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  1. #281
    It would be really silly if they made High Elves an Alliance playable race.

    Then again, the fact that Blood Elves are in the Horde is silly to begin with.

    Thanks, TBC.

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    Who said they'd share the same model? They can give them a different model, different pose, different emotes, different overall looks while still looking elven.
    Why would they do that? They're exactly the same race. Maybe Defias humans should look different to other humans?
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    High elves have too small of a population to be their own race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    It would be really silly if they made High Elves an Alliance playable race.

    Then again, the fact that Blood Elves are in the Horde is silly to begin with.

    Thanks, TBC.

    Why is having the blood elves for the horde silly? it made perfect sense with the story of warcraft 3 imo.
    But giving a some left over bloo.. high elves as a actual playable race is rediculous.

    Blizzard has to put time and effort into the already excisting elf race for the alliance. Cus guess what the night elves are lame right now?

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    Eh i'd be fine with it i don't really care either way hell let any race be any faction through a traitor system betraying your own faction, or remove two separate factions either way players should be able to play any race they want no matter which side they play.

    Or at the very least make it so we can model swap without being suspended, just remove ability to exploit with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    And Worgen are no longer an established nation, neither are Gnomes. Nor really are Draenei, they inhabit a crashed space ship.
    Uh, the Worgen answer to their King, Genn Greymane, which is one of the main leaders of the Alliance.

    The Draenei, led by Velen, built a nation on Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isles. Like the Worgen, they are organized entities part of the political map of the Alliance.

    The High Elves are individuals, with no established organization or leadership, working for the different human organizations. The Silver Covenant is the military arm of the Kirin Tor, ruled by Jaina and the Council of Six (with a clear human majority).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northem View Post
    I know that sounds crazy, two different models for the same race does not seem logical. But it is the only solution to introduce the High Elves into the Alliance as a "new" race.
    Don't be ridiculous. There's no need for a specific HElf model. None at all. Current models are more than acceptable. The only issue would be how unique you want each faction to feel. Indeed, different models would get rid of one of the attractions of a HElf race - the lack of development costs, and I'm not convinced it would solve the "rehashed" argument at all. That'll be trotted out by some no matter how much of a reworking the HElfs got.

    No - I think IF HElfs were to be part of the Alliance, then it would be best to simply leave them looking as they are. Especially with the new models only 25% complete and BElfs being left for last. What Blizzard WOULD need to do is simply give the Horde an Alliance race - Highborne would be available without any lore twisting but other races could have some story written up. Maybe it's the Voodoo Gnomes of Strangelthorn, or the Iron Dwarves of Ulduar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    And Tyrande gets reigned in and chastised by Varian, she has no influence on important decisions.
    Comparing someone who controls an entire race and someone who controls a portion of Dalaran's military is quite foolish, Vereesa can throw a tantrum if she wants , but in the end the council decides all, so no she has no real influence. Right now she might ,because Jaina has a similar view, but should that change there is nothing she can do and has to obey the council, whether she agrees or not. High elves have no representative on the council after all.

    Not to mention Varian could ignore Tyrande and order her around in military matters, since he is the supreme commander.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Uh, the Worgen answer to their King, Genn Greymane, which is one of the main leaders of the Alliance.

    The Draenei, led by Velen, built a nation on Azuremyst and Bloodmyst Isles. Like the Worgen, they are organized entities part of the political map of the Alliance.

    The High Elves are individuals, with no established organization or leadership, working for the different human organizations. The Silver Covenant is the military arm of the Kirin Tor, ruled by Jaina and the Council of Six (with a clear human majority).
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Comparing someone who controls an entire race and someone who controls a portion of Dalaran's military is quite foolish, Vereesa can throw a tantrum if she wants , but in the end the council decides all, so no she has no real influence. Right now she might ,because Jaina has a similar view, but should that change there is nothing she can do and has to obey the council, whether she agrees or not. High elves have no representative on the council after all.

