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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I don't know people keep saying this. Nothing has ever pointed to Saurfang being feeble (if Orcs ever even get feeble)

    He was just cleaving faces in Northrend a couple years ago. And seemed to be doing better than most.
    They do, look at Drek'Thar.

    But that's not the reason he shouldn't be warchief imo. It's that he's done nothing since Wrath but show up for a fanservice cameo in SoO. The new Warchief IMO should be someone more involved in dethroning Garrosh than that.
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  2. #202
    Don't get your hopes high, it will be Thrall.

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  3. #203
    I wonder what excuse Blizzard will give if the new Warchief is not an Orc. The Warchief should be, before anything, the leader of the Orc clans (IMO).

    Why would the Orcs accept a non Orc as their leader? What would stop them from picking their own Warchief and leaving the Horde? Also, if there's no Orc Warchief, why would all the different Orc clans submit themselves to the leadership of an *Orc leader* that's not above their own clan leaders and has to submit to the leadership of a non-orc.

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    Why are so many people counting out Saurfang? I get that he's old, I know. But what if Blizzard decides to go down the route that most countries do now (especially the U.S.) - go with an older leader that's more specifically elected for running a country (in this case, a faction) and not so much actually fighting in warfare? When Garrosh is dead, I'm guessing that will end the Horde v. Alliance war (at least for a while), and there won't be much use for the new Warchief to have to physically fight. Plus, it isn't like Garrosh is drop-dead old. He's just got a bit of mileage, is all. He has all the qualifications and experience. I see no legitimate reason why he couldn't/shouldn't be the new Warchief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Diabl0 View Post
    I wonder what excuse Blizzard will give if the new Warchief is not an Orc. The Warchief should be, before anything, the leader of the Orc clans (IMO).

    Why would the Orcs accept a non Orc as their leader? What would stop them from picking their own Warchief and leaving the Horde? Also, if there's no Orc Warchief, why would all the different Orc clans submit themselves to the leadership of an *Orc leader* that's not above their own clan leaders and has to submit to the leadership of a non-orc.
    In reality that can be said both ways, why would any other race in the horde allow another orc warchief after the whole Garrosh debacle that is not Thrall (because he is trusted). It can go bothways truth be told, more so when the Horde isnt really Orcs or go home anymore, as Garrosh tried to imply on it (again).

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    this leads me to believe that 5.5 (if they go with it) may actually be something along the lines of a plot twist in the direction of 6.0 skysunder/darkbelow w/e it is

  7. #207
    I don't know, Blizzard is predictable sometimes..I still believe that the next warchief gonna be Vol'jin because of the Book and the role he played in the expansion...Well, hope I'm wrong.

  8. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Shampro View Post
    In reality that can be said both ways, why would any other race in the horde allow another orc warchief after the whole Garrosh debacle that is not Thrall (because he is trusted). It can go bothways truth be told, more so when the Horde isnt really Orcs or go home, as Garrosh tried to imply on it (again).
    When they joined the horde, they didn't have a choice because without the Orc armies backing them, they wouldn't stand a chance – unless they had joined the alliance, obviously. Right now, you can't really tell which races are more powerful because Blizzard had to even things out, if they hadn't, the Horde would feel like an Orc faction and it wouldn't be as interesting.

    But yes, I agree with you, I don't think the other races should continue to be ruled by an Orc without questioning it. But I don't think taking the place of the Orc leader would make sense. If they want change, they should probably change the power structure of the horde and either rule it by council or just stay together as an alliance without an absolute leader.
    Last edited by El_Diabl0; 2013-08-23 at 03:01 AM.

  9. #209
    Probably gonna be Vol'jin or Thrall coming back. Outside bets on Chen or Baine, or a minor Orc NPC suddenly raised to major character status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimlix View Post
    Why would varian decide something that the horde should do? x)
    Because he won, long story short.

    That being said, given the enormous lore push Vol'jin has gotten since 5.1, I wouldn't be surprised to see him given the role of intermediary Warchief while the Horde sorts itself out post-revolution (Vol'jin, after all, masterminded the revolution and the Darkspears led the charge, with the other races either pursuing their own agendas before they were ready to join up, like Lor'themar, or joined after Vol'jin declared open revolution like Baine and apparently Sylvanas and Gallywix). Then, either in the post-Orgrimmar, pre-expansion patch and/or the next expansion's release content/event, we'll see the long-term Warchief take the throne, if it's not Vol'jin.

