Opinion: SoO is going to damage LFR extensively

[facerollin]

With Flex raiding coming in, LFR should be removed.

[Frozenbeef]

With Flex raiding coming in, LFR should be removed.

how so? Does flex queue you automatically and group you with a group within 10minutes with no restraints?

[Asmekiel]

With Flex raiding coming in, LFR should be removed.

Except that they're not for the same group of people.

"Arena should be removed since we have rated battlegrounds"

[Keny]

LFR's are too easy to wipe on

[Tziva]

With Flex raiding coming in, LFR should be removed.

They serve different audiences, but by all means feel free to participate in one of our 947594070287545 remove-LFR threads. It's off topic discussion here.

Please don't turn this into a debate about LFR removal.

[Axelond]

The hole point of LFR is that no single bad player can wipe the raid even how bad they fail at mechanics (Yes a mage spreading combustion on spirit kings or stuff like that might kill the raid but that's just trolling and not a bad player). Any mechanics that require a single person to do something to not wipe the raid is usually removed or nullified to the point that it doesn't matter anymore. At the start of SoO LFR so many 540+ raiders will be running them and all you need is like 5 or so good geared people in a LFR run to make it super easy. Once HC raiders stop doing LFR you got the determination buff for another 50% damage, Healing and health and with that I doubt any group can't kill a LFR boss.

If you don't like the random nature of LFR or the douchebags you can stop doing LFR and instead start doing flex raid and eventually normal/HCs or find 24 other people and make a pre-made LFR run.

[Annarion]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're a lunatic. "A fair number?" 10 people on MMO-C? You're absolutely insane if anyone actually gives a rats ass about wiping Garrosh on LFR. How twisted of a perspective do you have if you think that the people that you've seen claiming that they'll do that contribute to even a fraction of 1% of the LFR population?

I'll be laughing all the way to my loot.

[Geminiel]

People are so paranoid lol

I am paranoid about Griefers in the same way I'm paranoid about Boss mechanics. If I don't account for these factors then I will truly not be prepared. Even in LFR on the more challenging bosses if you have a group of 25 people who have 0 clue what a boss is capable of you are going to have a bad time.

I choose to account for every Bosses unlisted spell called "Idiocy". It's an RNG spell you never know when someone is going to become intoxicated with Idiocy either by accident or premeditate.

The frequency of Idiocy is going to be higher in SoO due to the nature of the lore, it's not just some random Orc we're killing we are going to war with a Faction leader, this really hasn't been done before and the community is slightly torn over it. If you don't believe me just take a peak at how many Garrosh threads have been popping out since Cataclysm.

This game has never in its history had such a heated debate over a single in-game character. You may not be one of them but a relevant percentage of players empathize with Garry and would love to have the option to be on his side if given the opportunity. It is important to account for the people who will go out of their way to create that opportunity even if it occurs significantly less than I am imagining.

[Immitis]

Are you LFR's prepared for the people who will be intentionally wiping your raids?

As I have been talking to more people it's starting to become more evident that SoO LFR is going to be one of the most interesting experiences this game has recently had.

Trolls have always existed in this game Ninja'ing your loot and wiping your group but never has such an opportunity presented itself where a significant enough percentage of a player base wants to side with Garrosh Hellscream to the point of intentionally wiping Raids.

I have talked to a fair number of geared people who plan to LFR simply for this purpose and many others with LFR quality gear planning to do the same. I think this is going to be one of the most interesting raiding experiences in some time(I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing.)

The odds of getting a LFR without at least 1 person who will scheme against your raid I feel is very slim. These players are going to try and poison the rest of LFR players into doing the same thing simply to experience the game in a different way that they may find fun.(At others expense)

I'm sure enough of you will have your flex, normal and Heroic raids in which you can guild kick any who pull this kind of crap but I'm curious as to whether or not LFR players are making any preparations for this inevitability.