    Not to mention Varian could ignore Tyrande and order her around in military matters, since he is the supreme commander.
    So your reasoning we can't be High Elves is just that they don't have a singular leader? Pretty lame reasoning tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    So your reasoning we can't be High Elves is just that they don't have a singular leader? Pretty lame reasoning tbf.
    I think we all need to quit trying to have High Elves in the game. If you REALY like the blue eyes just go to models and change some scryps dammit, I think most players just want to see something NEW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    So your reasoning we can't be High Elves is just that they don't have a singular leader? Pretty lame reasoning tbf.
    I am not arguing against playable high elves -.-

    I am arguing against stupid demands should they become playable, like their own kingdom more presence a unique model etc. the high elves are nothing more than a bunch of exiles clinging to the Alliance, that should be their theme, trying to find a lasting place in the Alliance, since on their own they simply can't function properly anymore.

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    Okay back to this thread again

    Also the role of magic using, light-using healer mage types has been taken up by the Draenei for the Alliance
    Don't worry they'll get lore soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    I am not arguing against playable high elves -.-

    I am arguing against stupid demands should they become playable, like their own kingdom more presence a unique model etc. the high elves are nothing more than a bunch of exiles clinging to the Alliance, that should be their theme, trying to find a lasting place in the Alliance, since on their own they simply can't function properly anymore.
    A new model is necessary for the affore mentioned 'silhouette' and 'prevent QQ about recycling' reasons.

    I'm also not sure 'exiles clinging to the Alliance' is a great theme, it's basically the Pandaren, Worgen, Gnomes and Draenei all over again, which is what's absolutely hamstringing their development as factions. For one thing, it's become a bit of a tired cliche. For another, exiles and refugees will simply never have enough clout to really have any justification in real plot developments and that's why only the Night Elves and Dwarves really show any influence in what happens blue side, and why when anything does happen, Varian calls them up to help - there's just no point calling up those other races because they just don't have the infrastructure to do anything useful and they're too busy dealing with their own internal issues to be able to offer anything of real significance anyway without asking where the hell did this come from, aren't they refugees and exiles with a ton of internal issues? Which is precisely why we end up with High Elves of Dalaran helping anyway because they're established, homed and able to offer something useful.

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    id rather see some Draenei & worgen stories and development instead of adding another elvish class.
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    Why do people keep asking for new models for the High Elves ?

    Did worgens in human form have different animations and looks compared to the regular humans ? No they don't.

    If the High Elves would be introduced in the game,then they would have to look exactly as the Blood Elves,they are the same race. The majority of the High Elves that survived the scourge attack ARE the Blood elves. The ones you have in the alliance right now are just a handfull of rebel elves that refused to accept the change and follow a different path,like the rest of the high elves,now blood elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haytham View Post
    Why do people keep asking for new models for the High Elves ?

    Did worgens in human form have different animations and looks compared to the regular humans ? No they don't.

    If the High Elves would be introduced in the game,then they would have to look exactly as the Blood Elves,they are the same race. The majority of the High Elves that survived the scourge attack ARE the Blood elves. The ones you have in the alliance right now are just a handfull of rebel elves that refused to accept the change and follow a different path,like the rest of the high elves,now blood elves.
    Because people complain about PvP silhouettes and shit. A different idle stance and animations would be enough for easy differentiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    A new model is necessary for the affore mentioned 'silhouette' and 'prevent QQ about recycling' reasons.

    I'm also not sure 'exiles clinging to the Alliance' is a great theme, it's basically the Pandaren, Worgen, Gnomes and Draenei all over again, which is what's absolutely hamstringing their development as factions. For one thing, it's become a bit of a tired cliche. For another, exiles and refugees will simply never have enough clout to really have any justification in real plot developments and that's why only the Night Elves and Dwarves really show any influence in what happens blue side, and why when anything does happen, Varian calls them up to help - there's just no point calling up those other races because they just don't have the infrastructure to do anything useful and they're too busy dealing with their own internal issues to be able to offer anything of real significance anyway without asking where the hell did this come from, aren't they refugees and exiles with a ton of internal issues? Which is precisely why we end up with High Elves of Dalaran helping anyway because they're established, homed and able to offer something useful.
    Lorewise the high elves have nothing of value, but their own lives, heck this is what blizzard wrote of them

