Opinion: SoO is going to damage LFR extensively

[Lord Blackmore]

Opinion Update: Flex raiding will give most LFR's, who only do it do to lack of time to commit to normal raiding, the option to leave. This means the more experienced players who LFR will be reducing, proportionately increasing the number of inexperienced players and LFR Trolls into the overall experience.

No it won't. Flex still requires people to commit to a specific schedule and commit to being there for a set amount of time. LFR will still be the go to for people who simply do not want to commit to those things.

On the topic of griefing, there have been people right here on MMO-C that have said they kicked people out of LFR for having store bought helms. I have no doubt that these kind of, excuse the expression, assholes, will try to grief LFR. But I suspect that the actual numbers of people like this are small and that those that actually do this will get bored when they figure out that they didn't think their cunning plan through.

[Shawthys]

If that's the case, Blizzard will just weed out all abuseable mechanics until they can achieve satisfactory LFR complete percentage.

^ This. I really think that thus far, Blizzard has done exactly that. From my personal experience, i can say that LFR and normal mode raids differ in mechanics to an extent that the encounter actually becomes different, not necessarily harder. I think it has to do with people wanting to wipe raids in LFR, and blizzard knowing that people who raid normal and heroic versions wont be doing that sort of stuff.

[Osmeric]

^ This. I really think that thus far, Blizzard has done exactly that. From my personal experience, i can say that LFR and normal mode raids differ in mechanics to an extent that the encounter actually becomes different, not necessarily harder. I think it has to do with people wanting to wipe raids in LFR, and blizzard knowing that people who raid normal and heroic versions wont be doing that sort of stuff.

I'm thinking Blizzard should add a mechanism where you really have to go out of your way to invoke, but that seriously negatively affects the raid.

Then they should watch to see who uses it a lot, and ban them.

Think of it as a honeypot for griefers.

[serenka]

i don't think its going to be a problem, ive not had many bad experiences in LFR at all. if someone intentionally wipes the raid, they will just get kicked, or if thats not an option i just don't heal people that are being idiots, usually get the other healers to do the same.

[Gnarles Malarkey]

An RP server is generally a commitment to RP as your highest priority in your gaming experience. An RP server is a very poor indication of how people play off of RP servers. For example myself and many friends play on a standard PvP Server, we Raid, we Stir shit up in WPvP, we play battlegrounds and we set time aside to RP. On an RP server your statement may hold some truth with a certain percentage of players due to the priorities they set but I have met many people who have all of the qualities you described as being incompatible and they generally don't play on RP servers.

One does not require an RP server in order to RP. I find RPing more fun on non-RP servers, some people take shit way to seriously on RP servers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

[Deleted]

The only time I've seen single players do everything to wipe a raid where in DS on Spine. And I believe that was more lacking knowledge and stupidity than bad intentions. They removed most of the possibilities to wipe a LFR raid in ToT, let's wait and see what SoO brings to it.

And even if it were the case, sometime, I don't think it will be that bad that every LFR has someone in it trying to wipe the raid.

I see also many parallels to ganking / camping low level players. Player A has fun, while ruining player B's fun. "Go PvE servers" <> "Don't join LFR". And Blizz does nothing there, so it won't do anything against intentional LFR wipers. Except the problem goes completely out of hand and too many players do it, which as stated I don't think will happen.

[Tharkkun]

You must be doing LFR exclusively on Tuesday between 10am and 3pm. Outside of that you have the baddies and trolls to deal with...

OT: I won't be a happy DK if this happens.

I only have bad LFR's if I do them on Monday night before the reset. Even then most of the bosses go smooth.

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In that case you may as well remove everything but auto-attack from LFR enemies. And in that case, you may as well just queue up for free loot. And in THAT case you may as well remove LFR and put that gear up for points instead.

In short, LFR was doomed from the beginning. It's only a matter of time before it goes away again.

Your tears are so salty. I imagine LFR will go away when WoW does...about 15 years from now.

[Deleted]

Just like we never saw DKs side with the Lich King in ICC. And that's not sarcasm - we never did. I can't imagine this would be any different

Then again player DKs were established from the very beginning against LK - there wasn't this awkward situation of "o yea gais ul be fiting ur own warchief on xpacs end yo".

[Creotor]

I think you're exaggerating the problem by a lot.

[melodramocracy]

It'd be great if players actually could actively roleplay for / against Garrosh. I don't really foresee rampant stunts being pulled anymore than normal (though I do believe that LFR queue times will get quite long in a very short amount of time)

[Triptych]

but the nature of the lore is going to guide more people down this path simply because there are people who actually want to side with Garrosh and if they want to badly enough they will go out of their way to try.

This is the first I've heard of an option "to side with Garrosh". I very much doubt that the raid will include any such thing. Garrosh will wipe the entire raid, all 25 players, and not have some sort of special function whereby he spares the lives of certain loyal players who /highfive or /cheer him or something.

