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    The curse of the flesh needs to infect Titans & Old Gods.

    Sick of these immortals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    That's pretty much my stance on it.
    There is only one way to remove them from our planet for good, and we stopped that from happening so Old gods are here to stay. We just have to put them down every few thousand years like whack a mole!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    We don't know that yet. There isn't a source telling us that Sargeras is more powerful than the Old Gods. There is a source however that tells us that Sargeras will beg for death if the Old Gods were freed.

    So yeah, I think I'll trust the actual source.

    Actually, there are in-game proof that states that the Titans are more powerfull than the old gods, and no where does it say that anyone but one titan has fallen, ever. Also Sargeras is a fallen titan.

    Now, Algalon is sent to Azeroth to evaluate if the old god corruption is to heavy in the planet, if found so the titans will obliterade Azeroth, the old gods and everything alive and dead and just remake it all. We don't want that and that's why we show Algalon we can actually fend for ourselves.

    The titans are the most powerfull beings in the WoW universe, Even if Kil'jaeden enter Azeroth it is game over, Sargeras entering Azeroth would be the equal to the sun entering Earths atmospehere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by medevac View Post
    Actually, there are in-game proof that states that the Titans are more powerfull than the old gods, and no where does it say that anyone but one titan has fallen, ever. Also Sargeras is a fallen titan.

    Now, Algalon is sent to Azeroth to evaluate if the old god corruption is to heavy in the planet, if found so the titans will obliterade Azeroth, the old gods and everything alive and dead and just remake it all. We don't want that and that's why we show Algalon we can actually fend for ourselves.

    The titans are the most powerfull beings in the WoW universe, Even if Kil'jaeden enter Azeroth it is game over, Sargeras entering Azeroth would be the equal to the sun entering Earths atmospehere...
    That is quite right, Sargeras is also the primary antagonist of the wow universe. His aim isn't to have simple corruption and chaos over one planet (like the old gods) its to bring chaos and destruction to all planets as hes gone off his rocker.

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    If titans are so powerful, why can they just take a grip on one of those old gods and just struggle them to death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokoshne View Post
    The curse of the flesh needs to infect Titans & Old Gods.

    Sick of these immortals.
    The curse of flesh is caused by the Old Gods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cle View Post
    If titans are so powerful, why can they just take a grip on one of those old gods and just struggle them to death?
    That part has been retconned over and over so no one really knows at the moment. Most of the titan lore and old god lore isn't even guaranteed to be canon. One theory is that the old gods make up most of the planet, thats also why algalons reconstruction can be viewed as more of prison reconstruction, with us beeing the unlucky casulties. And to be honest, I think metzen and samwise, like many times before, didn't really think this whole thing through. It's like magic in many fantasy universes that changes depending on how the author needs it to be at the moment and the same is kinda true for azeroth and its primal lore, which is just what it needs to be at the moment. I mean why place the heart of the sha of pride in a box and keep it there so that it can infest azeroth? Why not seal C'thun in a place where he can't be reached or make him orbit somewhere in the void of space (theres a shit ton of that). All of these reasons belittle the superior intelect the titans supposedly have, because they were created by 2 nerds while they were out drinking .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    That part has been retconned over and over so no one really knows at the moment. Most of the titan lore and old god lore isn't even guaranteed to be canon. One theory is that the old gods make up most of the planet, thats also why algalons reconstruction can be viewed as more of prison reconstruction, with us beeing the unlucky casulties. And to be honest, I think metzen and samwise, like many times before, didn't really think this whole thing through. It's like magic in many fantasy universes that changes depending on how the author needs it to be at the moment and the same is kinda true for azeroth and its primal lore, which is just what it needs to be at the moment. I mean why place the heart of the sha of pride in a box and keep it there so that it can infest azeroth? Why not seal C'thun in a place where he can't be reached or make him orbit somewhere in the void of space (theres a shit ton of that). All of these reasons belittle the superior intelect the titans supposedly have, because they were created by 2 nerds while they were out drinking .
    I.E. LOLore.

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    We even haven't seen Sargeras or any of the Titans of the Pantheon yet. But we have seen some old gods and fought them. In wow, typically the villains that we fight later or last are the most powerful foes. The old god's have a major weakness......they do not work together. Sargeras' BL does, and the Titan Pantheon, too. They outnumber the old god's by a landslide.

