View Poll Results: What's Ny'alotha

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  • A black forest

    13 2.93%
  • A city

    96 21.62%
  • A city sorrunded by a black forest

    106 23.87%
  • A land

    2 0.45%
  • A land with a black forest in it

    8 1.80%
  • A land sharing the name of the city in it

    9 2.03%
  • A land with a black forest around a city sharing it's name

    32 7.21%
  • Mankrik's wife

    135 30.41%
  • Other

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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verain View Post
    Eeh. Check the other threads on this. It's pretty likely at this point- I'm certainly convinced.

    But this thread is about what the Cthulu-esque city is, so try to talk to that?
    I'll wait until Blizzcon. No evidence whatsoever beyond speculation and people having believed this filed, unprocessed trademark to be genuine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    From purely my own speculation based on the descriptions of the city and the forest.

    I would say that it is a city located on physical azeroth, deep deep underground, a city that was buried during the struggle between the Old Gods and the Titans, or perhaps even a city that is far more ancient than that. The city is surrounded by a dead, lifeless forest, and the entire area is partially in phase with the Emerald Dream, perhaps the very source of the nightmare itself, drifting in and out of the dream.

    Within the city there is likely a central tower (The darkened spire and Giant Rook), which contains within itself a "void" a center of incredibly ancient, dark, and very very chaotic energy (That devours everything and has devoured the "soul" of both the city and forest that is the source of the Rift of Aln and the entire dream itself. This tower is unimaginably powerful, perhaps something that predates even the Old gods, and nothing is able to look upon it without "fleeing screaming into the surrounding forest". The forest and the city are guarded by a creature that appears as a black goat with seven eyes, possibly N'zoth's projected form (I like to think it's something older and more powerful than even N'zoth).

    The city and forest then, are presumably located at the very bottom of the rift left by the well of eternity... and perhaps the void within the darkened spire was the original source of the well's turbulent, chaotic energies--regardless, it's at the bottom of the darkest part of the ocean, where only the fish who inhabit the dark cold water know the "secret" of its existence, and how it might be reached. The way to the city then also seems to be protected by void-influenced currents that sweep men away.

    Again, all 10000% speculation and arbitrary presumptions on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Verain View Post
    It's pretty likely at this point- I'm certainly convinced.
    So was August 27th being 5.4 patch day. Oh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenka View Post
    Pretty sure once someone links this, it's pretty obvious what it is. :P

    "A sleeping city."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Pretty sure once someone links this, it's pretty obvious what it is. :P

    "A sleeping city."

    Well then!

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    Basically Ny'alotha is supposedly an underwater city of the Old Gods, where N'zoth lies dreaming. Probably tied to the Emerald Nightmare as well. The "black forest" could refer to seaweed in the depths of the ocean, not necessarily a literal forest.

    NOTE: It's been brought to my attention that some of this is said by Y'shaarj and not by Yogg Saron, but most of it seems to be from Yogg's puzzlebox. If I incorrectly attribute something to Yogg, ignore that inference but for the most part I stand by my opinions regarding what the lines could mean.

    Let's take a look at this:

    -Look around. They will all betray you. Flee screaming into the black forest.
    Self-explanatory, possibly just whispers to get you to trust no one, since it comes from Yogg Saron who was known to corrupt others. Nothing more can be inferred.

    -There is no sharp distinction between the real and the unreal.
    Could be a hint towards the Emerald Dream/Nightmare since the Dream can overlap into Azeroth and blur the lines of reality.

    -There is a little lamb lost in dark woods.
    This, presumably, refers to our character.

    -All places, all things have souls. All souls can be devoured
    Self-explanatory.

    -The stars sweep chill currents that make men shiver in the dark.
    The Old Gods are otherworldly, from beyond the stars, and it's their machinations which bring fear. "Sweep chill currents" could also refer to underwater.

    -Do you dream while you sleep or is it an escape from the horrors of reality?
    Almost certainly an Emerald Dream reference.

    -In the land of Ny'alotha there is only sleep.
    Ny'alotha might have a connection with the Emerald Dream. Since it's the WoW version of R'lyeh (where Cthulhu is) and Cthulhu and his minions sleep. ("In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming")

    -In the sleeping city of Ny'alotha walk only mad things.
    It's a city of the Old Gods. Faceless ones and their kind abound.

