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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    None of that by itself won't make a difference. LFR is faceroll, it will be easy as always and near impossible to wipe. If any of it is slightly tricky, it will be nerfed quick.

    Now a group could cause problems, but you have to be slightly retarded to even want to waste your time.
    We wiped twice on Jin'rokh over the weekend. Twice. I hadn't come close to wiping on him the months of farming ToT. There weren't any bad eggs, just low DPS. I'd certainly think about doing the bad things, but like you said... it's a waste of an hour (queue and raid), I really wouldn't even bother unless the group really was being unruly. In which case I'd just go watch porn or something.

  2. #62
    I dont get these people saying its impossable to wipe on lfr.....if your a tank or healer then you can pretty easily wipe the group......either by stopping healing the tank or delibratly overpulling/dying as a tank

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiel View Post
    Trolls have always existed in this game Ninja'ing your loot and wiping your group but never has such an opportunity presented itself where a significant enough percentage of a player base wants to side with Garrosh Hellscream to the point of intentionally wiping Raids.

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    What are your guys thoughts on wiping LFR in the name of Garrosh, in the name of creativity or in the name of flat out harassment(all the motivation a real troll needs)
    What? Trolls want to side with Garrosh? This is unheard of!

    Anyway, can't you see the irony in your choice of words? Heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiZaku View Post
    Oh? Queue as mistweaver, we have taunts. Priest can life grip tanks. Paladin's can throw bubbles. Hunters can misdirect etc. Idiots find ways.
    And i have a votekick that people mindlessly click yes to. Problem solved. Anyone that intentionally wipes the group gets votekicked.

    Definitely not "creative" either like the OP states. Just a giant waste of time. Garrosh is still going to die in the lore, so wiping the group for the 'glory of the true horde' is a pretty damn big waste of time that changes and proves nothing. Actually it does prove the person doing it lacks brain cells.
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Rizendragon View Post
    You can hate the Alliance and Garrosh at the same time. It's about realizing that your king is off his rocker and needs to be put down. When he starts attacking his own a ruler needs to be dethroned, and that is where Garrosh is at. It's the all or nothing "you're with me or against me" attitude that led him to this point, and he needs to be dealt with harshly.
    I always pictured Garry as being more on the "if you are not with me, you are against me... so GTFO!" mindset. And his bloodlust for crushing the Alliance. I'm with him. I didn't earn "Battlemaster" and "of the Horde" by being a pussy, it was my love of killing the Alliance. #TeamGarrosh

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiZaku View Post
    Oh? Queue as mistweaver, we have taunts. Priest can life grip tanks. Paladin's can throw bubbles. Hunters can misdirect etc. Idiots find ways.
    Yeah, there's always people that can effectively counter it. You know the only times I've had to use Hand of Protection? Durumu, solo tank - kept popping it up when the tank asked and replacing it with Freedom to remove HoP. It removes the stacks, but the tank only loses threat for a second. When I'd used up both HoP I had, I'd use Hand of Sacrifice to soak some of the damage, at least until someone else could pop another HoP on him (assuming the other Paladins were smart enough). When I died due to life drain (no one nearby to take it off of me and I figure I was OOR of healers), I noticed none of the other Paladins were removing his stacks. Being a DK tank, he ressed me, and I carried on with it, allowing us to finish the fight without a problem. I've had priests life grip my lock when I got stunned and stuck in the 'ice lines' on Iron Qon meaning I couldn't move out of them.

    I've misdirected the bats on Tortos to the offtank so our healers don't go splat. I've popped Freezing Traps down behind healers that might get aggro on adds before the tank can. I've used Hand of Salvation on those exceptionally geared DPS that managed to pull off of inexperienced and low geared tanks, just so that they could keep DPSing and the tank wouldn't get frustrated with their experience. I've kited Garalon on 3 different characters, one of them who was still geared in mostly blues, because I know how the mechanic works and because I trust myself to do it properly. I've soaked the cleave on Garalon as ret because I've got enough experience as a tank AND as DPS to know how to survive alongside the one tank who knew the fight. I've also soaked it on my Destro lock with 1 tank, because again, I know how to survive it.