    But maybe the old god's have something like an overmind or parents, somewhere else in the great dark and beyond.

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    Sargeras is Lawful Evil
    Old Gods are Chaotic Evil

    they don't play for the same team.
    while you used D&D terms, i wonder why Sargeras should be Lawful Evil? Cause you got it totally wrong here, he is Chaotic Evil like the old gods. He is a friggin fallen Titan to turn everything the Titans created into chaos, as the Titans are lawful. Sargeras is the Chaos. he can't be lawful evil. Thats the Devil, but he isn't a devil he is more like a demon king, backed up with the high technology knowledge of the Titans. He i super dangerous actually. Of course he must be the main villain. Like a rogue titan from highly civilzied alien race with super powers running rampart.

    The old gods are not even on the same team among themselves, btw. Doesn't have something to do with alignment. And i think they are more than just chaotic evil. They are pretty much aliens that infested the planet and hard to understand at all by azeroth natives, however the curse of flesh proably makes this easier for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrannica View Post
    We even haven't seen Sargeras or any of the Titans of the Pantheon yet. But we have seen some old gods and fought them. In wow, typically the villains that we fight later or last are the most powerful foes. The old god's have a major weakness......they do not work together. Sargeras' BL does, and the Titan Pantheon, too. They outnumber the old god's by a landslide.

    But maybe the old god's have something like an overmind or parents, somewhere else in the great dark and beyond.

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    while you used D&D terms, i wonder why Sargeras should be Lawful Evil? Cause you got it totally wrong here, he is Chaotic Evil like the old gods. He is a friggin fallen Titan to turn everything the Titans created into chaos, as the Titans are lawful. Sargeras is the Chaos. he can't be lawful evil. Thats the Devil, but he isn't a devil he is more like a demon king, backed up with the high technology knowledge of the Titans. He i super dangerous actually. Of course he must be the main villain. Like a rogue titan from highly civilzied alien race with super powers running rampart.

    The old gods are not even on the same team among themselves, btw. Doesn't have something to do with alignment. And i think they are more than just chaotic evil. They are pretty much aliens that infested the planet and hard to understand at all by azeroth natives, however the curse of flesh proably makes this easier for everyone.
    Even servants of the Legion have pointed out the difference though. Sargeras and his Legion conquer for power, and to rule. The Old Gods just want random chaos and death. So while Sargeras may be trying to undo what the Titans have done, he still has a goal in mind and wants to see results. The Old Gods have no goal, except chaos itself, which makes them harder to understand and more dangerous. Numerous sources say that the Old Gods and their work are so absurdly evil that even Sargeras the Legion can hardly comprehend it. Think the difference between Bane and the Joker. Bane is Sargeras. The Joker is the Old God. And to the people misinformed, it has been quite established that the Old Gods are individually more powerful than any Titan, including Sargeras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    Even servants of the Legion have pointed out the difference though. Sargeras and his Legion conquer for power, and to rule. The Old Gods just want random chaos and death. So while Sargeras may be trying to undo what the Titans have done, he still has a goal in mind and wants to see results. The Old Gods have no goal, except chaos itself, which makes them harder to understand and more dangerous. Numerous sources say that the Old Gods and their work are so absurdly evil that even Sargeras the Legion can hardly comprehend it. Think the difference between Bane and the Joker. Bane is Sargeras. The Joker is the Old God. And to the people misinformed, it has been quite established that the Old Gods are individually more powerful than any Titan, including Sargeras.
    I think there is much more about what the old gods want than just death and chaos. Its not as simple as that. They are an alien species very different from humanoid ones. They are hard to understand at all. And i bet, something like fear and death is just a tool for them to use to fullfill their real plans. Its there way to commincate with mortal races to manipulate them in their favor. We will see who the real enemy will be, i bet its not the old gods that were that troubleing, but just vastly misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medevac View Post
    Actually, there are in-game proof that states that the Titans are more powerfull than the old gods, and no where does it say that anyone but one titan has fallen, ever. Also Sargeras is a fallen titan.

