guildmasters alt wont allow you to kick the guildmaster )

    Miscellaneous

    Guild Halls
    This has been asked for time and time again over the years, even in my early days in BC i heard it asked for. You more then have the technology to create these with the instancing technology alone. I mean lets face it if a 2 bit game like runescape can have them why cant the worlds top MMO?

    some suggestions for guild halls:
    -Message board for guildees to read.
    -Holograms showing highest raid bosses killed to date, and when they were killed (similar to the holograms in dragonblight at wintergarde keep displaying bosses in naxx).
    -placeable guild crests around the guild hall.
    -weapon plaques showing replicas of legendaries obtained by the guild.

    the list goes on, there is alot that could be done with these to make it the single greatest addition to the guild system since guilds themselves.

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    There are quite a few suggestions here, all of them are written as individual although all together would make the greatest guild overhaul since the changes in cata.

    When deciding if you want to implement any/all of these remember that without guild masters the majority of your playerbase would not see the inside of any raid, any rbg, any kind of group content. Its the leaders, those who take a game they enjoy and make it into another job, that put the work and effort into getting the majority of your playerbase into group content, without us you would have millions of people wanting to do things and no one willing to organize them and take the reins. Would it not make logical sense to make our jobs easier? After all the easier our job is the more players we can get into content, the more happy player you have and the more secure subscriptions you have.

    I hope to see these changes in the near future, they would all be an invaluable asset to any guild master.
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    post on the forums http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9572779221 if anyone wants to try and sticky it or otherwise support it in hopes of it actually happening... more importantly im interested in hearing your thoughts and opinions on these suggested changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    First off make it so that every 15-60 minutes (choose able by the guildmaster) the message of the day is shown to anyone online at the time, same as if it had just been edited.
    I guarantee that if they implement this everyone will clamor for the option to disable it. As soon as it's provided everyone will utilize it. I think a better idea would be to display the MOTD in a separate guild chat tab or to pop up a separate Guild MotD dialog that you have to click through upon login and/or when the MotD is updated.

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    The fix is rather simple in this case, an improved version of the addons made standard in game, a.k.a. Guild newsletters. Add a 3rd tab to the mailbox specifically for Guild Newsletters that way they are not there taking up precious space in an individuals mailbox.
    Better yet, instead of spamming everyone's inbox just add another tab to the guild window for leader-edited Guild News. Then everyone can view the news letter at their convenience without having to access a mailbox. Really, you only need one newsletter at a time. For more than that, you should consider using a third party web site. Some of your requests are a little over the top.

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    The rather simple fix would be to add in a few more ranks, personally i would suggest 5... mainly because i personally would only need 2-3 more and would struggle to try to figure out 5 more ranks and believe it would be more then sufficient for all guild masters.
    Really? How many ranks do you need? I've noticed that this structure typically meets most guilds' needs:
    • Officer
    • Veteran Raider
    • Veteran Non-Raider
    • Full Member / Alt
    • Recruit
    • Time Out
    Why do you need 5 more than what we already have?

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    The solution is the ability to create individual bank permissions for players within the guild structure. Say for example i have a newer member at basic rank and a older member at the same rank, the older member doesnt raid with a team so is not at the next rank but they have earned enough trust for more bank access, i could go in and select them off the roster, select their individual permissions and increase their repair limit and withdraw limit just for them. So now my older member has the access hes earned the trust for where as the bank is still safe from any thieves that may have recently joined.
    That's why you have a rank for veteran raiders and veteran non-raiders. If you trust them enough to give them extra access but you don't want them pilfering raiding mats then give them that rank. Honestly, managing everyone's access individually would be a nightmare and is a good way to lose track of who has what. Imagine a disgruntled officer giving everyone different privileges and then /gquitting. Would you want to be the guy sorting out that mess?

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Every now and then someone in a guild will get into an argument with another person in the guild, as the old saying goes as long as there are 2 people together drama will happen at some point, and when you have adults the inclusion of alcohol can make that possibility into a certainty that sooner or later it will happen.
    That's where the "Time Out" rank comes in handy. You can restrict chat access by rank already. Just make a rank that has no chat access and put them there until they calm down. The idea is that the rank is used exclusively for people in the dog house so you don't have to worry about "punishing" anyone who doesn't deserve it.


