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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Insarius View Post
    To add to that, Krasus also said there are only 3 Old Gods on Azeroth, whilst we can count 4, one of them is dead though, and it's said in the WC3 manual that there's a total of 5.

    EDIT: War of the Ancients trilogy reads that 3 of them are actively trying to escape their prison, which we know; Yogg, C'thun and N'zoth.

    Y'shaarj is dead but the 5th Old God which we don't know about might not be.
    Quote Originally Posted by dirk123 View Post
    Seems only "killing" Y'sharaaj caused a negative development. Hence them sealing the remaining 4 "Big Bad Old Gods".
    C'thun -> Thought to be dead, AQ sealed during War of the Shifting Sands by the Dragons & Night Elves.
    Yogg-Soron -> Sealed in Ulduar
    N'Zoth -> Sealed near the Maelstrom/former Well of Eternity(?)
    Y'Sharaaj -> "Killed" & heart sealed.
    #5 = still unknown.
    N'zoth is not imprisoned. The Titans couldn't defeat him.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Where is N'Zoth? He was mentioned at Blizzcon, then was talked about in Dragon Soul. What is going on with him?!
    N'zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn't defeat it... maybe someday we'll get our chance? Don't expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though! (Source)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by babo7000 View Post
    So yeah, he is strong. And considering we have no source at all, aside from the very vague one i mentioned earlier, to have the faintest idea of how strong the Old Gods are, comparing the two is meaningless.
    We don't have any reliable source how strong Sargeras really is now, the last little bit we know about him is, that part of his soul travels through the twisting neither, after Medivh was slain. Thats it and this information is really, really extremely old. This happened in wacraft1. Who knows wacraft1 nowdays? Everything about Sargeras is damn old and outdated lore.

    In an interview to Chris Metzen and Micky Neilson they said that "he's out there somewhere", that "you can't put him down" and "he's not going to stay down for long". At last Metzen said: I'd be very disappointed in us if we didn't leverage him fully
    https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/stat...11354357784576 - at least he is stronger than Aman'thul, his brother and leader of the Titan Pantheon.

    Blizz will make sure he seems allpowerful when he returns, just for all the marketing alone, simply cause people expect it and there is no super accurate lore about his current powers, yet, just a bit of outdated info.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    https://twitter.com/ChrisMetzen/stat...11354357784576 - at least he is stronger than Aman'thul, his brother and leader of the Titan Pantheon.
    The tweets with "or" in them are more about which he personally likes more, not which is stronger:
    “@ChaosSmurf: @ChrisMetzen Kerrigan or Queen of Blades?” Sarah.
    “@_jcps: @ChrisMetzen Druid or paladin?” CLOSE. Love both. ...paladin.
    “@charonites: @ChrisMetzen Jaina Proudmoore or Lor'themar Theron in 5.2?” Lor'themar came out feeling cooler, but Jaina did some Rockin'.
    “@Bezlo: @ChrisMetzen Sauron or Darth Vader?” Vader ...but Sauron would kick his Sith ass...
    “@Lactarded: @ChrisMetzen cake or pie?” Cake!
    “@Jezi_Belle: @ChrisMetzen Saurfang or Hellscream (Sr)?” Love Saurfang, but GROM rules.............................................!
    “@RorSChk: @ChrisMetzen Day of Tentacle or Monkey Island?” Love both / but Monkey Island for my nickel...
    “@CEMOTucu: @ChrisMetzen Velen or Nobundo?” Nobundo!!! He has to work for it!!!
    “@DwightCouch: @ChrisMetzen Captain James t or Captain Jean Luke” Kirk.
    “@Valomir: @ChrisMetzen orc peon or alliance worker??” Peon. Work work

    The ones specifically about which is stronger have "vs" in them:
    “@saintstryfe: @ChrisMetzen Ok, now the big one: Thrall v. Queen of Blades” Queen of Blades... But I don't like it!!!
    “@hitstreak: @ChrisMetzen Uther in his prime vs Arthas w/ Frostmourne?” Think Arthas still would have taken him. Frostmourne was no joke...
    “@Frozencry: @ChrisMetzen How about The Lich King vs Queen of Blades?” Queen. I think the Swarm would make short work of the Scourge.
    “@Corath: @ChrisMetzen Admiral Akbar vs Grand Moff Tarkin?” Ackbar!!!! Because Tarken can't repel firepower of that magnitude!!!!
    “@jhanan: @ChrisMetzen Optimus vs. Thrall?” Damn... That's like the Gordeon Knot of geek questions...