    Now, Algalon is sent to Azeroth to evaluate if the old god corruption is to heavy in the planet, if found so the titans will obliterade Azeroth, the old gods and everything alive and dead and just remake it all. We don't want that and that's why we show Algalon we can actually fend for ourselves.

    The titans are the most powerfull beings in the WoW universe, Even if Kil'jaeden enter Azeroth it is game over, Sargeras entering Azeroth would be the equal to the sun entering Earths atmospehere...
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    Do you have proof for your statements medevac? Because i'm pretty sure you are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razecog View Post
    The curse of flesh is caused by the Old Gods.
    Concept that needs to die in a fire horribly and then Hogger eats it for lunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzlee View Post
    Do you have proof for your statements medevac? Because i'm pretty sure you are wrong.

    yes. "Algalon was sent by the titans after Watcher Loken's death activated a planetary fail-safe protection, indicating possible distress on Azeroth.[1] Algalon's task is to analyze any systemic corruption on the planet. If it's deemed beyond saving, the Titans will "re-originate" the planet to cleanse it of corruption, killing all currently living organisms in the process. After his defeat in Ulduar, he chose to monitor the activities of the mortal races of Azeroth. His outlook on life and the Titans' plans has been called into question, so he seeks to understand what makes Azeroth so different from the countless worlds he has observed before."

    From WoWwiki.

    From ingame and his own quotes:

    "I have seen worlds bathed in the Makers' flames. Their denizens fading without so much as a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and raised in the time that it takes your mortal hearts to beat once. Yet all throughout, my own heart, devoid of emotion... of empathy. I... have... felt... NOTHING! A million, million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do?
    Perhaps it is your imperfection that which grants you free will. That allows you to persevere against cosmically calculated odds. You prevailed where the Titans' own perfect creations have failed.
    I've rearranged the reply code. Your planet will be spared. I cannot be certain of my own calculations anymore.
    I lack the strength to transmit the signal. You must hurry. Find a place of power close to the skies.
    Do not worry about my fate Bronzen. If the signal is not transmitted in time re-origination will proceed regardless. Save. Your. World."


    Also from the Halls of Stone instance:

    "Brann Bronzebeard yells: Ha! The old magic fingers finally won through! Now let's get down to-
    Abedneum yells: Alert! Security fail safes deactivated. Beginning memory purge...
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Purge? No no no no no! Where did I-- Aha, this should do the trick...
    Abedneum yells: System online. Life form pattern recognized. Welcome Branbronzan. Query?
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Query? What do you think I’m here for? Tea and biscuits? Spill the beans already! Tell me how that dwarfs came to be! And start at the beginning!
    Abedneum yells: Accessing prehistoric data. Retrieved. In the beginning Earthen were created to-
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Right, right! I know that the Earthen were made of stone to shape the deep reaches of the world but what about the anomalies? Matrix non-stabilizing and whatnot.
    Abedneum yells: Accessing. In the early stages of its development cycle Azeroth suffered infection by parasitic, necrophotic symbiotes.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Necro-what? Speak bloody common will ya?
    Abedneum yells: Designation: Old Gods. Old Gods rendered all systems, including Earthen defenseless in order to facilitate assimilation. This matrix destabilization has been termed the Curse of Flesh. Effects of destabilization increased over time.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Old Gods eh? So they zapped the Earthen with this Curse of Flesh. And then what?
    Kaddrak yells: Accessing. Creators arrived to extirpate symbiotic infection. Assessment revealed that Old God infestation had grown malignant. Excising parasites would result in loss of host.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: If they killed the Old Gods Azeroth would have been destroyed.
    Kaddrak yells: Correct. Creators neutralized parasitic threat and contained it within the host. Forge of Wills and other systems were instituted to create new Earthen. Safeguards were implemented and protectors were appointed.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: What protectors?
    Kaddrak yells: Designations: Aesir and Vanir or in common nomenclator Storm and Earth Giants. Sentinel Loken designated supreme. Dragon Aspects appointed to monitor evolution of Azeroth.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Aesir and Vanir. Okay. So the Forge of Wills started to make new Earthen. But what happened to the old ones?
    Marnak yells: Additional background is relevant to your query. Following global combat between-
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Hold everything! The Aesir and Vanir went to war? Why?
    Marnak yells: Unknown. Data suggests that impetus for global combat originated with prime designate Loken who neutralized all remaining Aesir and Vanir affecting termination of conflict. Prime designate Loken then initiated stasis of several seed races including Earthen, Giant and Vrykul at designated holding facilities.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: This Loken sounds like a nasty character. Glad we don’t have to worry about the likes of him anymore. So if I’m understanding you lads the original Earthen eventually woke up from this stasis. And by that time this destabily-whatever had turned them into our brother dwarfs. Or at least dwarf ancestors. Hm?
    Marnak yells: Essentially that is correct.
    Brann Bronzebeard yells: Well now. That’s a lot to digest. I’m gonna need some time to take all of this in. Thank ye!
    Abedneum yells: Acknowledged Branbronzan. Session terminated."
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    And where exactly does it say that the titans are the most powerful beings in the universe?