    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Possibly the most important of the ideas posted here, the ability to ban a player from the guild on an account wide basis.
    I can actually see where this would be useful. Shouldn't be hard to do with existing technology either.

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    When you kick someone from your guild, often you want them gone completely yet sometimes they will have alts unknown to you in the guild. A fairly easy, and common sense approach to solve this would be a prompt when you select 'remove' from the roster asking if you want to remove just that toon or all toons on that account. This of course would not work if you were to say, try to kick all payers on an account when one toon was above you in rank (i.e. kicking a guildmasters alt wont allow you to kick the guildmaster )
    It seems like account banning should automatically do this for you.

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    I find a guild facebook page helps a lot, most people can access it from phones and thy can leave messages about being late or emergencies, allows them to link interesting articles or wow news, and lets us socialise when not in wow.

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    Message of the day
    The message of the day is cited to be one of our main avenues in getting information to our members, however its rather useless in any practical sense. First off anyone using more then 3 addons will never see the message of the day upon logging in if they are using the standard sized chat frame. Secondly the amount of characters available in the message of the day (approx 129 characters) is far too few, barely half of what is permitted in a single (approx 155 characters) and is hardly enough to give any message let alone pass on important information. If you doubt me try to write an important message using only 129 characters including spaces
    a) Its 128 signs - if you care for such a long wall of text get your facts right -> GuildSetMOTD()
    b) Its not the users fault but the stupid Addon-Egos thinking "my addon was loaded and the whole world must know it" not Blizzards fault....
    c) use an Adon like GuildFu and you can allways check it yourself easily

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    First off make it so that every 15-60 minutes (choose able by the guildmaster) the message of the day is shown to anyone online at the time, same as if it had just been edited.
    NO! just NO! Noone deserves regulare SPAM as a punishment to be in a guild...


    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Guild Newsletters
    Useless for Events you can use the Calendar and make them....

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Individual Bank Permissions
    Sorry if you need this something in your guild aint right....

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Muting
    See above....


    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Banning
    -If a member attempted to invite a banned player they would get an error message "Cannot invite players on the ban list."
    -Upon banning a player a message box would appear allowing you to leave a note as to why the individual was banned.
    -The Ban list would be in the guild info tab, to the right of the requests tab for all guild members to see who was banned and why.
    -A guild master can remove a ban if they so choose.
    -Only guild masters can ban players.
    Yeah ofc you seem to like witch hunts do you? No gonna happen thx to Blizz Naming & Shaming Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Weve all had that one guy who keeps getting back in somehow, whether its someone who keeps inviting them back when our backs are turned, or a pair with invite/leave macros that sit there spamming gchat with it to troll. Measures like this should have been available from the start, however its not too late to add them to resolve the long standing problem.
    See 2 points above...