    So when someone asks "Aman'thul or Sargeras?" and Metzen says Sargeras, it doesn't mean Sargeras is stronger. It means that Metzen likes Sargeras more than Aman'thul.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    N'zoth is not imprisoned. The Titans couldn't defeat him.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Where is N'Zoth? He was mentioned at Blizzcon, then was talked about in Dragon Soul. What is going on with him?!
    N'zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn't defeat it... maybe someday we'll get our chance? Don't expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though! (Source)
    Yea he is, most likely chained beneath the Ocean in Ny'alotha. He is just really powerful, hence the amount of influence he has. But he is 100% chained, otherwise he would have already destroyed Azeroth.

    EDIT: Saw your blue, still think when they say the Titans couldn't defeat him they mean in the sense like Y'Shaarj or even C'Thun. It would make zero sense for N'Zoth to corrupt all these beings to slowly destroy Azeroth if he can up and do it himself.
    Last edited by babo7000; 2013-08-22 at 06:40 PM.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by babo7000 View Post
    Yea he is, most likely chained beneath the Ocean in Ny'alotha. He is just really powerful, hence the amount of influence he has. But he is 100% chained, otherwise he would have already destroyed Azeroth.

    EDIT: Saw your blue, still think when they say the Titans couldn't defeat him they mean in the sense like Y'Shaarj or even C'Thun. It would make zero sense for N'Zoth to corrupt all these beings to slowly destroy Azeroth if he can up and do it himself.
    He might be too preoccupied with screwing up the Emerald Dream.

    Pure speculation: Like if N'zoth completely destroys Azeroth, the Titans can just remake it with the Emerald Dream template. But if N'zoth screws up the Emerald Dream first, when the Titans use that to restore a busted Azeroth, N'zoth gets it remade how he wants.
    Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-08-22 at 06:51 PM.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by Grubjuice View Post
    Sargeras is Lawful Evil
    Old Gods are Chaotic Evil

    they don't play for the same team.
    The Titans are Lawful Good. Sargeras stands for the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Titans.

    He believes that the Titans bringing Order to worlds is wrong and that everything should be as it was...chaotic. JUST LIKE the Old Gods who ensued chaos on Azeroth using the Elemental Lords in a bygone era.
    Quote Originally Posted by High Overlord Saurfang
    "I am he who watches they. I am the fist of retribution. That which does quell the recalcitrant. Dare you defy the Warchief? Dare you face my merciless judgement?"
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Flaks View Post
    The Titans are Lawful Good. Sargeras stands for the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Titans.

    He believes that the Titans bringing Order to worlds is wrong and that everything should be as it was...chaotic. JUST LIKE the Old Gods who ensued chaos on Azeroth using the Elemental Lords in a bygone era.
    The titans are lawful neutral, not lawful good.

  8. #188
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The tweets with "or" in them are more about which he personally likes more, not which is stronger:
    “@ChaosSmurf: @ChrisMetzen Kerrigan or Queen of Blades?” Sarah.
    “@_jcps: @ChrisMetzen Druid or paladin?” CLOSE. Love both. ...paladin.
    “@charonites: @ChrisMetzen Jaina Proudmoore or Lor'themar Theron in 5.2?” Lor'themar came out feeling cooler, but Jaina did some Rockin'.
    “@Bezlo: @ChrisMetzen Sauron or Darth Vader?” Vader ...but Sauron would kick his Sith ass...
    “@Lactarded: @ChrisMetzen cake or pie?” Cake!
    “@Jezi_Belle: @ChrisMetzen Saurfang or Hellscream (Sr)?” Love Saurfang, but GROM rules.............................................!
    “@RorSChk: @ChrisMetzen Day of Tentacle or Monkey Island?” Love both / but Monkey Island for my nickel...
    “@CEMOTucu: @ChrisMetzen Velen or Nobundo?” Nobundo!!! He has to work for it!!!
    “@DwightCouch: @ChrisMetzen Captain James t or Captain Jean Luke” Kirk.
    “@Valomir: @ChrisMetzen orc peon or alliance worker??” Peon. Work work

    The ones specifically about which is stronger have "vs" in them:
    “@saintstryfe: @ChrisMetzen Ok, now the big one: Thrall v. Queen of Blades” Queen of Blades... But I don't like it!!!
    “@hitstreak: @ChrisMetzen Uther in his prime vs Arthas w/ Frostmourne?” Think Arthas still would have taken him. Frostmourne was no joke...
    “@Frozencry: @ChrisMetzen How about The Lich King vs Queen of Blades?” Queen. I think the Swarm would make short work of the Scourge.
    “@Corath: @ChrisMetzen Admiral Akbar vs Grand Moff Tarkin?” Ackbar!!!! Because Tarken can't repel firepower of that magnitude!!!!
    “@jhanan: @ChrisMetzen Optimus vs. Thrall?” Damn... That's like the Gordeon Knot of geek questions...


