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  1. #101
    OP's opinion is predicated on the belief that the qualities Horde, raider, and roleplayer can potentially co-exist.

    However, if RP servers are any indication, you can only pick two.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Salted Beef View Post
    OP's opinion is predicated on the belief that the qualities Horde, raider, and roleplayer can potentially co-exist.

    However, if RP servers are any indication, you can only pick two.
    An RP server is generally a commitment to RP as your highest priority in your gaming experience. An RP server is a very poor indication of how people play off of RP servers. For example myself and many friends play on a standard PvP Server, we Raid, we Stir shit up in WPvP, we play battlegrounds and we set time aside to RP. On an RP server your statement may hold some truth with a certain percentage of players due to the priorities they set but I have met many people who have all of the qualities you described as being incompatible and they generally don't play on RP servers.

    One does not require an RP server in order to RP. I find RPing more fun on non-RP servers, some people take shit way to seriously on RP servers.

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    For me the real question is, will there be anything as fun as summoning your Dragon Soul LFR group to Malyos. Doing that every week was utter hillarity, AND got a ton of people the achieve, and more than 1 person a mount as well.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    For me the real question is, will there be anything as fun as summoning your Dragon Soul LFR group to Malyos. Doing that every week was utter hillarity, AND got a ton of people the achieve, and more than 1 person a mount as well.

    One can only hope happy accidents like this intertwine with the game play more often.

  5. #105
    Reporting someone and later learning they've been banned is the sweetest form of PvP.

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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    I think you might be stirring up something that doesn't exist (like the "omg, everyone wearing vanity helms is getting kicked from LFR") - until I see something like this really happen I won't imagine it actually does.
    There was proof but you guys locked the thread. I guess you'll never know now, too bad so sad.

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiel View Post
    Are you LFR's prepared for the people who will be intentionally wiping your raids?

    As I have been talking to more people it's starting to become more evident that SoO LFR is going to be one of the most interesting experiences this game has recently had.

    Trolls have always existed in this game Ninja'ing your loot and wiping your group but never has such an opportunity presented itself where a significant enough percentage of a player base wants to side with Garrosh Hellscream to the point of intentionally wiping Raids.

    I have talked to a fair number of geared people who plan to LFR simply for this purpose and many others with LFR quality gear planning to do the same. I think this is going to be one of the most interesting raiding experiences in some time(I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing.)

    The odds of getting a LFR without at least 1 person who will scheme against your raid I feel is very slim. These players are going to try and poison the rest of LFR players into doing the same thing simply to experience the game in a different way that they may find fun.(At others expense)

    I'm sure enough of you will have your flex, normal and Heroic raids in which you can guild kick any who pull this kind of crap but I'm curious as to whether or not LFR players are making any preparations for this inevitability.

    What are your guys thoughts on wiping LFR in the name of Garrosh, in the name of creativity or in the name of flat out harassment(all the motivation a real troll needs)

    Opinion Update: Flex raiding will give most LFR's, who only do it do to lack of time to commit to normal raiding, the option to leave. This means the more experienced players who LFR will be reducing, proportionately increasing the number of inexperienced players and LFR Trolls into the overall experience.
    You can't be serious.

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    Nobody except for tank can wipe the raid in LFR really. And who cares if i wipe 3-5 times before debuff on boss rises to the point he's one-shotable

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiel View Post

    Opinion Update: Flex raiding will give most LFR's, who only do it do to lack of time to commit to normal raiding, the option to leave. This means the more experienced players who LFR will be reducing, proportionately increasing the number of inexperienced players and LFR Trolls into the overall experience.
    No it won't. Flex still requires people to commit to a specific schedule and commit to being there for a set amount of time. LFR will still be the go to for people who simply do not want to commit to those things.

    On the topic of griefing, there have been people right here on MMO-C that have said they kicked people out of LFR for having store bought helms. I have no doubt that these kind of, excuse the expression, assholes, will try to grief LFR. But I suspect that the actual numbers of people like this are small and that those that actually do this will get bored when they figure out that they didn't think their cunning plan through.
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by samthing View Post
    If that's the case, Blizzard will just weed out all abuseable mechanics until they can achieve satisfactory LFR complete percentage.
    ^ This. I really think that thus far, Blizzard has done exactly that. From my personal experience, i can say that LFR and normal mode raids differ in mechanics to an extent that the encounter actually becomes different, not necessarily harder. I think it has to do with people wanting to wipe raids in LFR, and blizzard knowing that people who raid normal and heroic versions wont be doing that sort of stuff.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Shawthys View Post
    ^ This. I really think that thus far, Blizzard has done exactly that. From my personal experience, i can say that LFR and normal mode raids differ in mechanics to an extent that the encounter actually becomes different, not necessarily harder. I think it has to do with people wanting to wipe raids in LFR, and blizzard knowing that people who raid normal and heroic versions wont be doing that sort of stuff.
    I'm thinking Blizzard should add a mechanism where you really have to go out of your way to invoke, but that seriously negatively affects the raid.