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    Account Kicking
    When you kick someone from your guild, often you want them gone completely yet sometimes they will have alts unknown to you in the guild.
    Strange - every guild I have been in 10 years had the use of Notes/Officersnotes to state to whom wich Alt belongs - seems your guild is in deeeep trouble....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    I guarantee that if they implement this everyone will clamor for the option to disable it. As soon as it's provided everyone will utilize it. I think a better idea would be to display the MOTD in a separate guild chat tab or to pop up a separate Guild MotD dialog that you have to click through upon login and/or when the MotD is updated.
    it would be no different then ive seen alot of gms do which is to simply change 1 character in the motd and click save which effectively spams it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    Better yet, instead of spamming everyone's inbox just add another tab to the guild window for leader-edited Guild News. Then everyone can view the news letter at their convenience without having to access a mailbox. Really, you only need one newsletter at a time.
    the idea was to make it the most visible... its hard enough to get people to look at the guild information tab in my experience let alone a whole tab of news, the idea is that they will see the mail icon and actually think to check if for no other reason then to rid themselves of the minimap icon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    For more than that, you should consider using a third party web site. Some of your requests are a little over the top.
    the point is we shouldnt be forced to use a 3rd party site to make up for what the game lacks, as stated in the beginning. Add into that aside from hardcore groups, actually getting people to websites is difficult enough, hell getting people onto a fb group is hard enough and i dont know of many without a fb profile these days...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    Really? How many ranks do you need? I've noticed that this structure typically meets most guilds' needs:
    different people have different needs, personally i dont mix alts with general members, alts have no bank access and even officer alts have limited bank access. most folks who have been burned, and over the course of four years youll get burned a time or two, tend to take measures to avoid a repeat. its a safe bet to assume that not everyones needs match your own although as far as a basic structure goes that would work in most situations as long as you either wernt large enough to have much at risk from alts with same withdraws as normal members, or if you had nothing worth someone stealing if they felt disgruntled and left taking what they could.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    It seems like account banning should automatically do this for you.
    each idea here is presented as stand alone, had you read the intro where i said 'instead of posting half a dozen threads' it would have been safe to infer that each section in itself would constitute an individual stand alone idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    I find a guild facebook page helps a lot, most people can access it from phones and thy can leave messages about being late or emergencies, allows them to link interesting articles or wow news, and lets us socialise when not in wow.
    its fairly impossible to get everyone to use a 3rd party site unless its a requirement to even join, which means more semi-core and casual guilds (which make up the majority of the population) are still sh** outta luck here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fummockelchen View Post
    a) Its 128 signs - if you care for such a long wall of text get your facts right -> GuildSetMOTD()
    i understand you did not read fully or may not have understood some of the words here, let me educate you on what 'approx' means. 'Approx' stands for approximately which by the merriam-webster dictionary reads "Close to but not exactly" (cited http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/approximately) so get off your high horse, youre off to a bad start both with your attitude and incorrectness.

    wont waste time quoting the rest, in order of your complaints, people already spam the motd anyway in many guilds, this just gives an option for it to be automatic.

    the concept of newsletters is to pass along INFORMATION (http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/information) not events, not to mention unless an individual is invited to an event they dont often check the calendar. i, along with other guildmasters on my old realm, tested this theroy and found that a whopping 12% of active players across our guilds even noticed events.

    need, no, but the ability to grant someone more access on a individual basis, or repairs for that matter, would allow ranks to be condensed and not based solely on bank access.

    witch hunts? do you always resort to insults when you have no logical argument?

    o so youve never once seen someone get an alt invited that no one knew about for days/weeks/till it left? you must not pay any attention and be talking out your arse here like the rest of your post, why im even bothering to reply to you i dont quite know...

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    comeon people if youre going to reply at least engage your brains not just throw out insults where you have no argument against aside from bein a jack arse, note ronduwils part about the newsletters, he doesnt like my idea, which is perfectly fine, but instead of being like fum and just throwing out random insults he counters with what he feels is an improved idea... this is how concepts are fine tuned and improved... and all my OP is are concepts, youre part in this is to counter with what you feel is better if you disagree with my concept, stands a better chance of things getting implemented then

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    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    it would be no different then ive seen alot of gms do which is to simply change 1 character in the motd and click save which effectively spams it.
    That doesn't make it better. Whenever I've seen that happen people will make comments about how annoying that is and ask them to stop. Or they'll say something like, "Shutting off guild chat till MotD stabilizes." No one wants to be spammed with the same info over and over while they're trying to play, regardless of whether they're being spammed by friends or strangers.

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    the idea was to make it the most visible... its hard enough to get people to look at the guild information tab in my experience let alone a whole tab of news, the idea is that they will see the mail icon and actually think to check if for no other reason then to rid themselves of the minimap icon.
    If they're not viewing guild info that is constantly available by pressing a single button what makes you think they're going to take the trouble to find a mailbox just to read your newsletter? Most likely they'll just say, "Oh, it's the stupid newsletter," and delete it. Why are you trying to force your guild members to read something if they don't want to?

