Blizz denies Tinker class... or did they?

[D4NNYB0Y]

A Tinker would have to stretch an awful lot of conventional rules in regards to the function of stats compared to other classes given that gear either improves a players ability to do magic, or their own physical prowess. The whole point of a Tinker is that it's their tech doing the work, not them directly.

Not really, Engineering classes have been done in other RPGs which used stat systems. Diablo III Demon Hunters, Torchlight 2 Engineers, and Dungeons and Dragons Artificers come to mind.

Why do you people always try to read something else what blizz has said? Have you any reason, or has blizzard ever said something like that in twitter and then later we found out that they lied?

One example ottomh would be when asked if Mists was the next expansion they responded (paraphrased), "Usually when we talk about pandas it has to do with books or the card game." Something like that, couldn't find the exact quote after a cursory search.

lol clearly a silly idea that should be given no consideration. No real way to build a class around it with no point to it.

You're very unimaginative. It can easily be done and has been in dozens of games. The Engineer is a major class archetype in video and pnp games.

WTF is a tinker class anyway?

Pick your poison (quoting myself from another thread):

Alright, I've had enough of this nonsense. List of games with either Engineering classes or some sort of punk setting to draw inspiration from:

Torchlight 2's Engineer is a popular recent example:

http://torchlight.wikia.com/wiki/Engineer

Also the Alchemist from TL1 fits the archetype:

http://torchlight.wikia.com/wiki/Alchemist

Then we have Diablo III's Demon Hunter and their various tech skills (turrets, rockets, grenades, and so on):

http://www.diablowiki.net/Demon_Hunter

The Traps Assassin of DII fits the bill:

http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Assassin

Dungeon and Dragon's Artificer class is a classic (hurr) example:

http://community.wizards.com/go/thre...er_Manual?pg=1

How about Heimerdinger for MOBA fans?:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Heimerdinger

or Engineer from HoN?:

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/heroe.../Engineer#hero

or even Tinker from DotA2:

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Tinker

Granted that last one was really just a ripoff of Warcraft III's Tinker, but there're many more heroes within these three MOBAs that fit the archetype that I didn't mention.

Speaking of Warcraft III there's:

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...intinker.shtml

and

http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...lchemist.shtml

and a bunch of other non-hero units I won't mention for the sake of brevity. I won't go into the different classes from the RPG books for the same reason.

Let's get back to the realm of MMO's. You mentioned SWTOR's Bounty Hunter:

http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/bounty-hunter

but failed to mention the Trooper:

http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/trooper

Admittedly a mirror of the former, but he has his own flavor.

There's also the Smuggler and the Imperial Agent:

http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/smuggler

http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/imperial-agent

All four classes have elements of the Engineer archetype.

We also have the aptly monikered Dwarven Engineer from Warhammer Online:

http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Engineer

And more recently the Engineer profession from Guild Wars 2:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Engineer

There's the futuristic Engineer from Firefall:

http://www.firefallthegame.com/pages/accord-engineer

And the planeswalking Tactician of Rift:

http://rift.wikia.com/wiki/Tactician

But wait there's more!

Final fantasy has a myriad of jobs that fit snugly under the Engineer's umbrella, most notably the Chemist:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Chemist_(Job)

and Gunner:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gunner

There was also an Engineer in Final Fantasy Tactics:

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Machinist_(Tactics)

and many Final Fantasy settings involve technology. VII, IX, and X come to mind.

In the land of FPSs we have TF2. The Engineer suits our purposes perfectly:

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Main_Page

Most of the other classes work great as well.

Borderlands gave us Roland:

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Roland

and Borderlands 2 gave us Axton:

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Axton

BioShock is based entirely around a mix of Decopunk and Biopunk:

http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/BioShock_Wiki

and would theoretically fit this expansion's theme quite well if it proves to involve the undersea.

Dishonored is steampunk or "whalepunk" as some like to call it so some of the gadgets and tech could be utilized to get the gears turning:

http://dishonored.wikia.com/wiki/Dishonored_Wiki

Elder Scrolls isn't very steampunk for the most park, but there's still the Dwemer:

http://uesp.net/wiki/Lorewemer

The Fallout series is just awesome:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki

And how could we not include the Engineer class from the Mass Effect trilogy featured in each game?:

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Engineer

Fable certainly has some steampunkiness to it:

http://fable.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

Lots of good stuff in the Iron Brigade TD:

http://ironbrigade.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Brigade_Wiki

If we look at RTSs we have Stracraft's Terrans:

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Terran

Damn near every unit has some Engineer flavor.

Same goes for 40k's Guardsmen:

http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/Retribution/Imperial_Guard

and Tau:

http://dow.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_S...%27O_Commander

Atlantis was mentioned earlier. What about the Atlantis civ from Age of Mythology? They certainly had some tech:

http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Atlanteans

Hell lets go back a decade to Wizardry 8. It gave us the Gadgeteer and the Alchemist:

http://www.zimlab.com/wizardry/samjack/classes.html

So please people stop with this insipid blather of "Herp de der yous can't has it's not poosible!!!1" It's entirely fucking "poosible" you just haven't played enough godamn video games to see the "poosibilities."

I mean at the end of MMVII there were fucking laser rifles! Laser rifles!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_a...lood_and_Honor

So... what's the difference between a Tinker and an Engineer?

Tinker's a profession, not a class.

See above. It can easily be both. Thematic synergy b/w classes and professions is actually a plus from a developer's perspective.

[Count Zero]

You're dense.

Well, that was uncalled for.