    Not related to LFR, but rather to the Barrens commanders, I've often kited them on my hunter with Distracting shot (if there's no proper tank around, and my pet isn't able to tank it for whatever reason such as the poison bombs that would stop melee from DPSing), and I've even kited them as ret with RF up and using Judgement.

    The only role I haven't played in LFR is healer, but I'm levelling a Resto druid right now, and so I'll be joining LFR sometime in the next few weeks. From there, I truly expect that I'll be able to find another area I can excel in on yet another class. It might be something simple like again, soaking or kiting on Garalon (because as a mostly HoT-based healer, I figure I can do either of those things relatively well), or it might be something like popping Cenarion Ward up on that DPS that's about to die to Life Drain, or rushing across the area a fight is taking place in to resurrect that 1 person who got unlucky and targeted by several boss abilities in a short time.

    There's thousands of people that do these sorts of things. You often don't notice it, but there's plenty of us that go the extra mile to make sure that LFR is a success. It's not often we need to work that little bit harder, but when we do, we're ready to act. I'm nothing out of the ordinary, I'm just 1 guy who does have the potential to counter those who'd like to sabotage a raid (at least in most cases) or those who don't actually know the fights. I've raided LFR at different times of the week and it makes little to no difference. This week was the first time I intentionally saw someone try to sabotage a raid - life grip the tank on Megeara before we'd got everyone ready, resulting in it breathing on the entire raid, resulting in a wipe. They'd done it 5 times apparently, and I was only there for 1 of these wipes before that person was kicked. Before that, I've never seen anyone intentionally grief LFR, and this is running it on 2 characters since 5.2 launched, and on my third character for the past 3 weeks.

    Griefers won't succeed in any raid I'm in, unless there's a significant proportion of them. The issue basically does not exist. There's more people there that want to complete the run without problem than there are that want to sabotage it. There's always at least 1 person, usually more, in each run that will go the extra mile to make sure we finish the fight.
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  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Duncanîdaho View Post
    And i have a votekick that people mindlessly click yes to. Problem solved. Anyone that intentionally wipes the group gets votekicked.

    Definitely not "creative" either like the OP states. Just a giant waste of time. Garrosh is still going to die in the lore, so wiping the group for the 'glory of the true horde' is a pretty damn big waste of time that changes and proves nothing. Actually it does prove the person doing it lacks brain cells.
    Oh Get a sense of humour!...what better way to roleplay anyway then secretly help the hero of the horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
    Yeah, there's always people that can effectively counter it. You know the only times I've had to use Hand of Protection? Durumu, solo tank - kept popping it up when the tank asked and replacing it with Freedom to remove HoP. It removes the stacks, but the tank only loses threat for a second. When I'd used up both HoP I had, I'd use Hand of Sacrifice to soak some of the damage, at least until someone else could pop another HoP on him (assuming the other Paladins were smart enough). When I died due to life drain (no one nearby to take it off of me and I figure I was OOR of healers), I noticed none of the other Paladins were removing his stacks. Being a DK tank, he ressed me, and I carried on with it, allowing us to finish the fight without a problem. I've had priests life grip my lock when I got stunned and stuck in the 'ice lines' on Iron Qon meaning I couldn't move out of them.

    I've misdirected the bats on Tortos to the offtank so our healers don't go splat. I've popped Freezing Traps down behind healers that might get aggro on adds before the tank can. I've used Hand of Salvation on those exceptionally geared DPS that managed to pull off of inexperienced and low geared tanks, just so that they could keep DPSing and the tank wouldn't get frustrated with their experience. I've kited Garalon on 3 different characters, one of them who was still geared in mostly blues, because I know how the mechanic works and because I trust myself to do it properly. I've soaked the cleave on Garalon as ret because I've got enough experience as a tank AND as DPS to know how to survive alongside the one tank who knew the fight. I've also soaked it on my Destro lock with 1 tank, because again, I know how to survive it.