    -Ny'alotha is a city of old, terrible, unnumbered crimes.
    See above.

    -It is standing right behind you. Do not move. Do not breathe.
    Obvious mind tactic from Yogg-Saron but it could also hint at something underwater. Remember that feeling in Vashj'ir that something was lurking just beyond your vision? The elite sea monsters that roamed around to give that feeling that you're never safe?

    -Have you had the dream again? A black goat with seven eyes that watches from the outside.
    This is Y'shaarj. Seven eyes = Seven Sha. "From the outside" could have meant watching the rest of Azeroth from his/its prison in Pandaria.

    -In the sunken city, he lays dreaming.
    Refers to N'zoth, and is an obvious take on the above-mentioned quote about Cthulhu.

    -The fish know all the secrets. They know the cold. They know the dark.
    Definite hint at an underwater expansion. The depths of the ocean.

    -The giant rook watches from the dead trees. Nothing breathes beneath his shadow.
    This could just be Lovecraftian embellishment, as opposed to referencing an actual creature. If an underwater expansion it could be some kind of sea monster that guards Ny'alotha.

    -Beneath the shadow of the darkened spire, there is no light, no mercy, only void, and the chaos within.
    Probably refers to the depths of the city itself, in the darkest part of the ocean where there is no light, only the cold wet void.

    I wouldn't read too much into the Yogg puzzlebox since most everything in it is from Lovecraft or Lovecraft inspired (it wasn't mentioned here but the line about the sleepy staring houses that should be torn down is almost verbatim from Lovecraft's story "The Picture in the House") and since the Old Gods are also Lovecraft-inspired none of the lines need to mean anything. In Lovecraft's writings the manifestations were many different ways, and usually subtle at first.
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    Some of that stuff is said by Y'Shraaj in SoO. Not Yogg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xinjun View Post
    Some of that stuff is said by Y'Shraaj in SoO. Not Yogg.
    Is it? I know most of the ones I related to Yogg were from the puzzlebox, there were a few that I wasn't sure about (the "It's behind you" part for one).

    Edited previous post to account for possibilities of incorrectly attributing some statements to Yogg-Saron.
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    Yeah. Y'Shraaj starts being a typical Old God jackass and filling our heads with paranoid whispers while we fight Garrosh. The one behind you and the one about everyone betraying you are Y'Shraaj and a few others I think.
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    rofl@ Mankrik's wife winning in this poll.
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    I hope that both the Emerald Dream and underwater ideas get used. Nyalotha is, like all things old-god-ish, based on Lovecraft. Specifically R'Lyeh. I'd like the idea that the Rift of Aln is a wound caused by the Shattering. Literally a file corruption caused by the inability of the backup copy (the Dream) to sync with the active copy (Azeroth). Since R'yleh is known for it's bizzare geometry and architecture that seems to defy dimensional space as we see it, Nyalotha literally straddling two dimensions would be a nice variation on that. A huge city (possibly Titan), at or near what would become the maelstrom, that is literally blown into another dimension by the Shattering. You have the imperfect, ghostlike Emerald Dream version of the city and the underwater ruined version on Azeroth co-existing in a superimposed state where neither can overwrite the other, and everything exists in a kind of "superposition" between the two realms.

    Also, R'Lyeh is known for rising up from and disappearing beneath the sea.

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    A city surrounded by a black forest because it sounds awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alenarien View Post
    I'll wait until Blizzcon. No evidence whatsoever beyond speculation and people having believed this filed, unprocessed trademark to be genuine.
    I think this might be the 3rd time this post you've said this. However, as people have already pointed out to you.. It was actually APPROVED as a trade mark. Now That isnt to say its for WoW but its still a filed and ACCEPTED trademark filed by Blizzard.

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    If I get to choose between 'a city' and 'a city surrounded by a black forest', then obviously I have better odds selecting 'a city', considering a city surrounded by a black forest is still ALSO a city :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by babalou1 View Post
    I think this might be the 3rd time this post you've said this. However, as people have already pointed out to you.. It was actually APPROVED as a trade mark. Now That isnt to say its for WoW but its still a filed and ACCEPTED trademark filed by Blizzard.
    It has not been approved. It is in the latter stages of processing and should be approved shortly.
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    If they announce at Blizzcon that the next expansion will be called The Dark Below, won't you all be disappointed because you already knew what it was called?

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