I read it as dodging the question. Let's say Tinkers are planned, they can't just give that info away now. Let's say they flat said no, but then Tinkers eventually make their way into the game -- people would bring up this tweet and wave it in their faces. The community's tendencies are why they have to be so vague.

[Lochton]

Sigh.... once again Blizz PR says something without actually saying anything.

They say the screenshot is fake, and yet as usual sidesteps any questions over whether there is a 4th spec planned since they had tri-spec in the works on one PTR test. They also manage to sidestep the question over if a Tinker class is planned or not, merely saying "it depends on the treatment" WOW blizz... what a non-answer.

Maybe some of them should get into politics.

Because the picture was fake, there's no need to confirm nor deny the ideas - if the reason the questions was answered, was build on fake information and clues.

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So... what's the difference between a Tinker and an Engineer?

Tinker's a profession, not a class.

Wrong, Tinker is a speciality. They are a class, with their skills aimed into the books of science. Alchemy and Engineering, Energy-tech - all science used by different kinds of Tinkers.

[zephid]

None of the Tinker abilities exist in engineering. Also the Tinker hero was a melee/ranged hybrid.

That will never happen. When they removed the ranged slot for melee classes and the melee slot for hunters they pretty much removed the ability of being a melee/range hybrid.

[Gamevizier]

I'm one of those who says it's not a confirmation nor dismissal. but Bizzard most of the time says stuff like " we got no plans for this atm " or like the screenshot they just confirm it to be fake.

the fact that they didnt' say any of those things is intresting. but it can't be taken as a a confirmation or anything.

[CosmicGuitars]

You're reaching a bit with this one.

[D4NNYB0Y]

That will never happen. When they removed the ranged slot for melee classes and the melee slot for hunters they pretty much removed the ability of being a melee/range hybrid.

I think he was talking more along the lines of how Metamorphosis allows Demonology Warlocks to fight in melee range.

[Teriz]

That will never happen. When they removed the ranged slot for melee classes and the melee slot for hunters they pretty much removed the ability of being a melee/range hybrid.

Mistweaver Monks are melee/ranged hybrid healers. Enhancement Shaman, Demo Warlocks, and WW Monks are melee/ranged DPS hybrids

It all depends on implementation.

[Jessicka]

I think he was talking more along the lines of how Metamorphosis allows Demonology Warlocks to fight in melee range.

Meta does no such thing. We have no cause to be in melee range, at all.

[Tatuin]

Mistweaver Monks are melee/ranged hybrid healers. Enhancement Shaman, Demo Warlocks, and WW Monks are melee/ranged DPS hybrids

It all depends on implementation.

How is a WW a range hybrid? a WWs dmg from range is like 0

[zephid]

Mistweaver Monks are melee/ranged hybrid healers. Enhancement Shaman, Demo Warlocks, and WW Monks are melee/ranged DPS hybrids

It all depends on implementation.

No they are not. Having one or maybe two abilities that fits into the "other" role does not make you a hybrid.

[Amerissis]

A Tinker would have to stretch an awful lot of conventional rules in regards to the function of stats compared to other classes given that gear either improves a players ability to do magic, or their own physical prowess. The whole point of a Tinker is that it's their tech doing the work, not them directly.

Agility makes my bow do more damage... Strength can make a rocket do more damage. It's the same.

[Zeras]

I'd maybe accept Tinkerer class( even if sounds ridiculous) Aslong as gnomes and pandas are restricted from being them.

[Jessicka]

Not really, Engineering classes have been done in other RPGs which used stat systems. Diablo III Demon Hunters, Torchlight 2 Engineers, and Dungeons and Dragons Artificers come to mind.

Could it be done with convoluted explanations of how base stats transfer to the machine? Yes. Would it make sense? Not really. How about those proponents of Power Armour, wearing Armour on their Armour so they can be armoured while they're armoured?

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Agility makes my bow do more damage... Strength can make a rocket do more damage. It's the same.

Agility also helps you move around more quickly/steadily. It doesn't help your Spider Tank/Power Armour more Agile. And it's those things Tinker proponents want.

[zephid]

Meta does no such thing. We have no cause to be in melee range, at all.

Well you can activate immolation aura while in demon form, but just that one ability does not turn you into a melee/ranged hybrid.

If it did a mage would also be a melee/ranged hybrid since we want to be in melee range when we are using arcane explosion.

[Bakis]

He worded it negatively enough so people can drop any thought of it being part of the next xpac if ever.
So much is clear.

[Teriz]

How is a WW a range hybrid? a WWs dmg from range is like 0

Chi Wave, Spinning Fire Blossom, Crackling Jade Lightning, Expel Harm.

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No they are not. Having one or maybe two abilities that fits into the "other" role does not make you a hybrid.

Wind Walkers have like 5-6 ranged abilities. The most potent of which is Chi Wave.

[D4NNYB0Y]

Could it be done with convoluted explanations of how base stats transfer to the machine? Yes. Would it make sense? Not really.

It could be done without any explanation at all, and the vast majority of the playerbase wouldn't think twice.

Most people when told http://torchlight.wikia.com/wiki/Blast_Cannon scales off of Strength, don't ask, "Why?" they ask, "How much?" /shrug

[zephid]

Chi Wave, Spinning Fire Blossom, Crackling Jade Lightning, Expel Harm.

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Wind Walkers have like 5-6 ranged abilities. The most potent of which is Chi Wave.

And all of them are crap. There is no way a WW monk can be a ranged dps.

[Teriz]

And all of them are crap. There is no way a WW monk can be a ranged dps.

And what about Enhancement Shaman?