It is all about interpreting those numbers? Here is my take: Every game peaks, every game then declines and no sub based MMO has ever been at 7.7 million subs after over 8 years. In fact, not even a game made by a reputed studio (Bioware) with a much bigger franchise behind them (Star Wars) has even at its peak reached the numbers of WoW and then it crashed and burned much faster.
I am sure you will twist these words in my mouth to show me that WoW has instead become shit.
Damn - and I never wanted to post in these pointless threads again, especially when they are started by a 2 post fresh member by such a totally not flamewarsinducing name like the OP
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
When I stop playing and probably unsub in 10 weeks time, will it be because I don't like 5.4 or will it be that I just don't have time what with the baby and everything?
In your head -1 sub = game is bad, but to the people who have the data my reason will read much like most of the people who unsub (I'll find this blue post from a few weeks back...actually I'm not going to bother, they said it, I read it and even if I find it some chucklehead will say "blizzard lies" so I can't be arsed) "I don't have the time"
Sub numbers at the level that we see them mean so little it's actually funny, but not as funny as watching people try and twist and turn them into something deeper.
Last edited by Mooboy; 2013-08-19 at 10:14 AM. Reason: can't be arsed
No they don't.The majority of people who played since tbc or earlier agree that TBC was the golden era of WoW.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Last edited by Ysilla; 2013-08-19 at 10:15 AM.
Besides... Nice try there, trying to avoid the arguments and going straight into self-defense mode...
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BC was awesome at the time, and I as well as many others loved it.
But that doesn't change the fact that I'd probably tear my hair out if a new expansion proved to be BC-style-revisited. Today is not the time anymore for BC-style kind of play. And I mean that in every way imaginable, from attunement quest chains (which I loved at the time despite them being a huge hassle for guilds), to player poaching, to guilds forever stuck in Karazhan or at the most T5 due to geared players saying bye to join a T6-guild that would attune them, to excessive class stacking that we have rarely seen again in such excess (grant me some leeway with arcane mages on spine and druids on Nef, okay? ^^). BC was a golden era only at the time it happened. Today, BC isn't so golden anymore. What you mistake as golden is that pinkish tinge caused by those funny engineering goggles that you're wearing.
And yes, Blizzard is capable of making good expansions. They've proven to be several times already. Nothing will ever make everyone happy; nothing will ever be perfect for everyone because people are so diverse and different in their interests and opinions. But good? Yes, they've all been good, despite the weaknesses and kinks that needed to be ironed out.
I think good is to hard to say now days. I think its more not enjoying wow as much as you used to. I've come to see that now that I re-subbed for I think it was my 3rd time inn MOP - After 1 hardcore nerd grind weekend, I kinda feel like I've done quit a few things already, and I found myself iddling inn Stormwind for just a slight few minutes yesterday, opening my achivement tab, thinking wtf shall I do....
Ah yes, opening the achivement tab being bored, how many times haven't I done that before!
One reason for WoW decline I often hear is that its an old game and naturally people get bored with it. But TV is much older and people still watch that. Surely if a thing you once enjoyed keept staying fun, you would still use it?
I can't believe what I just read. Opinion wise ... if you feel TBC was the best so be it, but "the Majority" of players should speak for themselves. Having been one of the people who has played since classic I can say I strongly disagree with your opinion. TBC was not the golden era, far from it both in my view and based on sub levels. Wrath had the most subs and it started to fall after that. Yes they can still make good games, while I disliked TBC and liked Cata even less, I still played and enjoyed the game for what it was. Each expansion had something good about it, but I have found I enjoyed Wrath the most.
Honestly, I would say the key reason I enjoyed it so much is it had more choice on where to go to level, both with starting zones and the freedom to quest as I liked without being put on a track that tells me where I have to go and when. Having 10 levels made it easier to work with that as well. Cata and Mop (Mostly cata) Kinda killed leveling for me with having fewer but larger zones, and only 5 levels which seemed to drag on for ever just to hit max.
I wouldn't say the game is getting worse, as it is getting older and people change (or refuse to adapt to change) and so move on to things that suit their tastes. A good example being the "hardcore" crowd. A 'decent sized portion' refuse to adapt to how the game is now and throw epic sized tantrums on how the game is shit now and was better when they were the only ones seeing content and the 1% should be bowed down too and revered with their 'epic lootz'.
It is hilarious how often people mock nostalgia when defending new WoW, since I can't think of any other reason to go back to playing it at all. Nostalgia is a valid reason to like something and there's plenty of evidence to indicate that all personal preference is nostalgia. Read "The Language of Thought Hypothesis", shoot for number 3, if you don't know what I mean.
However, Blizzard is hindered by the following:
- disinterest in creating a quality pvp environment, especially with regard to low level pvp.
- over saturation of meaningless/disposable content, such as quests, scenarios, dungeons, and raids.
- inability to find the 'sweet spot' when it comes to class design and function.
- general confusion when it comes to taking the game in a good direction.
Things they've done well:
- Lore and creative design of the game.
- World and character art.
Originally Posted by Jevlin
And good for you, you are too cool to care, but in the raiding community there was a lot of competition among realms for first kills. That's gone now aswell. Like it or not, but the raiding community in Wow got gutted in favour of people like yourself that 'have fun' in LFR. And I'd argue that the people wiping in Karazhan had more fun than the people collecting epics in LFR while being on /follow.
Either way, the next expansion will not go back to the hardcore TBC style of Wow, Blizzard has been steering away from that since early Wotlk. The current playerbase would not like it, they have been spoonfed for too long.
Last edited by Farora; 2013-08-19 at 10:32 AM.
... No judgement until I can try the content myself. If the trailer is good, that is enough bait for me to jump in and try.. And I never care about other's opinion of what/how I wish to play it.
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Pirate before max level, why not, it is not like I want easy leveling