New Snowden leak reveals illegal and unconstitutional surveillance by the NSA.

[c2dholla619]

...exactly what "Essential liberty" did you loose with the NSA? And don't just say a generic "Privacy". You haven't lost that at all and it doesn't remove anything "essential" to your life. I could argue that you loose your privacy the moment you're born because you have parents.

You would've been fine if this whole thing had not been "uncovered"... as nothing essential in your daily life was lost.

well they out right lied to us saying that there was no spying. later that day he goes and says we are spying, but just trust me there is no foul play. you can be a zombie and say "i have nothing to hide". whats essential to you may not be essential to me and vise versa.

we loose our right to privacy the moment we are born thats just stupid. your parents raises you the govt didnt raise me. the govt didnt bring me into this world. there is a clear difference between parents and govt. my parents were very respectful of my privacy. im a grown ass man i dont need any other human to check my emails n shit if im not suspected of a crime. show me a warrant if not then gtfo. everthing in the constitution was implemented for a reason. slight tweaks are understandable, but complete disregard is criminal.

you do know that the govt is killing US citizens on american soil without trial or anything just blow up the house because they think you are a terrorist with a drone, or have police burn them alive (chris dornor). you find this fucking shit acceptable. its only going to get worse as time goes on unless we say this isnt cool. this isnt the america that i learned about years ago this is an entirely different place that shit on the constitution and everyone who fought for this country and citizens who say its ok. fuck that shit.


(kinda off topic, but w/e) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPk6iKdBBk

[DPA]

this blindness pisses me off. sure there are people who hate america, i would hate a country that comes to my land and start drone bombing thousand of Innocent kids and civilians and so would you. the terrorist that we are after is AL-Qaeda and the funny thing is USA funded and trained them this is a fact osama was on the govt pay-roll http://stormcloudsgathering.com/docu...rnment-payroll. us is still funding al-qaeda because the rebels in syria that we are arming is led by al-qeada. history show over and over when the govt start taking away right in the name of security is the beginning of shtf (do you think it would be any different just because you in it this cycle). as long as im safe i dont care that we are killing millions of innocents around the world...bull shit

what about the terror false flag in texas a couple days ago. they got was caught red handed in a fake terror alert.
http://static.infowars.com/bindnfoco...ustin-Area.pdf

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-----Benjamin Franklin----

“A false sense of security is the only kind there is.”
---Michael Meade----

your right life is too short. and to live that short time in a cage is beyond me. for the past couple of centuries people have fought and died for this freedom and to give it up over a false sense of security is the biggest spit in the face i can think off.

i have no respect for that mindset you have

I get it, you're all cool about liberty.
So why can't they have the liberty to like this kind of domestic protection if they want to?
Do you feel obliged to rob them from their liberty of free speech and their own opinion, without having you to spit them in their face?

You're disgusting and don't belong in a democratic society when only your opinion matters.

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well they out right lied to us saying that there was no spying. later that day he goes and says we are spying, but just trust me there is no foul play. you can be a zombie and say "i have nothing to hide". whats essential to you may not be essential to me and vise versa.

we loose our right to privacy the moment we are born thats just stupid. your parents raises you the govt didnt raise me. the govt didnt bring me into this world. there is a clear difference between parents and govt. my parents were very respectful of my privacy. im a grown ass man i dont need any other human to check my emails n shit if im not suspected of a crime. show me a warrant if not then gtfo. everthing in the constitution was implemented for a reason. slight tweaks are understandable, but complete disregard is criminal.

you do know that the govt is killing US citizens on american soil without trial or anything just blow up the house because they think you are a terrorist with a drone, or have police burn them alive (chris dornor). you find this fucking shit acceptable. its only going to get worse as time goes on unless we say this isnt cool. this isnt the america that i learned about years ago this is an entirely different place that shit on the constitution and everyone who fought for this country and citizens who say its ok. fuck that shit.


(kinda off topic, but w/e) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPk6iKdBBk

Well you're an all grown man, great! I guess you didn't see it comming that the sugarcoated preaches about how glorious USA is/was, was a fat fucking lie?
Also, please tell me one, just one country that doesn't hide SOMETHING from their people. Just one country.

And that guy in your link, seriously? He get his information this way?


Try check his other videos... "Obama stages terrorist attack bigger than 9/11"... Sure!

[Cthulhu 2020]

...exactly what "Essential liberty" did you loose with the NSA? And don't just say a generic "Privacy". You haven't lost that at all and it doesn't remove anything "essential" to your life. I could argue that you loose your privacy the moment you're born because you have parents.

You would've been fine if this whole thing had not been "uncovered"... as nothing essential in your daily life was lost.

I'm pretty sure that ben franklin quote is the most overused and misused quote the decade if not the century.

