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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    I am not arguing against playable high elves -.-

    I am arguing against stupid demands should they become playable, like their own kingdom more presence a unique model etc. the high elves are nothing more than a bunch of exiles clinging to the Alliance, that should be their theme, trying to find a lasting place in the Alliance, since on their own they simply can't function properly anymore.
    A new model is necessary for the affore mentioned 'silhouette' and 'prevent QQ about recycling' reasons.

    I'm also not sure 'exiles clinging to the Alliance' is a great theme, it's basically the Pandaren, Worgen, Gnomes and Draenei all over again, which is what's absolutely hamstringing their development as factions. For one thing, it's become a bit of a tired cliche. For another, exiles and refugees will simply never have enough clout to really have any justification in real plot developments and that's why only the Night Elves and Dwarves really show any influence in what happens blue side, and why when anything does happen, Varian calls them up to help - there's just no point calling up those other races because they just don't have the infrastructure to do anything useful and they're too busy dealing with their own internal issues to be able to offer anything of real significance anyway without asking where the hell did this come from, aren't they refugees and exiles with a ton of internal issues? Which is precisely why we end up with High Elves of Dalaran helping anyway because they're established, homed and able to offer something useful.

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    id rather see some Draenei & worgen stories and development instead of adding another elvish class.
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  3. #303
    Why do people keep asking for new models for the High Elves ?

    Did worgens in human form have different animations and looks compared to the regular humans ? No they don't.

    If the High Elves would be introduced in the game,then they would have to look exactly as the Blood Elves,they are the same race. The majority of the High Elves that survived the scourge attack ARE the Blood elves. The ones you have in the alliance right now are just a handfull of rebel elves that refused to accept the change and follow a different path,like the rest of the high elves,now blood elves.

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Haytham View Post
    Why do people keep asking for new models for the High Elves ?

    Did worgens in human form have different animations and looks compared to the regular humans ? No they don't.

    If the High Elves would be introduced in the game,then they would have to look exactly as the Blood Elves,they are the same race. The majority of the High Elves that survived the scourge attack ARE the Blood elves. The ones you have in the alliance right now are just a handfull of rebel elves that refused to accept the change and follow a different path,like the rest of the high elves,now blood elves.
    Because people complain about PvP silhouettes and shit. A different idle stance and animations would be enough for easy differentiation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    A new model is necessary for the affore mentioned 'silhouette' and 'prevent QQ about recycling' reasons.

    I'm also not sure 'exiles clinging to the Alliance' is a great theme, it's basically the Pandaren, Worgen, Gnomes and Draenei all over again, which is what's absolutely hamstringing their development as factions. For one thing, it's become a bit of a tired cliche. For another, exiles and refugees will simply never have enough clout to really have any justification in real plot developments and that's why only the Night Elves and Dwarves really show any influence in what happens blue side, and why when anything does happen, Varian calls them up to help - there's just no point calling up those other races because they just don't have the infrastructure to do anything useful and they're too busy dealing with their own internal issues to be able to offer anything of real significance anyway without asking where the hell did this come from, aren't they refugees and exiles with a ton of internal issues? Which is precisely why we end up with High Elves of Dalaran helping anyway because they're established, homed and able to offer something useful.
    Lorewise the high elves have nothing of value, but their own lives, heck this is what blizzard wrote of them

    They are a very small group of individuals scattered all over the world. As such, they do not have common opinions or goals. Indeed, modern high elves cannot even truly be said to have a culture--only a past filled with glory and regret.
    No they don't need a uniqe model, because their situation is exactly the same as the pandaren. You want high elves and want to avoid recycled content qq, no matter what you do it will happen regardless, blood and high elves are the same people after all. Just endure it and move on.

    You want to make high elves into something that they simply aren't, they are refugees, have no real home anymore,are splintered. Should they become playable blizzard shouldn't retcon the entirety of their established lore, instead they should work with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Because people complain about PvP silhouettes and shit. A different idle stance and animations would be enough for easy differentiation.
    But is unnecessary, Pandaren made sure of that.
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  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Because people complain about PvP silhouettes and shit. A different idle stance and animations would be enough for easy differentiation.
    Look, the truth is, either option is flawed. Let them keep the same model, which is logical as they are same race, we will pounce on Blizzard for recycling the Blood Elves.

    Give them a different model and we will criticise them for giving them the same race two models, criticise them for adding another elf race where none is needed, and then players on both factions will begin demanding access to the model the other side has.

    Jessicka there is no mutually agreeable outcome on the model issue. Both outcomes are horribly flawed and will give Blizzard tons of negative feedback.

    It's one of the many reasons they will not be added as a playable race.

  7. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Lorewise the high elves have nothing of value, but their own lives, heck this is what blizzard wrote of them
    Which could be said pretty much of Trolls before MoP while they were splintered. But guess what, you got Darkspears since Classic.

