Also depends on the skill, the difference this can make is very apparent now that people have geared up fast on timeless isle. I main hunter & with ilvl 530 I was hitting about 150k dps single target. I'm now seeing Hunters in LFR with 535 timeless isle stuff barely scraping 60k dps.
I'd say if you can maintain about 120k dps single-target (fully raid-buffed) then you're good to go & start normal mode SoO.
Generally I'd agree that 520 should be about right but you'll be able to get away with 510-ish if you've got some skill.
First boss could be done with like 500 iLvL.
For the most part I would say roughly 520 for the first part, 530 for the second part, 540 for the third part and 545-550 for the last part.
Heroic pretty starts where that left off. Ranging from ~550 to 565. Although not all of us are god mode raiders like the people who killed it first and that range will probably be more like ~550-575.
530 or higher minimum. yes 520 is a nice idea but even the best raiders need around 530 or more to beat some of the bosses.
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A lot of folks ask for 540+ flex runs simply b/c they want a quickie without a lot of hassle, esp if it's all pugs. For normals, I echo what Tojara said above: 520 to start.
If your average ilvl in normal mode is 525 then good fucking luck on Norushen. Really though, I think that 530-535 should be enough to start progressing, but you probably won't get too far without some proper upgrades/people getting legendaries.
Last edited by Quilzar; 2013-10-10 at 11:19 PM.
OK, lets say I am in a 8/14 normal guild.
I want to do Flex for Tier bits or a chance of a trinket or maybe a weapon upgrade.
Which option would I go for....
A) Do flex with similar geared people and similar progression.
B) Do flex with a lot of people who have never been in SoO, maybe just LFR and lets say have 520 gear.
I am sorry but I would 100% go with A).
As I say if you don't like his rules do your own run then you can make up the rules.
Last edited by Quilzar; 2013-10-10 at 11:30 PM. Reason: Grammmmmmmmer
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530 is bare minimum to get past norushen, 540 is about bare minimum to kill thok
Of course it applies to average raider dps, and above average players could do it with less
520 for first wing, 530 for second, 535/540 for the rest.
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I have a hard time getting into some flex's on my Paladin sometimes because she just eclipsed 536 (Late bloomer alt no legendary stuff so I don't get the bonus Ilvl from the cloak). But usually can get invited with an achievement link or just a quick talk with the raid leader.
Remember too, if someone is an ahole and talks down to you about your ilvl, probably don't want to be stuck with them for a whole raid anyways. There are lots more out there that will take you!
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As Firefly posted right below you, don't be shocked if you see that number go up soon as 540 is quickly becoming not enough to gate the casuals as well. I don't want to imply that all casual raiders are bad, but on average, yeah they are going to be worse. Its kind of like how a college degree is a huge bonus / requirement when looking at some jobs even though they are still going to have you go through their full standard training anyway. Its a way to decrease the likelihood of wasting your time and effort.
And if theres confusion about requiring 540 when the place drops 540, if you're doing normals even casually on an alt and have some 561 gear and are at avg of 540 then obviously some of your pieces are quite a bit under what is dropping.
Last edited by Sesshou; 2013-10-12 at 03:55 AM.
pretty sure blizzard's intent is that you should have reg mode ilevel from the previous tier to do the new tier.
I mean, i personally warrior tanked a reg mode run at 515 ilevel and i did fine, although i did feel spiky, but nothing great cooldown usage cannot fix.
With timeless isle, burdens LFR, flex and itemupgrade, it should be pretty easy to reach a bit higher than 522 though..