    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    the point is we shouldnt be forced to use a 3rd party site to make up for what the game lacks, as stated in the beginning. Add into that aside from hardcore groups, actually getting people to websites is difficult enough, hell getting people onto a fb group is hard enough and i dont know of many without a fb profile these days...
    A MMO is designed primarily to enable gameplay, not to act as a social media site. For that reason it will never be as feature-rich as a bulletin board-style social media site. Guilds are part of the game. They aren't the entire game. This stuff is all "nice-to-have," but how often will it really be used:
    -Message board for guildees to read.
    -Holograms showing highest raid bosses killed to date, and when they were killed (similar to the holograms in dragonblight at wintergarde keep displaying bosses in naxx).
    -placeable guild crests around the guild hall.
    -weapon plaques showing replicas of legendaries obtained by the guild.
    That's why they haven't implemented it yet. I understand your wanting those features, and it doesn't hurt to ask for them, but I doubt they're very high on Blizzard's priority list. If you want to see the bosses your guild has killed you can always do so here: The Band of the Red Hand Raid Achievements
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    That doesn't make it better. Whenever I've seen that happen people will make comments about how annoying that is and ask them to stop. Or they'll say something like, "Shutting off guild chat till MotD stabilizes." No one wants to be spammed with the same info over and over while they're trying to play, regardless of whether they're being spammed by friends or strangers.


    If they're not viewing guild info that is constantly available by pressing a single button what makes you think they're going to take the trouble to find a mailbox just to read your newsletter? Most likely they'll just say, "Oh, it's the stupid newsletter," and delete it. Why are you trying to force your guild members to read something if they don't want to?
    the problem is getting information out to members, ill give an example from our history, back in wrath we were about 200 strong when ToGC came out yet we only had 1 raid team despite my constant saying in gchat and use of the motd and even the calendar to try and get multiple teams running so that the other 190 players were taken care of, nothing happened because the information was missed by and large except in guildchat where it was folks wanting to but not wanting to lead. Twords the beginning of ICC i started using an addon called multi-mail to send out newsletters to my guild, i sent out a letter asking for anyone willing to lead a team, i got 3 replies to that, i then sent out a letter with days/times for each leader and what they needed. within 2 weeks we went from 1 team to 4 teams running all because i was able to get information out to members that othewise would have missed it. despite griping about it sometimes people will almost always read mail, i feel its safe to assume as long as newsletters wernt all long winded they would as well be read.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    A MMO is designed primarily to enable gameplay, not to act as a social media site. For that reason it will never be as feature-rich as a bulletin board-style social media site. Guilds are part of the game. They aren't the entire game. This stuff is all "nice-to-have," but how often will it really be used:
    their stance on this has changed somewhat, not many people do any kind of pve content, and not much pvp content as far as i can tell, guildless. add into that the 'encouragement' to be in a guild (aka guild perks) they added in at the start of cata. ive heard complaints from some who dont want to be in a guild that they feel they are not only being forced into guilds but are punished for not being in one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    That's why they haven't implemented it yet. I understand your wanting those features, and it doesn't hurt to ask for them, but I doubt they're very high on Blizzard's priority list. If you want to see the bosses your guild has killed you can always do so here: Band of the Red Hand Raid Achievements
    Judging by the lack of activity in your guild, however, I think you're putting the cart before the horse here.
    youre lookin at the wrong guild there its kinda essential to include the 'the' at the start

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/sa..._the_Red_Hand/ our guild post move

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/bl..._the_Red_Hand/ the reverted to lv1 guild on our first realm where we recently transfered from due to inactivity on the realm as a whole, were the 3rd guild to hit 25 back in the start of cata on our realm think the horse is well ahead of the cart, just a bit of weight on the cart so im tryin to lighten the load for the poor animal

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    I've been in guild leadership for a while now, and here are my thoughts:

    1) I would not like to see the GMotD made longer. It is supposed to be a short/concise message. So I would vote "no" on that. I don't want to be forced to ready an essay. And I really don't want a message flashed to me on a periodic basis. That would drive me nuts.

    2) However, I do think the Guild Newsletter is a great idea. And if you had a lot to say, your short GMotD could just link to a Newsletter posting (that one could access via a single click).

