Why do players hate Garrosh but like Sylvanas?

[n00bslayer06]

I like garrosh? wtf lol

[Ehrenpanzer]

You think she'll stay undead forever? You think your Forsaken will always be like this? In the end they will either be wiped out, or cured. Either way, Alliance wins. Hahaha!

I have a couple dozen barrels of plague that says otherwise....and while you ever so kindly sent all your armies to Org to battle garrosh...you failed to notice that we forsaken were nowhere to be seen thanks for your capital cities

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Here you go

you win +9001 internetz for this awesomeness! =D

[Florena]

I have a couple dozen barrels of plague that says otherwise....and while you ever so kindly sent all your armies to Org to battle garrosh...you failed to notice that we forsaken were nowhere to be seen thanks for your capital cities

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you win +9001 internetz for this awesomeness! =D

Actually the forsaken are at Org too, Sylvannas included.

[thefinalwarden]

For me it is all about consistency. With Garrosh, it seemed like they were desperately attempting to figure out a direction to go with him, good, bad, brutal but honorable. I think this expansion did the best with him because they had a very solid idea for him this time around. They did a good job at turning him into someone you want to murder because of how he acts and his disregard for anything beyond his own limited vision.

Sylvanas has always been a sneaky, morally lacking character, which has helped people make a solid decision whether to like or hate her, rather than hating her because the character was indecisive in how they should act.

[Deleted]

Is that worgen... No i don't even want to think about it.

Wow sylvanas really look like a cheap stripper/escort lady nowadays :P But they kinda did the same thing with Jaina, just looking at her barbie makeup makes me saaad :P

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I hate them both.

IMO Horde lore has been ruined since Thrall accepted the Forsaken into the Horde. It totally betrays the principles of the Horde in Warcraft 3.

Indeed, have to agree with you there, had more respect for them before that, but having to sacrifice so much lore to fit into the game design, meh!

[Shadoop]

A lot of people are saying that Sylvanas is becoming just as crazy as Garrosh. I think that is true. It's been fairly obvious that she has slowly been warping her field of right and wrong as the years go on. But this is to be expected. It has already been revealed that there is some dark menacing force laying underneath Tirisfal that drove the Kaldorei mad centuries ago. Therefore, it is driving the undead and Sylvanas mad now. I think it's safe to say we can expect to see Sylvanas becoming more and more maniacal in the future. Link: http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/09/11/kn...spers-of-tir/3

[Goretex]

Sylvanas is gonna bat shit crazy, you can just feel it coming sometime.

[Aquamonkey]

Yup. I'm not saying she doesn't do a more effective job than Garrosh. I'm just saying at the end of the day, she's just as bad as him. Perhaps worse. She's even more self-preserving and self-motivated. I don't think there's a single person she wouldn't use to further her own ends.

Garrosh at least has some basic, arguable severely misguided but altruistic motivation towards Orcs that fuels his racism. It remains to be seen if Sylvanas gives any shits about the Forsaken or her former brethren, the Blood Elves.

Garrosh isn't racist. His concern is the advancement of the entire Horde, including the other races. He used orcs as cannon-fodder against Theramore just as much as the other races. It's just that the orcs don't constantly whine about it, so Garrosh doesn't have as much reason to smack them down for insubordination. Garrosh would have shown the other Horde races magnanimity if they would shut their mouths and follow orders. Someone who is racist doesn't seek their approval.

He thought of Baine and Vol’jin. Garrosh had learned his lesson with Cairne’s death, and while the troll and tauren leaders irritated him to no end, he knew it would be foolishness to challenge either of them to ritual combat. They were loved and respected by their people, and both did have true loyalty to the Horde, if not to Garrosh individually. Soon, they would come to heel and acknowledge that his tactics had been beyond brilliant—indeed, that he had achieved more for the Horde than any leader, including the adored Thrall, had ever done.
Then they would honor him as well as the Horde, and he would show his magnanimity to them as he had with Captain Briln. Garrosh permitted a pleased, rather smug smile to curve his lips.
--Tides of War

[Frizzlewits]

hmm i really like them both
gonna kill garrosh tho haha, but i still like him.

sylvanas, well a few things comes to mind: hot sexy and boobs with darkness around her :O
2 bad she aint real.

[BHD]

Sylvanas has been written as a more gray-area character, whereas Garrosh is being written as a bad guy we need to defeat. We hate him because we're meant to hate him, and Blizzard are doing everything that they can to make it so. Just look at the comments on the frontpage post of the 5.4 cinematic, there were quite a few people who went all bananas and claimed that they finally wanted to bring this Warchief of ours down.

TL;DR Well done, Blizzard!