And if you think that griefers are always looking for ways to actively "RP" their griefing ... then you're deluded.

[Ferocity]

Well it is bannable offense, category Zone/Area Disruption: "Disruption of player sponsored events or gatherings".

I think Blizzard should take closer look on wtf is happening on raiding scene. A lot of those "trolls" and grievers are just people who are upset that demand for boosts in raids for real money was reduced, and who try to hide their RMT activity. Though the more noise is made, the higher chance that their provocation will make someone start calling out names.

RMT people and people provoked by them should understand that LFR-sabotage is crossing any possible limits, and backfire might be much greater than they expect. They won't be able to hide their RMT-activity forever if they will keep going like this instead of dealing with decline in demand (general decline of game + LFR satisfying needs of some people) and higher competition (a lot of shady sides now where guilds incognito sell their raid boosts).

P.S.: And those "poor" trolls who would try to do sabotage after reading this thread or simply as result of provocation, they should try to use their own brains and not someone's else. Tbh, the whole original post smells like provocation and hideous form of LFR-bashing same time.

[melodramocracy]

Well it is bannable offense, category Zone/Area Disruption: "Disruption of player sponsored events or gatherings".

I think Blizzard should take closer look on wtf is happening on raiding scene. A lot of those "trolls" and grievers are just people who are upset that demand for boosts in raids for real money was reduced, and who try to hide their RMT activity. Though the more noise is made, the higher chance that their provocation will make someone start calling out names.

RMT people and people provoked by them should understand that LFR-sabotage is crossing any possible limits, and backfire might be much greater than they expect. They won't be able to hide their RMT-activity forever if they will keep going like this instead of dealing with decline in demand (general decline of game + LFR satisfying needs of some people) and higher competition (a lot of shady sides now where guilds incognito sell their raid boosts).

P.S.: And those "poor" trolls who would try to do sabotage after reading this thread or simply as result of provocation, they should try to use their own brains and not someone's else. Tbh, the whole original post smells like provocation and hideous form of LFR-bashing same time.

Or maybe, just maybe, it's folks getting a kick out of watching other people have meltdowns over a wipe (or attempt at one)

[nekobaka]

Well it is bannable offense, category Zone/Area Disruption: "Disruption of player sponsored events or gatherings".

I think Blizzard should take closer look on wtf is happening on raiding scene. A lot of those "trolls" and grievers are just people who are upset that demand for boosts in raids for real money was reduced, and who try to hide their RMT activity. Though the more noise is made, the higher chance that their provocation will make someone start calling out names.

In my experience the majority of griefers are not normal/heroic raiders so each their own experiences. Those who I have reported and kept a tab on do not seem to have had any temp ban placed on their accounts. Blizzard is usually light handed when it comes to such and requires the stack of the penalty volcano and even then the starting temp bans are too short to really deter players. Everyone for the most part has a free be a dick bag for the day card and spread out over millions of players adds up a lot when one person can screw over 4-24 other players and a persons general retainment of a negative experience over a positive one.

[Lord Blackmore]

We wiped twice on Jin'rokh over the weekend. Twice. I hadn't come close to wiping on him the months of farming ToT. There weren't any bad eggs, just low DPS. I'd certainly think about doing the bad things, but like you said... it's a waste of an hour (queue and raid), I really wouldn't even bother unless the group really was being unruly. In which case I'd just go watch porn or something.

Coincidentally, the only time I was ever the victim of intentional wipe in LFR was this boss. It happened fairly recently, too.

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Or maybe, just maybe, it's folks getting a kick out of watching other people have meltdowns over a wipe (or attempt at one)

I'm pretty sure that's one of the textbook definitions of an asshole.

[TheDangerZone]

In other news, the sky is falling and the world will end on Dec 21.

I mean, come on!?!?! What makes this tier tangible distinct than previous LFR wings? Garrosh loyalists?

Really? Is that really the argument this whole post stands upon?

Come on!!!

[GrieverXIII]

I would almost shed a tear.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

In other news, the sky is falling and the world will end on Dec 21.

I mean, come on!?!?! What makes this tier tangible distinct than previous LFR wings? Garrosh loyalists?

Really? Is that really the argument this whole post stands upon?

Come on!!!

It's no different than the thread that got up to like 20 pages about people votekicking players with the Shop Helms.

[docterfreeze]

Players that do this will likely be reported and get a vacation from the game, their personal raiding and guild activities. Seems like something that only the stupidly ignorant will do, especially on the Alliance side of things. As for wiping the group strictly for purposes of harassing people, this has happened exactly once during all of MoP to me personally. The player was kicked, reported and we went about our business with the buff with no problem. Annoying yes, crippling...well, no.

Hey, if blizzard doesn't want to give me a choice in who I want to follow, too bad for them. If I end up getting banned then blizz has no one to blame but themselves for the believing that everyone loooooooves the revolution.

[Deleted]

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