    They are a very small group of individuals scattered all over the world. As such, they do not have common opinions or goals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture--only a past filled with glory and regret.
    No they don't need a uniqe model, because their situation is exactly the same as the pandaren. You want high elves and want to avoid recycled content qq, no matter what you do it will happen regardless, blood and high elves are the same people after all. Just endure it and move on.

    You want to make high elves into something that they simply aren't, they are refugees, have no real home anymore,are splintered. Should they become playable blizzard shouldn't retcon the entirety of their established lore, instead they should work with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Because people complain about PvP silhouettes and shit. A different idle stance and animations would be enough for easy differentiation.
    But is unnecessary, Pandaren made sure of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Because people complain about PvP silhouettes and shit. A different idle stance and animations would be enough for easy differentiation.
    Look, the truth is, either option is flawed. Let them keep the same model, which is logical as they are same race, we will pounce on Blizzard for recycling the Blood Elves.

    Give them a different model and we will criticise them for giving them the same race two models, criticise them for adding another elf race where none is needed, and then players on both factions will begin demanding access to the model the other side has.

    Jessicka there is no mutually agreeable outcome on the model issue. Both outcomes are horribly flawed and will give Blizzard tons of negative feedback.

    It's one of the many reasons they will not be added as a playable race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Lorewise the high elves have nothing of value, but their own lives, heck this is what blizzard wrote of them
    Which could be said pretty much of Trolls before MoP while they were splintered. But guess what, you got Darkspears since Classic.

    No they don't need a uniqe model, because their situation is exactly the same as the pandaren. You want high elves and want to avoid recycled content qq, no matter what you do it will happen regardless, blood and high elves are the same people after all. Just endure it and move on. You want to make high elves into something that they simply aren't, they are refugees, have no real home anymore,are splintered. Should they become playable blizzard shouldn't retcon the entirety of their established lore, instead they should work with it
    They should work with one, established and homed faction of them.

    Hate to call faction bias, but all the Horde factions have a home town and established governance. That allows each and every faction within them to have a bite of the cherry and do something when stuff happens. Only 3 Alliance factions have that, and can have that because the others are utterly useless as they're homeless and hopeless living under the protectorate of the other 3. If we're to get another race, we need an established and homed collective, bringing in another bunch of refugees won't do that. Unless we're getting another bunch of space people, only the Silver Covenant can really do that.

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    You'd get mad if they expanded the choices in the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Which could be said pretty much of Trolls before MoP while they were splintered. But guess what, you got Darkspears since Classic.
    They could actually be used in a similar way, the darkspear on their own aren't that much after all. Still Darkspear have their own territories, high elves have a few outposts and are guests in the human kingdoms. Though arguably Quel'danil is the only independent major hub left, since Alleria stronghold is only home to one ranger cadre.

    They should work with one, established and homed faction of them.

    Hate to call faction bias, but all the Horde factions have a home town and established governance. That allows each and every faction within them to have a bite of the cherry and do something when stuff happens. Only 3 Alliance factions have that, and can have that because the others are utterly useless as they're homeless and hopeless living under the protectorate of the other 3. If we're to get another race, we need an established and homed collective, bringing in another bunch of refugees won't do that. Unless we're getting another bunch of space people, only the Silver Covenant can really do that.
    But they are still refugees, the Silver Covenant does not own Dalaran they simply are allowed to live there, it is a human kingdom after all. It simply is the high elf core, they chose their morality over their well being and because of said choice are left with almost nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamisama View Post
    You'd get mad if they expanded the choices in the game?
    If said choices have no real basis in established lore, then yes I would be upset. High elves shouldn't just be able to pull through, magically even though they pretty much have nothing. They are a struggling people, one could even argue a dying "race".

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