    So when someone asks "Aman'thul or Sargeras?" and Metzen says Sargeras, it doesn't mean Sargeras is stronger. It means that Metzen likes Sargeras more than Aman'thul.
    Only makes sense Sargeras is way stronger than Aman'thul, i do not need twitter for this. Just think about it with a bit of logic. He will be probably the endboss of wow. He turned to a dark titan, created the burning legion. He developed. Aman'thul probably would be unchanged. We will see anyways. I am just afraid the Titan Pantheon will play no role or be destroyed by something probably Sargeras and the Legion or whatever, that would be bad. Would be fun to face real, untainted Titans.
    Cause what was Sargeras doing all the time after mehdiv's death? And KJ calls him self the rightful ruler of the Burning Legion in Sunwell. Either there is treachery at hand by his leutnant similar to what happend to the great 3 in diablo when they were cast out to sanctuary by the 4 lesser evils, or he was busy with destroying the Titan Pantheon. This really needs to be explained, after so many years of waiting.

  10. #190
    What if old gods are the real good guys and titans evil? Old gods do say things that hint at that

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    Only makes sense Sargeras is way stronger than Aman'thul, i do not need twitter for this. Just think about it with a bit of logic. He will be probably the endboss of wow. He turned to a dark titan, created the burning legion. He developed. Aman'thul probably would be unchanged. We will see anyways. I am just afraid the Titan Pantheon will play no role or be destroyed by something probably Sargeras and the Legion or whatever, that would be bad. Would be fun to face real, untainted Titans.
    Cause what was Sargeras doing all the time after mehdiv's death? And KJ calls him self the rightful ruler of the Burning Legion in Sunwell. Either there is treachery at hand by his leutnant similar to what happend to the great 3 in diablo when they were cast out to sanctuary by the 4 lesser evils, or he was busy with destroying the Titan Pantheon. This really needs to be explained, after so many years of waiting.
    Oh, I have no doubt that Sargeras is stronger than Aman'thul. Sargeras was their greatest warrior. He was stronger than Aman'thul even before he left the Pantheon. I'm just saying that Metzen's tweet doesn't necessarily say that.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  12. #192
    Sargeras is not the most powerful titan.

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    Only makes sense Sargeras is way stronger than Aman'thul, i do not need twitter for this. Just think about it with a bit of logic. He will be probably the endboss of wow. He turned to a dark titan, created the burning legion. He developed. Aman'thul probably would be unchanged. We will see anyways. I am just afraid the Titan Pantheon will play no role or be destroyed by something probably Sargeras and the Legion or whatever, that would be bad. Would be fun to face real, untainted Titans.
    Cause what was Sargeras doing all the time after mehdiv's death? And KJ calls him self the rightful ruler of the Burning Legion in Sunwell. Either there is treachery at hand by his leutnant similar to what happend to the great 3 in diablo when they were cast out to earth by the 4 lesser evils, or he was busy with destroying the Titan Pantheon. This really needs to be explained, after so many years of waiting.
    I remember a while back, someone posted on 4chan (reliable!) claiming to be Chris Metzen and went on to answer a lot of lore questions. Could easily have been fake, but the amount of detail and 'Metzen-talk' the guy used was huge. Anyways, one of the things he said was there was a civil war in the Burning Legion, between those loyal to Kil'Jaeden and those loyal to Sargeras. I like this. It makes the Legion have more depth and could really explain where Sargeras has been.

    Speaking of which, we have no idea where he is. He was sent back to the Twisting Nether, and he has audio in game from the Wrathgate, so we know he is still alive. Perhaps he is weakened temporarily and Kil'Jaeden is taking every advantage of this. He seemed pretty damn cocky in Sunwell.

    Lastly, the Universe in WoW, much like the irl one, is huge. The Pantheon are most likely doing there usual thing in some quadrant of the Universe, and haven't been alarmed of what is going on in Azeroth yet. Boring, but it explains where they are.

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    I like the idea some had earlier in this thread about Sargeras actually wiping out the pantheon and the other titans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    Sargeras is not the most powerful titan.
    nice sources you have there.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    Sargeras is not the most powerful titan.
    "the Pantheon elected its greatest warrior, Sargeras, to act as its first line of defense."
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  16. #196
    That line is out of context

  17. #197
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  18. #198
    That talks about demons. Wasnt sargeras source of demon and legion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    N'zoth is not imprisoned. The Titans couldn't defeat him.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Where is N'Zoth? He was mentioned at Blizzcon, then was talked about in Dragon Soul. What is going on with him?!
    N'zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn't defeat it... maybe someday we'll get our chance? Don't expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though! (Source)
    Nzoth is imprisoned under the ocean, read old god article

  19. #199
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
    ...as much have some have wished otherwise, yes. (Loreology)

  20. #200
    Defeat does not neccesarily mean that they couldnt imprison him. Wowpedia clearly says that nzoth is contained.

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