    No they don't need a uniqe model, because their situation is exactly the same as the pandaren. You want high elves and want to avoid recycled content qq, no matter what you do it will happen regardless, blood and high elves are the same people after all. Just endure it and move on. You want to make high elves into something that they simply aren't, they are refugees, have no real home anymore,are splintered. Should they become playable blizzard shouldn't retcon the entirety of their established lore, instead they should work with it
    They should work with one, established and homed faction of them.

    Hate to call faction bias, but all the Horde factions have a home town and established governance. That allows each and every faction within them to have a bite of the cherry and do something when stuff happens. Only 3 Alliance factions have that, and can have that because the others are utterly useless as they're homeless and hopeless living under the protectorate of the other 3. If we're to get another race, we need an established and homed collective, bringing in another bunch of refugees won't do that. Unless we're getting another bunch of space people, only the Silver Covenant can really do that.

  8. #308
    You'd get mad if they expanded the choices in the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Which could be said pretty much of Trolls before MoP while they were splintered. But guess what, you got Darkspears since Classic.
    They could actually be used in a similar way, the darkspear on their own aren't that much after all. Still Darkspear have their own territories, high elves have a few outposts and are guests in the human kingdoms. Though arguably Quel'danil is the only independent major hub left, since Alleria stronghold is only home to one ranger cadre.

    They should work with one, established and homed faction of them.

    Hate to call faction bias, but all the Horde factions have a home town and established governance. That allows each and every faction within them to have a bite of the cherry and do something when stuff happens. Only 3 Alliance factions have that, and can have that because the others are utterly useless as they're homeless and hopeless living under the protectorate of the other 3. If we're to get another race, we need an established and homed collective, bringing in another bunch of refugees won't do that. Unless we're getting another bunch of space people, only the Silver Covenant can really do that.
    But they are still refugees, the Silver Covenant does not own Dalaran they simply are allowed to live there, it is a human kingdom after all. It simply is the high elf core, they chose their morality over their well being and because of said choice are left with almost nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamisama View Post
    You'd get mad if they expanded the choices in the game?
    If said choices have no real basis in established lore, then yes I would be upset. High elves shouldn't just be able to pull through, magically even though they pretty much have nothing. They are a struggling people, one could even argue a dying "race".
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  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Only 3 Alliance factions have that, and can have that because the others are utterly useless as they're homeless and hopeless living under the protectorate of the other 3.
    3? Humans, dwarves, night elves, gnomes, draenei. Only the Worgen are refugees and they still have an established leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumaya2000 View Post
    Look, the truth is, either option is flawed. Let them keep the same model, which is logical as they are same race, we will pounce on Blizzard for recycling the Blood Elves.

    Give them a different model and we will criticise them for giving them the same race two models, criticise them for adding another elf race where none is needed, and then players on both factions will begin demanding access to the model the other side has.

    Jessicka there is no mutually agreeable outcome on the model issue. Both outcomes are horribly flawed and will give Blizzard tons of negative feedback.

    It's one of the many reasons they will not be added as a playable race.
    Ahh the joys of an unpleasble fanbase, i bet it must suck to be a game developer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    3? Humans, dwarves, night elves, gnomes, draenei. Only the Worgen are refugees and they still have an established leadership.
    the draenei and the gnomes are also exiled from their homelands. that's what jessicka meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    They should work with one, established and homed faction of them.

    Hate to call faction bias, but all the Horde factions have a home town and established governance
    The Goblins have reformed Azshara but they don't have a faction capital there (no banks, no auction houses, no complete set of profession and class trainers)

    the Trolls have retaken the Echo Islands but they also don't have a faction capital there (no banks, no auction houses, no complete set of profession and class trainers)

    the Trolls are basically in the same position as the Gnomes, they have 'retaken' a part of their home territory, but only enough of it to have a starting zone, not a capital. The Gilneans and Goblins are both refugee nation (although the goblins have built up Azshara really fast, i won't deny that)

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    the only true faction capitals in the game are:
    Orgrimmar
    Undercity
    Thunder Bluff
    Silvermoon

    Stormwind
    Ironforge
    Darnassus
    Exodar

    Bilgwater harbor is not a capital (Although in the future it could be), the Echo Islands are not a capital.
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  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by rumaya2000 View Post
    Look, the truth is, either option is flawed. Let them keep the same model, which is logical as they are same race, we will pounce on Blizzard for recycling the Blood Elves.

    Give them a different model and we will criticise them for giving them the same race two models, criticise them for adding another elf race where none is needed, and then players on both factions will begin demanding access to the model the other side has.

    Jessicka there is no mutually agreeable outcome on the model issue. Both outcomes are horribly flawed and will give Blizzard tons of negative feedback.

    It's one of the many reasons they will not be added as a playable race.
    I recall Pandaren being an unpopular "joke" was why we'd never see them. A new model is the better option for giving them to Alliance, as one assumes Horde would get their own new race with a new model also.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    They could actually be used in a similar way, the darkspear on their own aren't that much after all. Still Darkspear have their own territories, high elves have a few outposts and are guests in the human kingdoms. Though arguably Quel'danil is the only independent major hub left, since Alleria stronghold is only home to one ranger cadre.