    And that if Kil'jaedan enters Azeroth its game over?

    And Sargeras entering Azeroth is equal to the sun entering earths atmosphere?

    In the novel The Sundering, it is hinted that the Old Gods are more powerful than the Titans, including even Sargeras. It is said that they are extremely powerful and that the combined might of many Titans are required to subdue them. It is also stated that if they are freed, even Sargeras will plead for peace of death. This is further supported by their statement that little effort is needed to destroy Sargeras and turn his Burning Legion into their minions.
    from: http://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods

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    Creating planetary systems in a <1000ms is kinda powerful, haven't seen the old gods destroy one in the same timeframe at least. Though to be honest it is kinda questionable if his words should be taken literal, I mean who knows who wrote them. But one also has to think about the fact that they have shit on planetary scale and yet even we keep beating old lol gods. Maybe the titans are not powerfull enough in a 1v1 fight, but in an all out war? Or its the simple fact that no one thought about the power levels properly and no one that works on the lore (which is a few people if you follow blizzard interviews) bothered to cheak for consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzlee View Post
    And where exactly does it say that the titans are the most powerful beings in the universe?

    And that if Kil'jaedan enters Azeroth its game over?

    And Sargeras entering Azeroth is equal to the sun entering earths atmosphere?

    Did you read what I posted?? The titans can destroy entire planatery systems in a heartbeat!
    from: http://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods
    It is described in the very same novel that even the shadow of Sargeras closing to the portal was impossible to comprehend, same as if soemthing as big as the sun would enter our own planets atmospehere, it is incomprehensible.

    The old gods are parasites inside Azeroth and they arrived after the titans had created the planet, they infested the planet and corrupted it to the point that killing them would destroy the planet, the titans had three choices, Destroy the parasites(old gods) whitch would result in destruction of Azeroth and re-create the planet afterwards, Just destroy the planet with the old gods inside or Imprisson the old gods inside the planet, and sparing the rest of the planet. They choose option three for whatever reason (but since we play this game then that would be the only available option for the lore-writers to go for).

    Just read all that I posted before and you will see that the titans, the creators of the planets in the universe are the most powerfull beings in the universe of WoW... god.. is it really that hard to comprehend??


    And with the Kil'jaeden entering Azeroth, just listen to what the grand anchorite in shattrath says, it's some nice lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanzlee View Post
    And where exactly does it say that the titans are the most powerful beings in the universe?

    And that if Kil'jaedan enters Azeroth its game over?

    And Sargeras entering Azeroth is equal to the sun entering earths atmosphere?



    from: http://www.wowwiki.com/Old_Gods
    The problem with the old gods making Sargeras tremble was just from a knaak novel and its the only cited piece of lore on that. We do know Sargeras is the primary antagonist in the game so he is not likely to be beaten by the old gods any time soon.

    I would take his shitty novels with a pinch of salt even if they are cannon :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by khalltusk View Post
    The problem with the old gods making Sargeras tremble was just from a knaak novel and its the only cited piece of lore on that. We do know Sargeras is the primary antagonist in the game so he is not likely to be beaten by the old gods any time soon.

    I would take his shitty novels with a pinch of salt even if they are cannon :/

    WoTLK lore came after those books, so yeah, relatively new in-game lore surely trumps old books...

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