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  1. #121
    Gotta report in with the general consensus as everyone else here. Raided last night for a bit and managed to get to and down pride, I decided to try out the reworked EF and it was amazing, my vengence levels weren't particularly amazing and i consistently saw it hitting me for 150k~ ticks. Now, EF has a large uptime, so the minimal loss in ShotR uptime is more then made up for in the self healing department. This is going to be super overpowered with our t16, but even now its clearly outshining SS on most fights. (Spiky damage can easily be dealt with a cooldown or ShoTR usage, followed by a tick of EF and your already in the clear, and because the damage spike is going to peak your vengence, it'll allow for a optimal reapply of EF for increased healing).
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  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by trystero View Post
    What were your absorbs from SS?
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    Got up to ~300k V on trash, and it almost felt like the "good old days", aka Monday.
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  3. #123
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    I only got down the 1st 2 last night and I used ss on the 1st boss and ef on the 2nd. I took hesoftfoot and barely needed any help staying up at all with ef, although I could really notice my dps being down factoring in everything new from the 5.4 changes.

  4. #124
    Cleared 4/4 Flex and got up to, and a few attempts in on, Galakras tonight. Once you get used to using EF at the right time, the synergy it has with DP, coupled with the sheer throughput, is amazing. I'm pretty sure that I was getting enough free SotRs out of EF with DP that I was averaging around one lost SotR per minute using EF instead of SS. Was sitting on 150k'ish vengeance multiple times on Norushen, and barely drew any attention from the healers. The tank meta is also insanely awesome compared to the previous edition - would definitely recommend a switch to it.

  5. #125
    Got 9/14 last night (Yes, I feel dead. >_<), and while on some bosses it was really awkward. It wasn't that bad.

    With that said, for Imerseous and Galakras it was a pain, as my BoG stack fall off kind of often. (The Split takes too long, and the adds die too fast.) On IJuggernaut it was fun. Will se the remaining few tonight. Right now I need sleep. Lots of it---
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  6. #126
    Almost managed to solo tank Iron Juggernaut last night but the 300k dot eventually got me (other tank died at 65%ish) - that made for some impressive EF ticks. (in the 200k range iirc)
    So far the only issue I have with EF is getting used to keeping track of BoG stacks /: and to stop pressing my SS hotkey.
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  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Almost managed to solo tank Iron Juggernaut last night but the 300k dot eventually got me (other tank died at 65%ish) - that made for some impressive EF ticks. (in the 200k range iirc)
    So far the only issue I have with EF is getting used to keeping track of BoG stacks /: and to stop pressing my SS hotkey.
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  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillo View Post
    Almost managed to solo tank Iron Juggernaut last night but the 300k dot eventually got me (other tank died at 65%ish) - that made for some impressive EF ticks. (in the 200k range iirc)
    So far the only issue I have with EF is getting used to keeping track of BoG stacks /: and to stop pressing my SS hotkey.
    I have the same, its certainly something to get used to. I also keep hitting WOG followed by an sotr because my brain still thinks I have 3 HP to consume. It does seem like the better talent to roll with though.

  9. #129
    To me it feels very fight dependant, I have been using it on every fight to test it out, once I get the 4p it is another story, but I can definately see some fights where I would rather use SS without the 4p.
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    To me it feels very fight dependant, I have been using it on every fight to test it out, once I get the 4p it is another story, but I can definately see some fights where I would rather use SS without the 4p.
    Which fights do you mean? I think in fights where getting the 1st SS/EF up quickly is important, SS would be superior (Malkorok comes to mind).
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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthoxxx View Post
    Which fights do you mean? I think in fights where getting the 1st SS/EF up quickly is important, SS would be superior (Malkorok comes to mind).
    Feels like I need more testing before drawing more precise conclusions (as you pretty one-shot every singe stupid fight).

    It felt like EF was extremely awkward without 4p on fights where you had tank swaps and times when you could not attack the boss. Just to take an easy example, Immersus, it was kinda tricky getting a decent EF up after the split. Also considering the only damage you actually take is from the breath, you do not really need the throughput.

    EF was nice to heal adds on him though.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthoxxx View Post
    Which fights do you mean? I think in fights where getting the 1st SS/EF up quickly is important, SS would be superior (Malkorok comes to mind).
    Except that on Malkorok EF is clearly superior. (Read: Broken as hell...)

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly33 View Post
    Feels like I need more testing before drawing more precise conclusions (as you pretty one-shot every singe stupid fight).

    It felt like EF was extremely awkward without 4p on fights where you had tank swaps and times when you could not attack the boss. Just to take an easy example, Immersus, it was kinda tricky getting a decent EF up after the split. Also considering the only damage you actually take is from the breath, you do not really need the throughput.

    EF was nice to heal adds on him though.
    I tested EF last night and I agree. I ended up just casting it on my off-tank when I wasn't tanking or helped out raid heals a bit if I saw someone dip really low.

    My fear that I wouldn't have an OH CRAP WoG handy was assuaged by the fact that going from 0-5 stacks of BoG didn't take long at all (especially with lucky DP procs), but I'm looking forward to the 4P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    I tested EF last night and I agree. I ended up just casting it on my off-tank when I wasn't tanking or helped out raid heals a bit if I saw someone dip really low.

    My fear that I wouldn't have an OH CRAP WoG handy was assuaged by the fact that going from 0-5 stacks of BoG didn't take long at all (especially with lucky DP procs), but I'm looking forward to the 4P.
    Yeah this is a major problem at least until 4pc. I think it's safe to just use SS, requires much less thinking to keep up. The 4/5 stack emergency WoG often has saved my life, losing it on EF(as you maybe barely have time to get 5 stacks back before having to use EF again) is kind of annoying.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Wanko View Post
    Except that on Malkorok EF is clearly superior. (Read: Broken as hell...)
    Yeah, noticed that too when we actually fought him yesterday.
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    Been using SS for our full clear. Felt very lackluster to me so I'm going to be using EF next week and see what that's like.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by paulleedot View Post
    I tested EF last night and I agree. I ended up just casting it on my off-tank when I wasn't tanking or helped out raid heals a bit if I saw someone dip really low.

    My fear that I wouldn't have an OH CRAP WoG handy was assuaged by the fact that going from 0-5 stacks of BoG didn't take long at all (especially with lucky DP procs), but I'm looking forward to the 4P.

    Thats what kept me from switching to EF too, losing this LoH-like-5BoG-high vengeance-WoG heal on myself. :/

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