    Not related to LFR, but rather to the Barrens commanders, I've often kited them on my hunter with Distracting shot (if there's no proper tank around, and my pet isn't able to tank it for whatever reason such as the poison bombs that would stop melee from DPSing), and I've even kited them as ret with RF up and using Judgement.

    The only role I haven't played in LFR is healer, but I'm levelling a Resto druid right now, and so I'll be joining LFR sometime in the next few weeks. From there, I truly expect that I'll be able to find another area I can excel in on yet another class. It might be something simple like again, soaking or kiting on Garalon (because as a mostly HoT-based healer, I figure I can do either of those things relatively well), or it might be something like popping Cenarion Ward up on that DPS that's about to die to Life Drain, or rushing across the area a fight is taking place in to resurrect that 1 person who got unlucky and targeted by several boss abilities in a short time.

    There's thousands of people that do these sorts of things. You often don't notice it, but there's plenty of us that go the extra mile to make sure that LFR is a success. It's not often we need to work that little bit harder, but when we do, we're ready to act. I'm nothing out of the ordinary, I'm just 1 guy who does have the potential to counter those who'd like to sabotage a raid (at least in most cases) or those who don't actually know the fights. I've raided LFR at different times of the week and it makes little to no difference. This week was the first time I intentionally saw someone try to sabotage a raid - life grip the tank on Megeara before we'd got everyone ready, resulting in it breathing on the entire raid, resulting in a wipe. They'd done it 5 times apparently, and I was only there for 1 of these wipes before that person was kicked. Before that, I've never seen anyone intentionally grief LFR, and this is running it on 2 characters since 5.2 launched, and on my third character for the past 3 weeks.

    Griefers won't succeed in any raid I'm in, unless there's a significant proportion of them. The issue basically does not exist. There's more people there that want to complete the run without problem than there are that want to sabotage it. There's always at least 1 person, usually more, in each run that will go the extra mile to make sure we finish the fight.
    THAT is the funniest post ive read in a while....you really do belive your the champion of righteousness dont you? sadact more like haha

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    im nothing out of the ordinary....im just 1 guy! please pay attention to me when im claiming im the difference between your raid wiping in a video game or not....SOMEONE NOTICE ME (Synthaxx)

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  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    What? Trolls want to side with Garrosh? This is unheard of!

    Anyway, can't you see the irony in your choice of words? Heh.
    I did notice it but I couldn't come up with a way to imply it that satisfied me so I figured I would let someone else. I feel like we could have an Xzibit pic for the Trolls that will perform these actions

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  9. #69
    Is this for real? Do you actually think people will regularly and constantly wipe (when\if possible) LFR encounters because they wan't to side with Garrosh? Really? ok... why did i even bother.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Derpette View Post
    Sometimes it's possible. Recall killing tentacles on spine, killing wrong arm on madness, stack up with arcane resonance on feng, go stand under garalon continuously. Most have been removed in ToT it seems tho, just tanks can really wipe the raid easily nowadays (have always and will always be the case).
    A good troll can pull all the trash before Horridon, Tortos, Megaera then die... drop cinders in the middle of all the healers.. stack with the tank so they get voidzones on Ji-Kun or Durumu, kill slimes so they heal Primordius so you can get big numbers when everyone else is just trying to focus him down, chase the tank with Crimson Wake on Dark Animus. I've seen people do all of this, intentionally and unintentionally. There's a lot of rich opportunities for trolls in ToT.

