View Poll Results: Do you find this idea and this questline intresting?

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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Alliance is at their weakest too.

    Unless they magicaly replenished all those loses from the last few wars.
    oh didn't you know? alliance and horde were using the infinite resource cheat :P that's why we've been losing men since vanilla and never ever faced manpower issues during these...10 years???

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by banestalker View Post
    oh didn't you know? alliance and horde were using the infinite resource cheat :P that's why we've been losing men since vanilla and never ever faced manpower issues during these...10 years???
    And thats why I can never take warcraft lore seriously.
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  3. #123
    Meh dunno if an Alliance City can really exist that close to the meanest faction in WoW main city. But that place is way too cool to be left unused. But even IF they do decide to do something with it that benefits alliance players, then the horde players would want something too, that's how it goes. So what do they get? Maybe Kezan remade or something.

  4. #124
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    I doubt they will go back and spend so many resources redoing gilneas.. They have a new expansion ahead and most people either think it will be legion based or something to do with azshara.. I dont see how you would conect such a large scale redoing with either of thouse themes..

    Also i dont find it reasonable to have 2 major capitals so close to one another.. I say just give the worgens a city somewere else.. In Duskwood maby? Would make much mroe sense.. Its close to Sw and that zone as been forgoten for a long time.. And its close enough to Karazan to have some relevance if kara was revisited in a legion base expansion..

    But if that happened i would say that the horde would also need something in return.. Either finaly a rebuilt Silvermoon or Bilgewater HArbor expanded and becoming a proper capital..
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  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarry View Post
    But if that happened i would say that the horde would also need something in return.. Either finaly a rebuilt Silvermoon or Bilgewater HArbor expanded and becoming a proper capital..
    The entire Kezan island-continent for the Horde, and Zandalar too


  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    The entire Kezan island-continent for the Horde, and Zandalar too
    Don't know about Kezan, as not all goblins are Horde aligned. Zandalar is a neutral troll territory too, plus mostly destroyed.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarry View Post
    I doubt they will go back and spend so many resources redoing gilneas.. They have a new expansion ahead and most people either think it will be legion based or something to do with azshara.. I dont see how you would conect such a large scale redoing with either of thouse themes..

    Also i dont find it reasonable to have 2 major capitals so close to one another.. I say just give the worgens a city somewere else.. In Duskwood maby? Would make much mroe sense.. Its close to Sw and that zone as been forgoten for a long time.. And its close enough to Karazan to have some relevance if kara was revisited in a legion base expansion..

    But if that happened i would say that the horde would also need something in return.. Either finaly a rebuilt Silvermoon or Bilgewater HArbor expanded and becoming a proper capital..
    what if blizz decided to create a patch about the "Tritifal Monster" ? Alliance and Horde can both have capitals close to the zone west of Tristifal Glades. Which increases the reasons for high level players to hang out in Gilneas and Undercity.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by banestalker View Post
    you can't expect Horde to become alliance boot-lickers and puppets while in reality a losing side normally does that.
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    So, in this case we must turn the Alliance into Horde bootlickers and puppets because they have the luxury of "winning " the war instead?

    Azshara never had any major Alliance presence.
    As one example, Azshara is NElf territory, "major" Alliance presence or not.

    focusing on HvA was the main thing i liked about Cataclysm and MoP. it fact they should do more of that storyline, let Alliance contain forsaken threat while Horde is at it's weakest, and let Horde harass alliance in some other front.
    Its been done. And Blizzard cannot do the story justice because it is constrained by its unwillingness to show actual changes or impact. If Blizzard wants to do this in future, then they need to design with that in mind...phased content showing changes right form the design phase, potentially allowing BOTH sides to claim victory depending on conditions, and with no regard for an ill-judged sense of balance that doesn't affect gameplay.


