Sacred Shield vs Eternal Flame 5.4 [PROT]

[Nairobi]

What were your absorbs from SS?

Usually averaging about 35-55k in 10m.

Highest I could get was cheesing on shamans, pushing V up to ~150k, for a ~75k shield.

Got up to ~300k V on trash, and it almost felt like the "good old days", aka Monday.

[Nuttypoolog]

I only got down the 1st 2 last night and I used ss on the 1st boss and ef on the 2nd. I took hesoftfoot and barely needed any help staying up at all with ef, although I could really notice my dps being down factoring in everything new from the 5.4 changes.

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Cleared 4/4 Flex and got up to, and a few attempts in on, Galakras tonight. Once you get used to using EF at the right time, the synergy it has with DP, coupled with the sheer throughput, is amazing. I'm pretty sure that I was getting enough free SotRs out of EF with DP that I was averaging around one lost SotR per minute using EF instead of SS. Was sitting on 150k'ish vengeance multiple times on Norushen, and barely drew any attention from the healers. The tank meta is also insanely awesome compared to the previous edition - would definitely recommend a switch to it.

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Got 9/14 last night (Yes, I feel dead. >_<), and while on some bosses it was really awkward. It wasn't that bad.

With that said, for Imerseous and Galakras it was a pain, as my BoG stack fall off kind of often. (The Split takes too long, and the adds die too fast.) On IJuggernaut it was fun. Will se the remaining few tonight. Right now I need sleep. Lots of it---

[Nillo]

Almost managed to solo tank Iron Juggernaut last night but the 300k dot eventually got me (other tank died at 65%ish) - that made for some impressive EF ticks. (in the 200k range iirc)
So far the only issue I have with EF is getting used to keeping track of BoG stacks /: and to stop pressing my SS hotkey.

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Almost managed to solo tank Iron Juggernaut last night but the 300k dot eventually got me (other tank died at 65%ish) - that made for some impressive EF ticks. (in the 200k range iirc)
So far the only issue I have with EF is getting used to keeping track of BoG stacks /: and to stop pressing my SS hotkey.

Theck has made great weakauras to track everything a prot pally could ever need. You can find them here: http://www.sacredduty.net/weakauras-strings/

[Deja Thoris]

Almost managed to solo tank Iron Juggernaut last night but the 300k dot eventually got me (other tank died at 65%ish) - that made for some impressive EF ticks. (in the 200k range iirc)
So far the only issue I have with EF is getting used to keeping track of BoG stacks /: and to stop pressing my SS hotkey.

I have the same, its certainly something to get used to. I also keep hitting WOG followed by an sotr because my brain still thinks I have 3 HP to consume. It does seem like the better talent to roll with though.

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To me it feels very fight dependant, I have been using it on every fight to test it out, once I get the 4p it is another story, but I can definately see some fights where I would rather use SS without the 4p.

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To me it feels very fight dependant, I have been using it on every fight to test it out, once I get the 4p it is another story, but I can definately see some fights where I would rather use SS without the 4p.

Which fights do you mean? I think in fights where getting the 1st SS/EF up quickly is important, SS would be superior (Malkorok comes to mind).

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Which fights do you mean? I think in fights where getting the 1st SS/EF up quickly is important, SS would be superior (Malkorok comes to mind).

Feels like I need more testing before drawing more precise conclusions (as you pretty one-shot every singe stupid fight).

It felt like EF was extremely awkward without 4p on fights where you had tank swaps and times when you could not attack the boss. Just to take an easy example, Immersus, it was kinda tricky getting a decent EF up after the split. Also considering the only damage you actually take is from the breath, you do not really need the throughput.

EF was nice to heal adds on him though.

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Which fights do you mean? I think in fights where getting the 1st SS/EF up quickly is important, SS would be superior (Malkorok comes to mind).

Except that on Malkorok EF is clearly superior. (Read: Broken as hell...)

[pld]

Feels like I need more testing before drawing more precise conclusions (as you pretty one-shot every singe stupid fight).

It felt like EF was extremely awkward without 4p on fights where you had tank swaps and times when you could not attack the boss. Just to take an easy example, Immersus, it was kinda tricky getting a decent EF up after the split. Also considering the only damage you actually take is from the breath, you do not really need the throughput.

EF was nice to heal adds on him though.

I tested EF last night and I agree. I ended up just casting it on my off-tank when I wasn't tanking or helped out raid heals a bit if I saw someone dip really low.

My fear that I wouldn't have an OH CRAP WoG handy was assuaged by the fact that going from 0-5 stacks of BoG didn't take long at all (especially with lucky DP procs), but I'm looking forward to the 4P.

[Tehterokkar]

I tested EF last night and I agree. I ended up just casting it on my off-tank when I wasn't tanking or helped out raid heals a bit if I saw someone dip really low.

My fear that I wouldn't have an OH CRAP WoG handy was assuaged by the fact that going from 0-5 stacks of BoG didn't take long at all (especially with lucky DP procs), but I'm looking forward to the 4P.

Yeah this is a major problem at least until 4pc. I think it's safe to just use SS, requires much less thinking to keep up. The 4/5 stack emergency WoG often has saved my life, losing it on EF(as you maybe barely have time to get 5 stacks back before having to use EF again) is kind of annoying.

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Except that on Malkorok EF is clearly superior. (Read: Broken as hell...)

Yeah, noticed that too when we actually fought him yesterday.

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Been using SS for our full clear. Felt very lackluster to me so I'm going to be using EF next week and see what that's like.

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I tested EF last night and I agree. I ended up just casting it on my off-tank when I wasn't tanking or helped out raid heals a bit if I saw someone dip really low.

My fear that I wouldn't have an OH CRAP WoG handy was assuaged by the fact that going from 0-5 stacks of BoG didn't take long at all (especially with lucky DP procs), but I'm looking forward to the 4P.

Thats what kept me from switching to EF too, losing this LoH-like-5BoG-high vengeance-WoG heal on myself. :/