  11. #71
    sure only idiots like yourself would even think of something so stupid as to do this
    but youll be kicked over and over and blizz will see a pattern and ban you and rightly so

  12. #72
    If flex is successful (and it will be) most "good" players who were carrying lfr's (for valor points, legendary quests, boredom...) will stop doing it thus making lfr even worse than it is now.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarazet View Post
    A good troll can pull all the trash before Horridon, Tortos, Megaera then die... drop cinders in the middle of all the healers.. stack with the tank so they get voidzones on Ji-Kun or Durumu, kill slimes so they heal Primordius so you can get big numbers when everyone else is just trying to focus him down, chase the tank with Crimson Wake on Dark Animus. I've seen people do all of this, intentionally and unintentionally. There's a lot of rich opportunities for trolls in ToT.
    Considering the probable layout of Orgrimmar for SoO I imagine it won't be as gated as some raids and additional mobs will be within pulling distance for those who are planning to do this sort of thing as you mentioned in ToT. It is going to be interesting to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerna View Post
    If flex is successful (and it will be) most "good" players who were carrying lfr's (for valor points, legendary quests, boredom...) will stop doing it thus making lfr even worse than it is now.
    This is kind of where my opinion is heading as I continue to contemplate. Many LFR's only do it because they don't have an option to raid Normal(due to difficulty and preparation) and will embrace flex with open arms, actively abandoning LFR. LFR is only going to get worse, increasing the Percentage of noobs and trolls proportionately.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
    Wall of text.
    I'm usually the same on monk, the amount of times I'm #2 in damage taken (shit, even on my shaman) to taunt off healers or to get shit under control when the off tank isn't taunting off Horridon etc, you'd be amazed. But a determined troll finds ways.

  15. #75
    hahaha 'siding with garrosh' that's fuckin hilarious.
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  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Just like we never saw DK's side with the Lich King in ICC. And that's not sarcasm - we never did. I can't imagine this would be any different
    That's a little different, as there was no ICC LFR, so anyone doing something that stupid would be dealt with swiftly and severely by the raid leader. As opposed to LFR where people are often unwilling to kick for some stupid reason and just sit around going "duuuuuuuuuuuuhhh".

    That's pretty much my attitude: I hate to blame the victim, but Blizzard gives us the tools to deal with these idiots. When people have the ability to respond to this abuse and stop it but don't, either by conscious choice or just stupid cow-like complacency, well the behavior isn't their fault but they kind of deserve it at that point.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    I think what will hurt LFR the most is the lack of incentive to keep running it, unless one plans to move on to Flex.
    Hasn't happened yet. Flex isn't going to hurt LFR. The majority will still do LFR. Not everyone is going to have access to Flex. Just as not everyone had access to trade chat pugs in expansions past.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Hasn't happened yet.
    The last tier is different.

    The incentive to run LFR now is to be able to run LFR (and other content Blizzard might have introduced) later. But that incentive doesn't apply in the last tier, unless you think Blizzard is going to spring some new surprise that (1) you'll really want to do, and (2) will require > ilvl 500 gear.
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  19. #79
    You can't really "Damage LFR" more than it already is, let's be honest.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Csnyder View Post
    sure only idiots like yourself would even think of something so stupid as to do this
    but youll be kicked over and over and blizz will see a pattern and ban you and rightly so
    Where exactly in any post I have submitted have I claimed I will be performing these actions? I'm not trying to fear monger but if you have played this game for any significant length of time you must understand that a relevant percentage of the player base, given the opportunity, will grief the shit out of people. This is a big opportunity for those people and while I have stated I may be over exaggerating it slightly, I guarantee this raid will be griefed more than any other Raid in WoW's lifespan due to its nature.

    We've had people blowing up the auction house for fun, people spreading the ZG disease for fun, we had the zombie apocalypse, people actively hunt down and kill players who are weaker than them for fun and even camp them until they log out in the name of PvP. Some people will grief in any opportunity they are given and this entire Raid, due to lore, is a huge reason for many players to develop an excuse to do so.

    This isn't the end of WoW but the LFR experience is about to get a lot worse.

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