    Then they should watch to see who uses it a lot, and ban them.

    Think of it as a honeypot for griefers.
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  12. #112
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    i don't think its going to be a problem, ive not had many bad experiences in LFR at all. if someone intentionally wipes the raid, they will just get kicked, or if thats not an option i just don't heal people that are being idiots, usually get the other healers to do the same.
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  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiel View Post
    An RP server is generally a commitment to RP as your highest priority in your gaming experience. An RP server is a very poor indication of how people play off of RP servers. For example myself and many friends play on a standard PvP Server, we Raid, we Stir shit up in WPvP, we play battlegrounds and we set time aside to RP. On an RP server your statement may hold some truth with a certain percentage of players due to the priorities they set but I have met many people who have all of the qualities you described as being incompatible and they generally don't play on RP servers.

    One does not require an RP server in order to RP. I find RPing more fun on non-RP servers, some people take shit way to seriously on RP servers.
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  14. #114
    The only time I've seen single players do everything to wipe a raid where in DS on Spine. And I believe that was more lacking knowledge and stupidity than bad intentions. They removed most of the possibilities to wipe a LFR raid in ToT, let's wait and see what SoO brings to it.

    And even if it were the case, sometime, I don't think it will be that bad that every LFR has someone in it trying to wipe the raid.

    I see also many parallels to ganking / camping low level players. Player A has fun, while ruining player B's fun. "Go PvE servers" <> "Don't join LFR". And Blizz does nothing there, so it won't do anything against intentional LFR wipers. Except the problem goes completely out of hand and too many players do it, which as stated I don't think will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizendragon View Post
    You must be doing LFR exclusively on Tuesday between 10am and 3pm. Outside of that you have the baddies and trolls to deal with...

    OT: I won't be a happy DK if this happens.
    I only have bad LFR's if I do them on Monday night before the reset. Even then most of the bosses go smooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post
    In that case you may as well remove everything but auto-attack from LFR enemies. And in that case, you may as well just queue up for free loot. And in THAT case you may as well remove LFR and put that gear up for points instead.

    In short, LFR was doomed from the beginning. It's only a matter of time before it goes away again.
    Your tears are so salty. I imagine LFR will go away when WoW does...about 15 years from now.

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Just like we never saw DKs side with the Lich King in ICC. And that's not sarcasm - we never did. I can't imagine this would be any different
    Then again player DKs were established from the very beginning against LK - there wasn't this awkward situation of "o yea gais ul be fiting ur own warchief on xpacs end yo".
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  17. #117
    I think you're exaggerating the problem by a lot.

  18. #118
    It'd be great if players actually could actively roleplay for / against Garrosh. I don't really foresee rampant stunts being pulled anymore than normal (though I do believe that LFR queue times will get quite long in a very short amount of time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiel View Post
    but the nature of the lore is going to guide more people down this path simply because there are people who actually want to side with Garrosh and if they want to badly enough they will go out of their way to try.
    This is the first I've heard of an option "to side with Garrosh". I very much doubt that the raid will include any such thing. Garrosh will wipe the entire raid, all 25 players, and not have some sort of special function whereby he spares the lives of certain loyal players who /highfive or /cheer him or something.

    And if you think that griefers are always looking for ways to actively "RP" their griefing ... then you're deluded.

  20. #120
    Well it is bannable offense, category Zone/Area Disruption: "Disruption of player sponsored events or gatherings".

    I think Blizzard should take closer look on wtf is happening on raiding scene. A lot of those "trolls" and grievers are just people who are upset that demand for boosts in raids for real money was reduced, and who try to hide their RMT activity. Though the more noise is made, the higher chance that their provocation will make someone start calling out names.

    RMT people and people provoked by them should understand that LFR-sabotage is crossing any possible limits, and backfire might be much greater than they expect. They won't be able to hide their RMT-activity forever if they will keep going like this instead of dealing with decline in demand (general decline of game + LFR satisfying needs of some people) and higher competition (a lot of shady sides now where guilds incognito sell their raid boosts).

    P.S.: And those "poor" trolls who would try to do sabotage after reading this thread or simply as result of provocation, they should try to use their own brains and not someone's else. Tbh, the whole original post smells like provocation and hideous form of LFR-bashing same time.

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