It's kind of funny that over 75% of the "incidents" are violations of executive order. Weren't many of you also outraged at Obama's use of executive order in response to gun control? Now the vast majority of the evidence you have of NSA misuse is that they violated executive orders.

What the heck are you talking about? None of that even happened.

Why does anyone care about this at all. It's a phony scandal according to the Obama administration. It goes right along with the IRS, Solindra, Fast & Furious, AP, Benghazi and Holder perjuring himself over and over. But there all fake so we have nothing to worry about.

I guess you'd not even acknowledge the fact that the Obama administration (read: Dems and Reps in the house) merely expanded upon what the Bush administration started, since this all began under the Patriot Act? Heck most of the NSA's overreaching authority was granted by CONGRESS in 2008 while the executive branch was still under Bush.

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Why is everyone shocked by this? Every Government spies on its own citizens, they would be fools not to.

I think it's the way and how much the US just disregards the law it expects everyone else to follow but not the government.
People lying to congress being appointed by the president himself, pretty disgusting.

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We have the power to vote out all those that have allowed the NSA to do this. We have the power to never elect the true traitors ever again. The first question you should ask before voting for someone should be, "Will you preserve and protect my rights?" The answer has to be yes.

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Why is everyone shocked by this? Every Government spies on its own citizens, they would be fools not to.

That is unacceptable. Our Government is only needed to preserve our liberties. If it cannot do that, then why should we need a Government in the first place? The U.S. needs to elect people to do the job they swear to do.

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No, it is very wrong, but it is the sensible thing to do. I am all for freedom of choice and privacy in your own home, but if someone is googling how to build fertiliser bombs or make ricin then it is only right that it is flagged by the authorities. The Government are not interested in peoples day to day activities, they simply do not have enough time, money or manpower to watch every Joe Bloggs.

That's interesting considering they've been giving the info to the DEA.

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I think people are offended by the idea that THE GOVERNMENT IS WATCHING THEM when for 99.9999% of the citizens that couldn't be farther from the truth. As you said, unless someone is googling how to make bombs then that might put you on a watch list and they might flag your credit cards for large purchases of fertilizer, but it's not going to disrupt your day to day life.

A couple of months ago I actually bought a large amount of fertilizer to fertilize a field and till it into the soil. I wonder if that threw up any flags on me at the DOD... not really worried about it though. As you said, spying is something that has been happening for a long time. That Americans are so offended by it is rather silly.

I'm kind of surprised the Obama blamers haven't jumped into the thread yet, considering Patriot Act and NSA stuff was implemented under Bush. Obama's biggest crime is not making it transparent or not discontinuing it.

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You'd be surprised how many people are blissfully ignorant and just had their bubbles burst by all this news.

I suppose you know nothing about how our Government works. Obama should have been lobbying to be rid of these programs, but he did not. Infact, he supports them. Obama is either just as bad or worse than Bush in this matter.

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If you're looking up how to make bombs you can and should be flagged.

No, that is idiotic. Should I be flagged if I look up how to make a gun? Or a sword? Maybe I should be flagged if I look up how to get a car as well? In the U.S. you are innocent until proven guilty. Looking up how to make a bomb is not a crime, therefore the Government has no authority to look into it. This is a complete violation of everyone's civil liberties.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I suppose you know nothing about how our Government works. Obama should have been lobbying to be rid of these programs, but he did not. Infact, he supports them. Obama is either just as bad or worse than Bush in this matter.

Obama actually let parts of the Patriot Act expire while extending the others. How does it make him "worse" simply by standing by something a previous president did?

Is there actually a reason why he's worse for it, or are you just saying that because he belongs to a different political party than the one you support?

I'm disappointed in him as a president, but not for the same reasons Republicans claim to hate him for (which aren't even real). They claim he's some kind of socialist marxist commie, when really what's made him the most disappointing Democrat president is that he's too far right, and one of the farthest right Democrat presidents we've had.

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Obama actually let parts of the Patriot Act expire

No he didn't.

[DPA]

No, that is idiotic. Should I be flagged if I look up how to make a gun? Or a sword? Maybe I should be flagged if I look up how to get a car as well? In the U.S. you are innocent until proven guilty. Looking up how to make a bomb is not a crime, therefore the Government has no authority to look into it. This is a complete violation of everyone's civil liberties.

Have you not heard of prevention? Didn't you learn anything from 9/11? Preventing things happening while they're brewing is fantastic, it doesn't cost lives.
Surely looking up how to make a bomb isn't a crime, and nobody will get busted for doing so.

But if you looked up how to make it, and the government found you interesting, they might investigate further. They figure you bought a lot of fertilizer lately, while not being an active farmer.
A bell rings here, they look trough your online correspondences with other people, shit, some plan is brewing here.
Better arrest, interrogate and nail these fucking bomb makers.