What are your guys thoughts on wiping LFR in the name of Garrosh, in the name of creativity or in the name of flat out harassment(all the motivation a real troll needs)

bc is considered the best expansion by a good number of "raiders" that should tell you the majority of people dont give a shit about the lore

[Frozenbeef]

bc is considered the best expansion by a good number of "raiders" that should tell you the majority of people dont give a shit about the lore

rather depressing :P Raiders ruin the entire point of an mmo >.<

[Deleted]

Are you LFR's prepared for the people who will be intentionally wiping your raids?

As I have been talking to more people it's starting to become more evident that SoO LFR is going to be one of the most interesting experiences this game has recently had.

Trolls have always existed in this game Ninja'ing your loot and wiping your group but never has such an opportunity presented itself where a significant enough percentage of a player base wants to side with Garrosh Hellscream to the point of intentionally wiping Raids.

I have talked to a fair number of geared people who plan to LFR simply for this purpose and many others with LFR quality gear planning to do the same. I think this is going to be one of the most interesting raiding experiences in some time(I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing.)

The odds of getting a LFR without at least 1 person who will scheme against your raid I feel is very slim. These players are going to try and poison the rest of LFR players into doing the same thing simply to experience the game in a different way that they may find fun.(At others expense)

I'm sure enough of you will have your flex, normal and Heroic raids in which you can guild kick any who pull this kind of crap but I'm curious as to whether or not LFR players are making any preparations for this inevitability.

What are your guys thoughts on wiping LFR in the name of Garrosh, in the name of creativity or in the name of flat out harassment(all the motivation a real troll needs)

Big thanks to the op.

I hadnt actully thought of doing this but now I intend to! and with a druid able to line up as a tank or healer itd be pretty easy to create a wipe.

Whats happening to garrosh is the complete opposite from the way id like to see the game and the horde go(cannot stand bloody carebear lore....the only alliance I want to see are those dead on the end of my blade!!!!!) and this is my chance to help the poor guy.

CHEERS OP!

[Geminiel]

bc is considered the best expansion by a good number of "raiders" that should tell you the majority of people dont give a shit about the lore

Most of us who cared about the story in BC simply used our imaginations to make it up

Perhaps I am in the minority but BC is easily my favourite expansion because I choose to look past Blizzard's mistakes and saw a game that had a bright future. Blizzard has a trend in their gaming development to release a game at a releasable stage and then perfect it with an expansion which was true of Starcraft, Diablo II & Warcraft III(can't comment on SC 2 haven't committed enough time) People generally forget the glaring flaws every Blizzard game has had at it's initial release. The thing that makes Blizzard a good company is that they actually support their games by continuing to develop them after release in order to perfect it.

Burning Crusade went a very long way in fixing Vanilla's flaws and did so in a very acceptable way. Shit was far from balanced but it was a hell of a lot better than Vanilla. Every class had some sort of viable role at the very least in both PvE and PvP(Excluding Arena which was and still is very lopsided, it is better now though.) which when taking Vanilla into account was a huge milestone. The problem is people expected BC to be some kind of holy grail to turn WoW into a work of Omnipotence(I am over exaggerating).

Burning Crusade's story left a lot to be desired(Why did we kill Illidan again, oh thats right because some homicidal bitch had been hunting him down since he escaped from prison and without rhyme or reason we decided to catch the spell of her insanity) but Blizzard went a long way to correct that in WotLK and people still bitched. I really don't think Blizzard has had a bad expansion to date, each one has gone a long way in solidifying this game's playability and while Blizzard has made many mistakes on this path I believe, for the most part, their intentions are to make this game legendary.

[Coolascancer]

my thought on this are that its great. sure it will piss me off if im trying to run an lfr and some guy trolls us, but that is the point of playing an mmo, otherwise go play a single player game. this feeling of entitlement should have never been introduced into the game. the people trolling OMG PAY FIFTEEN A MONTH so they are allowed to do as they please with their time right? if the only enjoyment i get out of life is to make your day harder then isnt it logical and right for me to do so? i wish more things in the game were necessary and trollable, would probably thin the population out which is only a good thing. when there is no chance of failure its not really fun, of course if theres no chance of success its not fun either.

