The blood elves that willingly followed Kael'thas are in the same school as the orcs that now willingly follow Garrosh. The blood elves have nothing to suggest they know better about leading or not screwing up anymore then orcs are.
And given how the blood elves were considering going back to the alliance, who in the right mind wants a blood elves leader whos loyalties would extend to the hordes rival faction on a whim? No.. thats just beyond ridiculous.
Vol'jin - "used" to be suitable. But he raised rebellion against the Warchief despite his oath. Yeah - its a pity they brought it in, yeah it was "cool" at the time but there it is. Others may have followed...but HE led. I personally don't think he came out of 5.3 that well. But that's just me. Overall, however - I think he si the front runner with his major flaw bieng the relative size of his Tribe. As a rising star, however - maybe he can get one of the BIG Troll tribes/nations to back him.
Gallywix? Totally unsuited. He'd sell the Horde. No interest whatsoever.
Ji? Yeah....a non-entitiy.
Baine? Young and inexperienced. He also appears to be respected, is liked by the Alliance and has Cairnes legacy as co-ruler of the Horde to back him up. He'd be suitable but he'd need advisors and as with Vol'jin it partially would depend on how the Orcs see him for violating the Oath.
That leaves the Orcs racial leader as a candidate. Saurfang and Thrall would both seem to be good choices.
Other candidates? Rexxar. Untouched by the Civil War, yet respected by both sides. A potential.
A Council? Unlikely given issues with the Forsaken and so on.
Doing away with the Warchief? Downgrading it to a merely military title akin to the Alliances Supreme Commander? Again an idea.
An Orcs who fought for Garrosh - out of honor? Nazgrim would have been a good choice under this criteria.
So...Vol'jin. Baine. Rexxar. Saurfang. Thrall. Anyone else?
Personally - what I'd like to see the next Xpac focus on is rebinding the Horde together. To actually unify them. They've had three civil wars in three years. Not good. That's also not counting in the BElfs against Kael, nor the various splits in the Orcish Horde.
Right now, the Horde doesn't seem able to provide the protection the Forsaken want and need against the Alliance. Gallywix doesn't care so long as he gets paid...but as long as he is with the Horde, he's esentially locked out of the Alliance markets. LT will have to decide whether staying in a dsinitegrating Horde is inded best for his people. Ji came to the horde to help out - and found that he wasn't treated that well and the Horde essentially stood for everything he opposed. And since many of the Orcs sided with Garrosh, there is going to be a certain element of distruct against one of the Hordes more powerful members.
Of copusre, all this is based on the characters right now. If Blizzard wanted Varian to be Warchief, that'd be the case.
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Did I personally argue for a blood elven Warchief? No I did not, Lor'themar would be wasted in that position, though there are fitting candidates for the title and not all of them are orcs.And given how the blood elves were considering going back to the alliance, who in the right mind wants a blood elves leader whos loyalties would extend to the hordes rival faction on a whim? No.. thats just beyond ridiculous.
He who sees his own doom can better avoid its path. He who sees the doom of others can deliver it.
I'd prefer the next Warchief to either be Saurfang or Lor'themar. Vol'jin seems increasingly overrated in my eyes; the aforementioned Orc/Blood Elf have much more merit to me.
Also, pointless to argue with Trassk; he's still stuck in his Warcraft: Orcs & Humans attitude concerning the positions of King and Warchief. In a way, I want Lor'themar to the be Warchief just to piss off the 'Hardcore' Horde players who are still living in a Pre-TBC fantasy.
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If you cannot command, then you must obey. - Prince Nuada
I can't help but think that they are possibly foreshadowing Rexxar's return with Hearthstone. I mean why would he of all characters be in the Hunter role? Why not put Hemet Nesingwary, or some other random hunter? You may think that because he's a well established W3 character, but if that is the case then why use Garrosh as Warrior instead of Grom? There is a very strong chance that Rexxar will make an appearence next expac one way or another. As for him being warchief, if you want to look for someone that is on good terms with the Alliance, last I checked he was on pretty good terms with Jaina (except for him leading an army to murder her father and all...). I don't know why I keep throwing the Rex argument, but I have a strong feeling he will return
Think about it this way. What if the roles were swapped, and a new High King of the Alliance had to be named? And then, instead of a Human, which I'm sure there'd be at least a few candidates for, someone like Captain Jarod Shadowsong, or some other Night Elf stepped up? (I said Shadowsong because he's the only really notable Night Elf I can remember right now. I know there are more.) It just wouldn't be right, because it's contrary to the founding culture of the Alliance. A Night Elf would never sit the throne in Stormwind - he'd probably end up making Darnassus, or some other, more Night Elf oriented city the capital of the Alliance. It'd be a gigantic shift in the culture of the whole Alliance.
The same goes for the Horde in my eyes, because... Say Baine got the title of Warchief (not saying I think he ever would.) It'd end up with a lot more of a peaceful Horde, and the Tauren would be the more primary race of the Horde. That's just how it is, in my eyes. The Warchief, and the King of the Alliance, should both be of the races that actually founded the Horde/Alliance in the first place, to preserve it's structure and culture.
One could make an argument about the factions needing to be lead by their original founders; but overall I think this has worked pretty poorly over the years. The Alliance has had a huge focus on the Vanilla races, for example; leaving the Draenei overwhelmingly neglected. I'd like to see this change; and I hope it will.
If you cannot command, then you must obey. - Prince Nuada
What the fuck? Still stuck in what mentality? The Orcs rallied every race under their banner led by Thrall. Now it's all different? The trolls haven't done shit sorry, neither has the Tauren, and the undead have done nothing either. The blood elves do not care for the Horde, they joined because the Alliance scumbagged them. And you don't want an Orc leader? Okay....
It would make most sense, if alliance nominates leader of their choice for new horde leader. This is how it happens usually after war.
Here's an idea. With Sylvanas not really being around since the Battle of Andorhal, she likely has the most uninjured, fresh soldiers. Even if she herself won't be the new Warchief, I'd imagine she would have a stromg saying in the matter. That's a good omen for Lor'Themar. Of course the ones who gave her the Undercity back were Thrall and Vol'Jin. Thrall hopefully dies, so that leaves the troll.
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