    How would you feel if Brill and other towns around Undercity suddently turn into PVP objectives and Horde and Alliance forces would fight to control so close to Undercity? you can't have a major city and then build an open world PVP right next to it, it'll be too hectic and there will be raids on that city on a daily basis.
    Assuming Blizzard took the appropriate steps to control griefing and disruption of lower level content....what would be the problem here?

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  9. #129
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    Quote Originally Posted by banestalker View Post
    How would you feel if Brill and other towns around Undercity suddently turn into PVP objectives and Horde and Alliance forces would fight to control so close to Undercity? you can't have a major city and then build an open world PVP right next to it, it'll be too hectic and there will be raids on that city on a daily basis.

    as I said it before, the main reason that cities turn into ghost towns is that many important things are only found in SW and Org. like portals and pvp vendors, i think transmog vendors are also found only in those towns, which makes players not interested in those areas.
    It would be kinda cool, to be honest: Why CAN'T you have a major city close to a PvP objective? what's the point of adding another major city if there's no twist on the premise? It's just wasteful and unimaginative. I really don't see the point of adding Gilneas as a city just to end up abandoned like all the other cities: if it is going to happen, it has to offer new content, a new experience.

    This way you have Gilneas as a city AND you re-envigorate world PvP, what's not to like?
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  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    So, in this case we must turn the Alliance into Horde bootlickers and puppets because they have the luxury of "winning " the war instead?
    no, where did i say that ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    As one example, Azshara is NElf territory, "major" Alliance presence or not.
    land claims are usually followed by having major presence is those areas, Azeroth used to be NE territory but they didn't have any forces in that zone. Ashenvale on the other hand is a major territory protected by Night

    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Its been done. And Blizzard cannot do the story justice because it is constrained by its unwillingness to show actual changes or impact. If Blizzard wants to do this in future, then they need to design with that in mind...phased content showing changes right form the design phase, potentially allowing BOTH sides to claim victory depending on conditions, and with no regard for an ill-judged sense of balance that doesn't affect gameplay.
    that would mess up the lore furthermore. important lore progression needs to be a fixed event and not a dynamic event. for example if SW is besieged in the future and blizzard makes both sides winners Horde will burn SW and Allies end up killing the invaders, it would totally mess up the story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Assuming Blizzard took the appropriate steps to control griefing and disruption of lower level content....what would be the problem here?
    EJL
    Assuming that, but the only way I can see that happening is instancing the zone or phasing the participants.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by banestalker View Post
    oh didn't you know? alliance and horde were using the infinite resource cheat :P that's why we've been losing men since vanilla and never ever faced manpower issues during these...10 years???
    Those four pumpkin farms in Elwynn Forest have had some great harvests.
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  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDangerZone View Post
    It would be kinda cool, to be honest: Why CAN'T you have a major city close to a PvP objective? what's the point of adding another major city if there's no twist on the premise? It's just wasteful and unimaginative. I really don't see the point of adding Gilneas as a city just to end up abandoned like all the other cities: if it is going to happen, it has to offer new content, a new experience.

    This way you have Gilneas as a city AND you re-envigorate world PvP, what's not to like?
    I kinda like this idea now, but make that a fight for the Gilneas Wall. this way it'll be equally distanced between both capitals with 2 zones standing between them and the capital.

    btw : I was away for awhile, if i posted too late and this post is considered as necroing i apologize to mods .

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrth View Post
    Those four pumpkin farms in Elwynn Forest have had some great harvests.
    warpten

    keysersoze 200000

    leafittome 200000

    and there you go :P enough resources to invade outlands. I bet Varian and Garrosh both used it before each expansion.

    PS: these are W3 cheats for fast building, gold and lumber cheats.

  13. #133
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    We'll get back Gilneas eventually, sooner or later, and if it wasn't in Blizzard's plans, they wouldn't have made Varian after SoO saying it.
    I believe 5.5 or 6.0 is where this 'event' will take place.
    Gilneas City is not that big of a city anyway. It's about almost the same size as Bilgewater Harbor and it could work that way as well, and not as a new Alliance major city as many people complain. It's fine by me.
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