[Rizendragon]

Think though for a second about how feasible this really was when WotLK was out.

What would a douchebag do? Apply and join a guild in order to wipe raids? Guild would ban and blacklist on the entire server, too much effort for something like this.
The only real option would have been to join a PuG and scheme against them, which would also lead to server Blacklisting.

LFR allows people to secure their anonymity and pull off these things with a minimal consequence of a vote kick and a maximum consequence of a ban. How is Blizzard going to easily differentiate people trying to covertly wipe raids and people who unintentionally go full retard?

I meant the concept of siding with Garrosh not the reality of trying to wipe an entire ICC pug/guild group/GDKP run.

I guess so. You can't hate the Alliance and hate Garrosh at the same time though (unless you just hate everyone that isn't your fave race(s) as I do)

You can hate the Alliance and Garrosh at the same time. It's about realizing that your king is off his rocker and needs to be put down. When he starts attacking his own a ruler needs to be dethroned, and that is where Garrosh is at. It's the all or nothing "you're with me or against me" attitude that led him to this point, and he needs to be dealt with harshly.

[ItachiZaku]

None of that by itself won't make a difference. LFR is faceroll, it will be easy as always and near impossible to wipe. If any of it is slightly tricky, it will be nerfed quick.

Now a group could cause problems, but you have to be slightly retarded to even want to waste your time.

We wiped twice on Jin'rokh over the weekend. Twice. I hadn't come close to wiping on him the months of farming ToT. There weren't any bad eggs, just low DPS. I'd certainly think about doing the bad things, but like you said... it's a waste of an hour (queue and raid), I really wouldn't even bother unless the group really was being unruly. In which case I'd just go watch porn or something.

[Deleted]

I dont get these people saying its impossable to wipe on lfr.....if your a tank or healer then you can pretty easily wipe the group......either by stopping healing the tank or delibratly overpulling/dying as a tank

[Deleted]

Trolls have always existed in this game Ninja'ing your loot and wiping your group but never has such an opportunity presented itself where a significant enough percentage of a player base wants to side with Garrosh Hellscream to the point of intentionally wiping Raids.

[snip]

What are your guys thoughts on wiping LFR in the name of Garrosh, in the name of creativity or in the name of flat out harassment(all the motivation a real troll needs)

What? Trolls want to side with Garrosh? This is unheard of!

Anyway, can't you see the irony in your choice of words? Heh.

[Duncanîdaho]

Oh? Queue as mistweaver, we have taunts. Priest can life grip tanks. Paladin's can throw bubbles. Hunters can misdirect etc. Idiots find ways.

And i have a votekick that people mindlessly click yes to. Problem solved. Anyone that intentionally wipes the group gets votekicked.

Definitely not "creative" either like the OP states. Just a giant waste of time. Garrosh is still going to die in the lore, so wiping the group for the 'glory of the true horde' is a pretty damn big waste of time that changes and proves nothing. Actually it does prove the person doing it lacks brain cells.

[ItachiZaku]

You can hate the Alliance and Garrosh at the same time. It's about realizing that your king is off his rocker and needs to be put down. When he starts attacking his own a ruler needs to be dethroned, and that is where Garrosh is at. It's the all or nothing "you're with me or against me" attitude that led him to this point, and he needs to be dealt with harshly.

I always pictured Garry as being more on the "if you are not with me, you are against me... so GTFO!" mindset. And his bloodlust for crushing the Alliance. I'm with him. I didn't earn "Battlemaster" and "of the Horde" by being a pussy, it was my love of killing the Alliance. #TeamGarrosh

[Deleted]

And i have a votekick that people mindlessly click yes to. Problem solved. Anyone that intentionally wipes the group gets votekicked.

