Why logically you have a point.
I honestly think it was just writers using the character for where they wanted it to go. I doubt they ever even thought of this when deciding who Thrall would appoint etc.
I'd say it's just cheap writing. Don't read into it too much. Even though it would make for a very interesting storyline!
1/ Garrosh's Landing was a disaster. A large chunk of the army was killed and nearly all their siege equipment was destroyed/damaged. It was also their only point of reliable resupply, and it was lost very quickly.
2/ Warsong Hold was built on top of a Nerubian Nest. Nothing more to say here.
3/ Garrosh appointed bad commanders to posts in Dragonblight and Grizzly Hills, and gave bad orders personally (as well as contemplating openly about seizing the Alliance's port, despite the fact they were allies at the time) while dismissing all advice from Saurfang. Saurfang cleaned up his mess in Borean, and others cleaned up his mess elsewhere.
4/ Saurfang did more in Icecrown Citadel then Garrosh - who just stood at the front door and waited for the fighting to be over.
5/ Thrall gave the Orcs they hero they needed - despite that hero being dead (Saurfang Junior) and the other hero being in mourning/unwilling to accept the fame. Garrosh was literally the only choice, despite the fact he did nothing to earn it.
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Potentially, at least.
If anything this shows Thrall isn't infallible, which makes him a better character. But a better person, probably not - he screwed up royally, and should have come back to fix his mistake a long time ago.
As someone said, I blame Aggra.
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And maybe Deathwing for causing the Cataclysm.
I still cant believe Thrall waited till the very end to confront garrosh when everybody is dead.
The guy left to go to Org back in 5.3 which was months ago what was he doing in the meantime?
Thrall shouldve walked straight to the throne room and called him out infront of everybody to see but instead he waits to the very very last moment and to do it when nobody is around to see.
(Why do i even bother to argue over this poorly written crap)
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Yes, Thrall has his portion of guilt in this, absolutely. Specially since everybody advised him against it. Hell, even garrosh HIMSELF said he was not ready and didn't want to accept. If Thrall backed off, probably garrosh would still be really restless and cause trouble, but notin the most powwerfull position of the Horde.
All that said, Thrall believed that was the right choice for his people... People do make mistakes. It is interesting to see him failing at least once, since he is always the one leading to victory and making the right decisions ever since Lord of the Clans.
And as was said by other people... you really can't be fully responsible for he actions of other people. It was not Thrall making Garrosh kick the heart of Y'shaarj in the pools of the Vale.
Garrosh was rotten and putting him in Warchief position magnified his flaws, but who really caused chaos was Garrosh himself.
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Actually, I think it is interesting seeing Thrall making a mistake. Show us he is not perfect.
People do make mistakes, you know. Only his was a huge one and caused great damage, even because Thrall is a great character.
I thought he said he went to go in to get allies
Was eitrigg and saurfang the only guys he could muster?
He couldve ended this back in 5.3 he shouldve donned his doomhammer armour walked straight into Org and threw the gauntlet down which garrosh wouldve picked up and the two couldve duked it out with the entire orc population watching.
So if garrosh did anything dishonorable the orcs wouldve seen and maybe think twice following garrosh. But instead he decides to wait till the very end to fight him which is kinda pointless seeing most of org is littered with dead orcs and dead orc heroes.
So what was he doing for 3 months then LOL.
Thrall says he refuses to believe all the orcs support garrosh and maybe at the time that was the case but why did he leave it to the last minute to do anything.
Hell he couldve ended this in 5.1 after the attack on senjin village.
I guess my point is you dont kill a king when nobody is watching you kill him when the entire court can see and i dont believe he wouldve been murdered the moment he set foot in org the orcs still have respect for thrall and wouldve let him in to confront garrosh IMO.
He couldn't have predicted that Garrosh would become a tyrant, he thought Garrosh would actually be a good leader in his absence and that he wouldn't be a super tyrannical dictator bent on turning the Horde and the whole of Azeroth into orc controlled that only those who never questioned him would be free.
Even the wisest of us cannot see all outcomes. He did what he thought was best at the time, and you cannot fault him for that.
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Here is my issue though: Both Vol'jin and Cairne knew that Garrosh would likely become a tyrant. My anger with Thrall is that he didn't listen when he was the ONLY one who thought his decision was right. This is why I feel, like I articulated in my first post, that Thrall is to blame. For everything.
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Valid statement, but like I said in my first post: His friends and advisers warned him. He had every chance in the world to make the right decision, and his pride for Grom blinded him. Even AFTER Garrosh was Warchief and Vol'jin contacts him half-way through Cataclysm and updated Thrall on Garrosh's evil behavior, he made no effort to correct his mistake. But now, all of the sudden, now that the world is falling apart again, Thrall takes interest. Correction, Vol'jin is the one who is leading the charge here, and his life is on the line because Thrall made a grave mistake and failed to correct it (or even attempt to).
He did listen. He didn't make the choice lightly. He trusted in his friends being able to keep Garrosh on the right path.
You should probably read the Shattering, since that does really shed a lot of light on Thrall's thought process... it certainly wasn't one where he fully endorsed Garrosh without even considering the viewpoints of others or doubting his choice.
Thrall had shaman stuff to do then. You know, the whole ensuring the world wouldn't tear itself apart thing with the Maelstrom. Nor did Garrosh do anything THAT evil yet.Valid statement, but like I said in my first post: His friends and advisers warned him. He had every chance in the world to make the right decision, and his pride for Grom blinded him. Even AFTER Garrosh was Warchief and Vol'jin contacts him half-way through Cataclysm and updated Thrall on Garrosh's evil behavior, he made no effort to correct his mistake. But now, all of the sudden, now that the world is falling apart again, Thrall takes interest. Correction, Vol'jin is the one who is leading the charge here, and his life is on the line because Thrall made a grave mistake and failed to correct it (or even attempt to).
Nor was it pride for Grom that blinded him, it was trust in his friends being able to lead Garrosh onto a path that would make him a wise leader and trusting Garrosh to want to be on that path, rather than the path of a dictator.
A lot has happened since then. According to this statement everyone who votes in democracy is guilty of the flaws of the one who's chosen.
Also, in the Cataclysm era there were shortages of recourses, and I think Thrall made the descision to choose Garrosh as he was willing to fight for it.
Yes now we can all say the descision was a mistake, but i think that's kind of too easy.