Wow, great work Platex!
Wow, great work Platex!
Bump for impending "Any 5.4 bis list yet?" threads!
Friendly bump, as ppl are asking for this list
Once Hardcore always Hardcore.
We probably won't be using an offpiece this tier.
Bump For anything!
So lets hope I did this right lol
I played around on the Wowhead profiler and made up a normal mode gearset whch you can see here. http://ptr.wowhead.com/list=241993/t16-soo-normal
With this I came in at only 50 points over hitcap (im a goat so thats what I chose lol) with 77.61% mastery and 28% haste. I ddint add up the crit since its usually our "worst" stat out of all of them.
Noo for anyone who wants to take a peak at it, this is all normal gear with no upgrades or warforged. Have no clue if my guild will make it far into heroics or not lol.
Last edited by lokithor; 2013-09-07 at 03:23 AM. Reason: fucked up my maths somewhere lol
I've been working on some reforge stuff, will make a post soon, the problem is that we can't do anything 100% for sure until Simcraft for 5.4 comes out. Whilst Mastery is *likely* to be better than haste, by how far is up in the air. PPM was hit pretty hard; it's difficult to know if they will change the final proc rates for Black Blood and other PPM trinkets, since most people's testing likely took place prior to them fixing this recent PPM bug on the PTR where they weren't proccing as much as they should be. Our 2nd BiS trinket could be Black Blood due to the passive haste, or the multistrike due to the int proc. Take everything you read with a pinch of salt, at least up to a week after 5.4 hits. We'll know for certain then, but for the first week you guys don't really need a BiS list just yet. You know which rings are BiS, on shared off-pieces it's just the neck and 2nd trinket that we're unsure of. Weapons should still be (MH) Kardris' Scepter and (OH) Revelations of Y'Shaarj.
PS. Loki you're using a Flex shield there + like you said Draenei with the +1% hit. Having played Elemental for all of these years, I would be surprised if we end up going for mastery at the complete expense of haste, since traditionally the two stats have always had a synergy where they need to be somewhat balanced within a certain margin of each other. Then again, Blizzard might surprise us.
Last edited by Platex; 2013-09-07 at 09:46 AM.
Platex I think one of the things to really account for in this tier is the amount of AoE fights we will be seeing. From the sims I've run anything with more than one target mastery has a huge advantage over haste. Our single target isn't going to be near as good with the loss of 4pcT15 and the RPPM nerf so I'm almost inclined to lean fairly hard on haste.
I am curious as to what your seeing for 90 point talents though. I have had the time to sim them but could we be looking at UF over EB on a single target fight given how high our mastery is going to be ?
I know I'll be trying to go for that 100% mastery cap at some point. I got to 87%? With just my current gear with siege trinkets and full mastery gems/reforges. Was really fun just spamming dummies with CL pulling insane numbers. Not sure if anyone tested in the raid testing to see how it is single target unfortunately 10 man testing was over when I decided to test it
I was able to easily hit the 100% mastery mark with current gear and either double amp or dps amp + cleave trinket. I ended up at something like 107% mastery so i had to reforge / gem out of mastery. This was just with 2 trinkets + 5/5 t16 tier set.
This is what i ended up at completely unbuffed sitting in town fighting the test dummies:
The single target damage is extremely good at the 100% mastery mark. I was able to keep a good distance ahead of most of my guildies for all our ptr testing. Being able to fairly easily get to the 100% mastery mark + these amp trinkets are the soul reason i believe we didnt see any buffs at all from 5.3 going into 5.4.
Dont really even need to mention how good 100% mastery is with all the cleave fights there are in SoO.
There isn't a haste hard cap really. If you can get LB,LvB,EB down to one second then perhaps but even still higher haste means more FS ticks which in turn will lead to more Lava Surge procs.
I still think mastery will be pretty awesome though since with the uptime of the meta gem we should have plenty of haste.
I will go Full MasteryMentalshaman now. I am convinced. Guess it wont be a problem with my gear heheheheheh. Pewpew Duplicated spells!
Once Hardcore always Hardcore.
Tickletotems' new guide is out, scroll down to the end of #8 for the Totemspot/Simcraft BiS list,
and new Simcraft : https://code.google.com/p/simulation...40-1-win64.zip
Turns out Haste still pulls ahead of Mastery, the PPM nerf wasn't enough to drive it under mastery (personally really happy about that) and it's still ahead of Mastery on a Horridon style fight.
BiS 2nd Trinket single target is indeed Kardris' Totem, Crystal for AoE (it's the same case for everyone there), only thing I don't get is why the offpiece Warforged Gloves are supposedly better than the Tier, one would presume that's down to Warforged stats and reforging - I'd say go for the Tier gloves until you can get your hands on a Warforged pair.
UF is the best talent for Single Target, EB for target switching, PE for AoE.
Last edited by Platex; 2013-09-11 at 01:15 AM.