    3) Muting - I don't like that idea. If someone is so bad that you need to mute them, they should probably be kicked. Muting just seems juvenile to me.

    4) Account kicking - where can I sign up? Finding all of someone's alts is a royal pain in the neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    something i posted on the wow general forums but since they are more interested in complaining and trolling then actual suggestions and improvements i figured id come here and see what players who want to talk about the game think
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    Ranks
    Although more of a nuisance to a few guild masters the current rank limit can be improved upon. For some of us, not all by any means, we try to have well rounded guilds for those who enjoy pve content and those that enjoy pvp content. For obvious reasons these individuals have different needs within a guild, such as bank access for supplies they need, repair money, etc. Also anyone leading either kind of event needs separate permissions of their own and the easiest method of that is to have their own rank. Then you have officers, their alts, new recruits, their alts the list goes on yet we have to try and squeeze everyone into 9 ranks. Its doable but tricky and difficult at best.

    The rather simple fix would be to add in a few more ranks, personally i would suggest 5... mainly because i personally would only need 2-3 more and would struggle to try to figure out 5 more ranks and believe it would be more then sufficient for all guild masters.

    Individual Bank Permissions
    With the limited ranking structure and the fact that blizzard will not enforce any guilds bank policy no matter the fact that many of us keep the bank rules written and unchanged for months/years at a time, it makes it tedious most of the time to deal with bank matters. Many guilds are regulated to removing all but minimal permission for general members and forcing officers to withdraw for people as needed, which gets rather old rather quickly in larger guilds.





    Banning
    Possibly the most important of the ideas posted here, the ability to ban a player from the guild on an account wide basis.




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    I quoted the ones that I would be fully in support of but account kick/banning would be a big improvement not only to stop spying and trolling but it would simplify keeping track of alts in the first place. one button, one solution.

    individual bank access would be miles ahead of more ranks but I would support both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yjmark View Post
    I've been in guild leadership for a while now, and here are my thoughts:

    1) I would not like to see the GMotD made longer. It is supposed to be a short/concise message. So I would vote "no" on that. I don't want to be forced to ready an essay. And I really don't want a message flashed to me on a periodic basis. That would drive me nuts.

    2) However, I do think the Guild Newsletter is a great idea. And if you had a lot to say, your short GMotD could just link to a Newsletter posting (that one could access via a single click).

    3) Muting - I don't like that idea. If someone is so bad that you need to mute them, they should probably be kicked. Muting just seems juvenile to me.

    4) Account kicking - where can I sign up? Finding all of someone's alts is a royal pain in the neck.
    for the muting its more of a 1 step before kick concept, at least to me... say someone goes and has a little too much to drink and becomes belligerent, they are normally a productive guild member but an angry drunk, instead of giving them the boot and losing a valuable member you can let them cool their heels for a while while they sober up. same goes for stopping a heated argument between two members, it allows you to stop a situation before it gets out of hand with some ease... and of course if that fails theres always the boot option

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    Quote Originally Posted by mat cauthon View Post
    for the muting its more of a 1 step before kick concept, at least to me... say someone goes and has a little too much to drink and becomes belligerent, they are normally a productive guild member but an angry drunk, instead of giving them the boot and losing a valuable member you can let them cool their heels for a while while they sober up. same goes for stopping a heated argument between two members, it allows you to stop a situation before it gets out of hand with some ease... and of course if that fails theres always the boot option
    agreed on muting. it would free up the channel we currently have set to take care of that immediately if someone gets out of hand in guild chat or "a freind" gets on their account and does so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    agreed on muting. it would free up the channel we currently have set to take care of that immediately if someone gets out of hand in guild chat or "a freind" gets on their account and does so.
    ya wish we had it already, had a situation occur lastnight that both account banning and/or muting would have solved rather easily lol

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    I would go even further and propose they implement the "Guild" (corporation) and "Auction House" models from EVE Online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moshic View Post
    I would go even further and propose they implement the "Guild" (corporation) and "Auction House" modes from EVE Online.
    lets assume ive never played EVE do expand and explain

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    really, no one else has any thoughts here?

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