[ColbaneX]

Garrosh and Sylvanas are nothing alike. Garrosh wasn't always a bastard to the Horde, just the Alliance. Sylvanas has always been a terrible general and leader. In her short story she even admits while she was alive all her troops were merely arrows in her quiver. At least Garrosh gave a shit about his people and the Horde as a whole. They had to villify him in MoP because of all the disgruntled Alliance player complaining that Horde were being favored, despite all of classic and BC being Alliance favored, but I digress. Garrosh was an AMAZING character and they tossed him into the garbage can because of Alliance whiners. Amazing.

Edit: Oh yeah, more proof of this character assassination was Blizzard admitted that in the future they would think farther ahead in terms of the story. Amateur hour.

No. Stop touting around this crap that he got killed off because of Alliance whiners. Garrosh went from a whiny-baby douchebag, to a stubborn douchebag, to a raging, stubborn douchebag, to a ethnocentric, xenophobic, raging, stubborn douchebag.

[ophion1990]

I personally find Garrosh much cooler than Sylvanas, especially after 5.1 and the 5.4 trailer, he's a guy that leads from the front, and beats style, grace and stuff like that to death with an axe. 'Nuff said.

I like Garrosh more aswell, he's the strong warrior, leader of the orcs. Sure he has a few (or alot) kinks here and there, but all in all he's pretty badass. Sylvanas was insanely popular because of warcraft 3 and I personally loved her character because she was the leader of the undead who broke free from the Lich Kings grasp. Even in death she defied the man who defiled her homeland. Now she just turned into Lich King 2.0, she turned into the person she hated the most and doesn't really hold any of the ideals she used to. Worst of all she's on the verge of betraying the horde and killing them and the alliance... :/

[ColbaneX]

Personally I can't wait for Alleria to come back and back hand her baby sister back into death.

[Deleted]

Because Garrosh has about as much character depth as an Eastvale logging camp peon. Everything about him is so standard, boring and poorly written. He was badly developed as a villain from day 1.

As for Sylvannas, she seems to be more highly regarded and respected as a true villain. She is cunning, sly and calculative, as well as being evil through and through. Her attitude and villainous characteristics go way back. Most players experienced her turn from High elf and her descent into evil. She is one of the few villains Blizzard have done right.

The Sylvannas/gilneas conflict in silverpine is six-thousand times more interesting and well done than the frankly laughably bad Vol'jin and the world vs Garrosh conflict.

[Chrysia]

Personally, I like Sylvanas as a character better, because she's much more consistent. She's an amoral person forming alliances of convenience to give her people time to figure out how the fuck they're going to keep going.

Garrosh, on the other hand, spews crap about honor, and sacrifice, and moving beyond the legacy of the original Horde, and then goes and does the same dumb-fuck shit his dad did, without his dad's excuses or his dad's redeeming qualities.

[Almatari]

I could stand Sylvanas and the Forsaken if the story would stop forcing us to accept the Forsaken having some kind of moral high ground for why they act as they do.
WoW loves to use the low-hanging fruit of racism as a device to justify a lot of bad behavior. The Alliance is racist (ostensibly), therefore the Horde can hide behind victimhood.
The Forsaken suffered discrimination from humans, therefore they can lie, cheat, murder, backstab, and manipulate everyone around them because they were slighted by some humans. It's just too simplistic.
There's little Sylvanas can hide behind except her attractiveness to males and the mild panache in which she executes her plans.

[Mandragorn]

Lets see - Sylvanas is pretty much what you expect from an undead former minion of the lich king. Cold, heartless ect.

Garrosh - replaced Thrall, arguably one of the most loved characters in the franchise, murdered Cairne, another who people liked lore wise, and then outcast Vol'jin. 3 strikes and youre out. PS TROLL POWA MON

And thats all besides the going grom bloodlust betrayal on his own race.

[SodiumChloride]

Sylvanas doesn't talk down to us and treat us like dirt when we are in contact with her - a little grumpy, but that's it.

She is hot.

She has a tragic backstory. Garrosh was just an emo bitch.

She is hot.

She hasn't done anything really nutty yet to the rest of the Horde - like kill a fellow faction leader.

She is hot.

[Jessicka]

I think the difference is that Garrosh doesn't just want to win and conquer, he wants to rub it in everyones faces as a demonstration of superiority on top of that. Winning would never be enough for him, presumably because he doesn't actually know what he wants.

Sylvannas on the other hand has never really been about that, pre-Wrath she wanted Vengeance against Arthas at any cost; she got it and that was that - it was something she did for herself. Since then she's realised she'll be a long time undead, so she can play a much longer game than any of the faction leaders - again, she sets the agenda to her own ends. In either case, there's just no reason for her to be a dick about what she's doing because her goals and victories are very specific. She knows exactly what she wants and how to get it.

[Deleted]

Simple fact that sylvanas hasn't tried to assassinate us yet?

It's only a matter of time at this point.

Considering what happened in Western Plaguelands (Sylvanas taking away that DK for "training"), as well as inside Shadowfang Keep (the Forsaken forces ignoring a direct order not to use any plague), it's only a matter of time before she goes mad.