Catching them before they do the act, saves lives. Once they planted and blown the bomb, it's too fucking late.

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well they out right lied to us saying that there was no spying. later that day he goes and says we are spying, but just trust me there is no foul play. you can be a zombie and say "i have nothing to hide". whats essential to you may not be essential to me and vise versa.

we loose our right to privacy the moment we are born thats just stupid. your parents raises you the govt didnt raise me. the govt didnt bring me into this world. there is a clear difference between parents and govt. my parents were very respectful of my privacy. im a grown ass man i dont need any other human to check my emails n shit if im not suspected of a crime. show me a warrant if not then gtfo. everthing in the constitution was implemented for a reason. slight tweaks are understandable, but complete disregard is criminal.

you do know that the govt is killing US citizens on american soil without trial or anything just blow up the house because they think you are a terrorist with a drone, or have police burn them alive (chris dornor). you find this fucking shit acceptable. its only going to get worse as time goes on unless we say this isnt cool. this isnt the america that i learned about years ago this is an entirely different place that shit on the constitution and everyone who fought for this country and citizens who say its ok. fuck that shit.


(kinda off topic, but w/e) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPk6iKdBBk

"Everything was put in the constitution for a reason"... you do realise how incredibly old it is, right? Also, if you want to talk about the Founding Fathers said, what about one of them saying the Constitution should be re-written or amended every 19 years so that the current generation isn't subjected to the laws of the previous generation that may not be pertinent any more? Convenient how you and most other people forget about that.

Regardless of how top awesome the Founding Fathers were, they couldn't possibly have imagined how life would be today and the challenges every country faces, especially America.

[Rukentuts]

No, that is idiotic. Should I be flagged if I look up how to make a gun? Or a sword? Maybe I should be flagged if I look up how to get a car as well? In the U.S. you are innocent until proven guilty. Looking up how to make a bomb is not a crime, therefore the Government has no authority to look into it. This is a complete violation of everyone's civil liberties.

What's the point of these falser than false equivalencies? Equating a bomb to a car, seriously?

[prwraith]

What's the point of these falser than false equivalencies? Equating a bomb to a car, seriously?

I have trouble understanding why you keep posting in these threads if all you say, basically amounts to you're wrong you gave away xyz and I shall never be dissuaded by logical argument.

[Twotonsteak]

In before Obama blamers.

"If you look at the reports, even the disclosures that Mr. Snowden’s put forward, all the stories that have been written, what you’re not reading about is the government actually abusing these programs and, you know, listening in on people’s phone calls or inappropriately reading people’s e-mails.

What you’re hearing about is the prospect that these could be abused. Now part of the reason they’re not abused is because they’re — these checks are in place, and those abuses would be against the law and would be against the orders of the FISC [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court]. " President Obama, 8-9-13.

Congratulations. He didn't start the program. He just lied when he said the NSA doesn't abuse it's power.

EDIT:
It blows my mind that Obama can, with a straight face, defend all of these spying programs as being necessary to combat terrorism. Yet they couldn't stop the Boston Bombers...one of whom was already on a frickin Watch List.

[Rukentuts]

I have trouble understanding why you keep posting in these threads if all you say, basically amounts to you're wrong you gave away xyz and I shall never be dissuaded by logical argument.

Feel free to add me to your ignore list. I won't mind.

[ringpriest]

I find it sad how many posters are claiming that they don't see what's wrong, what the harm is, with the Federal Government's intelligence apparatus illegally spying on U.S. citizens and then trying to cover up that lawbreaking by lying to those supposed to be keeping them in check.

From A Man for All Seasons,

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

[Zangeiti]

In before Obama blamers.

Me: THANKS OBAMA!

Decklan: it wasnt Obama.

Me: Thanks BUSH!

[Masark]

What's the point of these falser than false equivalencies? Equating a bomb to a car, seriously?

Actually, driving a car into the middle of the Boston Marathon and running people down probably would have been about as effective at causing deaths and injuries as the bombs were.

[someotherguy]

Actually, driving a car into the middle of the Boston Marathon and running people down probably would have been about as effective at causing deaths and injuries as the bombs were.

Pretty sure terrorism success isn't measured by number of bodies, but by how much people freak out.
A gun would probably do more damage than either a car or a bomb would do.
The problem with bombs, is they can explode anytime anywhere - so it's freaky. With a car, you can just watch out for cars - not much to be freaked out about. And I don't think guns scare people as much as bombs.

Also, if the person gets away with doing a terrorist act, than they can do it again, and people freak out. Driving a car through a crowd guarantees you won't get away from the scene - there are cops all over. Same problem with guns.

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What's the point of these falser than false equivalencies? Equating a bomb to a car, seriously?

Not really. It is not illegal to look up how to make a bomb, or how to make a car. Both are completely legal. Car's can also be pretty dangerous weapons as well.