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    Idk man... If the Warchief is not an orc, I just cannot see me standing at his side. Seriously, I rather be Alliance than have an Orc Leader that isn't an Orc. New Horde or Old Horde, a WARCHIEF needs to be an ORC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonridor View Post
    Idk man... If the Warchief is not an orc, I just cannot see me standing at his side. Seriously, I rather be Alliance than have an Orc Leader that isn't an Orc. New Horde or Old Horde, a WARCHIEF needs to be an ORC.
    The position of Orcish Warchief and Warchief of the Horde need not remain one and the same, and likely won't after Garrosh's reign ends next patch. Odds are each race will have their racial leader, then the Horde will have a Warchief separate from racial leadership. I also foresee the other leaders getting ultimate veto power on the Warchief's military decisions that affect the Horde as a whole and not just his/her people, to prevent another Garrosh.

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    That's a relief, when they implied it wouldn't be resolved until next expansion I was like... :S

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    It's obviously Vol'jin or even that blood elf guy who flips his hair all the time
    Man there better be a /hairflip emote when they remake the models!

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    Sylvanas!!!!

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    Garrosh stands back up and knocks down the raid.

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  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    The position of Orcish Warchief and Warchief of the Horde need not remain one and the same, and likely won't after Garrosh's reign ends next patch. Odds are each race will have their racial leader, then the Horde will have a Warchief separate from racial leadership. I also foresee the other leaders getting ultimate veto power on the Warchief's military decisions that affect the Horde as a whole and not just his/her people, to prevent another Garrosh.
    That situation would probably not have prevented Garrosh. Certain things that happened sure, but it would have still played out the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absintheminded View Post
    That situation would probably not have prevented Garrosh. Certain things that happened sure, but it would have still played out the same
    Yeah, I'll have to agree more or less, Garrosh probably wouldnt have gave a shit about the opinion of any other Race. The only thing that would have prevented this is him not beeing in power, that sure went to his head, pretty sure everyone saw it a mile away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absintheminded View Post
    That situation would probably not have prevented Garrosh. Certain things that happened sure, but it would have still played out the same
    Garrosh goes "Hey guys, let's go take over Pandaria!"
    Other leaders: "No."
    Garrosh: "FINE THEN. ALL Y'ALL GONNA FALL IN LINE OR GET CRUSHED."
    Other leaders: "Okay. /rebellion"

    So... I guess in broad strokes it would have gone the same way, but without destroying huge swaths of land and desecrating the locals' holiest of holy ground in the process and with a lot of troops that didn't get killed fighting Garrosh's war for him, and without Garrosh having had the opportunity to gather up artifacts and Y'shaarj's heart. It would've made the Siege much less one-sided for the rebels and may have negated the need to team up with the Alliance, given Vol'jin's implicit understanding with Sylvanas that would let her use the val'kyr to raise corpses for reinforcements.

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  17. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Dansdog View Post
    Why no Love for Sunwalker Dezco?
    Dezco's relentlessly moronic actions in Pandaria, both in game and his short story, make me consider him an even worse candidate than Garrosh! I really hope he doesn't live to see the next expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balager View Post

    "Did you think we have forgotten? Did you think we have forgiven? Behold now, the terrible vengeance of the Forsaken"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    The position of Orcish Warchief and Warchief of the Horde need not remain one and the same, and likely won't after Garrosh's reign ends next patch. Odds are each race will have their racial leader, then the Horde will have a Warchief separate from racial leadership. I also foresee the other leaders getting ultimate veto power on the Warchief's military decisions that affect the Horde as a whole and not just his/her people, to prevent another Garrosh.
    I know it sounds racist (lol), but Warchief is an orcish title and if another race is to be a Horde Leader, he should never be called Warchief. I don't care if the leader is a troll or a tauren, but if it comes to that, he CAN'T be called Warchief, it's stupid.

    It's like naming a Draenei High King! Draenei doesn't have kings, just like trolls doesn't have warchiefs. A warchief needs to be the orc racial leader AND the Horde leader, just like the supreme commander (or high king) is the human and Alliance leader.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonridor View Post
    I know it sounds racist (lol), but Warchief is an orcish title and if another race is to be a Horde Leader, he should never be called Warchief. I don't care if the leader is a troll or a tauren, but if it comes to that, he CAN'T be called Warchief, it's stupid.

    It's like naming a Draenei High King! Draenei doesn't have kings, just like trolls doesn't have warchiefs. A warchief needs to be the orc racial leader AND the Horde leader, just like the supreme commander (or high king) is the human and Alliance leader.
    It's not really racism because the different races in WoW are mostly different species. A cat person can't be called a racist because he doesn't like dogs (Not the same thing but you know what I mean).

    And yes, I'm with you on the Warchief thing. Lets hope Blizzard doesn't mess this up.
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