Definitely not "creative" either like the OP states. Just a giant waste of time. Garrosh is still going to die in the lore, so wiping the group for the 'glory of the true horde' is a pretty damn big waste of time that changes and proves nothing. Actually it does prove the person doing it lacks brain cells.

Oh Get a sense of humour!...what better way to roleplay anyway then secretly help the hero of the horde!

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Yeah, there's always people that can effectively counter it. You know the only times I've had to use Hand of Protection? Durumu, solo tank - kept popping it up when the tank asked and replacing it with Freedom to remove HoP. It removes the stacks, but the tank only loses threat for a second. When I'd used up both HoP I had, I'd use Hand of Sacrifice to soak some of the damage, at least until someone else could pop another HoP on him (assuming the other Paladins were smart enough). When I died due to life drain (no one nearby to take it off of me and I figure I was OOR of healers), I noticed none of the other Paladins were removing his stacks. Being a DK tank, he ressed me, and I carried on with it, allowing us to finish the fight without a problem. I've had priests life grip my lock when I got stunned and stuck in the 'ice lines' on Iron Qon meaning I couldn't move out of them.

I've misdirected the bats on Tortos to the offtank so our healers don't go splat. I've popped Freezing Traps down behind healers that might get aggro on adds before the tank can. I've used Hand of Salvation on those exceptionally geared DPS that managed to pull off of inexperienced and low geared tanks, just so that they could keep DPSing and the tank wouldn't get frustrated with their experience. I've kited Garalon on 3 different characters, one of them who was still geared in mostly blues, because I know how the mechanic works and because I trust myself to do it properly. I've soaked the cleave on Garalon as ret because I've got enough experience as a tank AND as DPS to know how to survive alongside the one tank who knew the fight. I've also soaked it on my Destro lock with 1 tank, because again, I know how to survive it.

Not related to LFR, but rather to the Barrens commanders, I've often kited them on my hunter with Distracting shot (if there's no proper tank around, and my pet isn't able to tank it for whatever reason such as the poison bombs that would stop melee from DPSing), and I've even kited them as ret with RF up and using Judgement.

The only role I haven't played in LFR is healer, but I'm levelling a Resto druid right now, and so I'll be joining LFR sometime in the next few weeks. From there, I truly expect that I'll be able to find another area I can excel in on yet another class. It might be something simple like again, soaking or kiting on Garalon (because as a mostly HoT-based healer, I figure I can do either of those things relatively well), or it might be something like popping Cenarion Ward up on that DPS that's about to die to Life Drain, or rushing across the area a fight is taking place in to resurrect that 1 person who got unlucky and targeted by several boss abilities in a short time.

There's thousands of people that do these sorts of things. You often don't notice it, but there's plenty of us that go the extra mile to make sure that LFR is a success. It's not often we need to work that little bit harder, but when we do, we're ready to act. I'm nothing out of the ordinary, I'm just 1 guy who does have the potential to counter those who'd like to sabotage a raid (at least in most cases) or those who don't actually know the fights. I've raided LFR at different times of the week and it makes little to no difference. This week was the first time I intentionally saw someone try to sabotage a raid - life grip the tank on Megeara before we'd got everyone ready, resulting in it breathing on the entire raid, resulting in a wipe. They'd done it 5 times apparently, and I was only there for 1 of these wipes before that person was kicked. Before that, I've never seen anyone intentionally grief LFR, and this is running it on 2 characters since 5.2 launched, and on my third character for the past 3 weeks.

Griefers won't succeed in any raid I'm in, unless there's a significant proportion of them. The issue basically does not exist. There's more people there that want to complete the run without problem than there are that want to sabotage it. There's always at least 1 person, usually more, in each run that will go the extra mile to make sure we finish the fight.

THAT is the funniest post ive read in a while....you really do belive your the champion of righteousness dont you? sadact more like haha

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im nothing out of the ordinary....im just 1 guy! please pay attention to me when im claiming im the difference between your raid wiping in a video game or not....SOMEONE NOTICE ME (Synthaxx)

Infracted.