    But they are still refugees, the Silver Covenant does not own Dalaran they simply are allowed to live there, it is a human kingdom after all. It simply is the high elf core, they chose their morality over their well being and because of said choice are left with almost nothing.
    Either/or to be honest. They're pretty much the only faction left the Alliance could "take in" (or rather, have represent them) that wouldn't require some absurd FROM NOWHERE implementation and be able to show some semblance of base, organisation and structure - even if it's from within Dalaran - and wouldn't necessarily have to appear to be hopeless exiles since they've had time to re-establish themselves, even if few in number, like the Darkspear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grubjuice View Post

    the draenei and the gnomes are also exiled from their homelands. that's what jessicka meant.
    Yup, this. The Gnomes still haven't retaken Gnomeregan, and the Draenei still occupy a crashed spaceship.

    The Goblins have reformed Azshara but they don't have a faction capital there (no banks, no auction houses, no complete set of profession and class trainers)
    the Trolls have retaken the Islands but they also don't have a faction capital there (no banks, no auction houses, no complete set of profession and class trainers)
    They are considered 'homes' though, the Gnome's "home" is within a section of Ironforge, the Worgen's "home" is a tree in Darnassus. I can only guess that Azshara and the Islands lack those facilities because the Alliance QQ would be incredible, and fully justified.
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  13. #313
    Why would another elf group even be added.... high elves are practically blood elves.

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    frankly i would love so see Gnomeregan, Gilneas, Bilgwater Harbor and the Echo Islands all turned into capitals for the four refugee races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    They are considered 'homes' though, the Gnome's "home" is within a section of Ironforge, the Worgen's "home" is a tree in Darnassus. I can only guess that Azshara and the Islands lack those facilities because the Alliance QQ would be incredible, and fully justified.


    I think the Trolls position vis-a-vis the echo islands is about the same the Gnomes position in the Echo Islands, at best they both have new starting areas but they haven't exactly established capitals in either. the Darkspear are still in Orgrimmar and the Gnomes are still in Ironforge.

  15. #315
    You are really saying the High Elves should get a new model if they would be implemented knowing that the Blood Elves might be skipped from the list of model updates ?

    BE are the second most played race in the game and the NR 1 played race in the Horde,with a game loosing subs this fast,upsetting that playerbase would be a bad move.

    The Pandaren use the same model for both faction,the worgen in human form use the same model as the regular humans. The High Elves if playable,would need to be the exact same race.The only difference would be eyes and the fact that Blood Elves should have options to have "rune tattoos on their face" like it's presented on the wow wiki page.

  16. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    If Alliance ever do get High Elves then Horde should get Leper Gnomes, balance it out a bit on the shared model side of things.
    ummm...

    nou. Horde likes to punt anything that resembles a gnome. we dont want them here. they are ugly looking like the rest of the alliance races.

  17. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by Grubjuice View Post
    frankly i would love so see Gnomeregan, Gilneas, Bilgwater Harbor and the Echo Islands all turned into capitals for the four refugee races.
    More than that, they need it if they're going to be developed further - less true for the Goblins and Darkspear since we see a lot of them already (oddly the Horde refugees, right?) - but for their own faction's advancement and usefulness in the story of the game, the Worgen, Draenei and Gnomes need to sort their shit, rebuild and start contributing instead of hiding behind the Alliance banner for protection. They simply can't do anything, and can't be shown to be doing anything while that's the case; otherwise it's just if you can do this, how come you don't have homes to go to?

    I think the Trolls position vis-a-vis the echo islands is about the same the Gnomes position in the Echo Islands, at best they both have new starting areas but they haven't exactly established capitals in either. the Darkspear are still in Orgrimmar and the Gnomes are still in Ironforge.
    The Gnomes have Gnomeregan's surface, but it's still just a heavily militarised staging post, nothing more than that.

  18. #318
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    The Gnomes have Gnomeregan's surface, but it's still just a heavily militarised staging post, nothing more than that.
    Which was taken back by a military operation led by the Gnomish nation and their king, the High Tinker Mekkatorque.

    Once again, the High Elves are individuals inside each nation of the Alliance, with no organization or a political leadership. The Silver Covenant is not a High Elf organization, it's just one branch of the military forces of Kirin Tor.

  19. #319
    I play Alliance and I really don't want them to be added (even if they had completely new model). Each faction already has one elvish race and I would prefer if they added something else (even Nagas, Jinyu, Murlocs, Furbolgs... - anything else but high elves).

    I'm not sure if I'm right but I think that majority of those who want them added as a playable race for Alliance want them only for aesthethic reasons (they like how 'cutesy' Blood Elves are but don't want to play Horde) and I really hope that upcoming model upgrades (especially night elf and human ones) will satisfy them. I honestly doubt that there's a lot of people that wants them because of their lore.

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Which was taken back by a military operation led by the Gnomish nation and their king, the High Tinker Mekkatorque.

    Once again, the High Elves are individuals inside each nation of the Alliance, with no organization or a political leadership. The Silver Covenant is not a High Elf organization, it's just one branch of the military forces of Kirin Tor.
    Okay, so they barely have enough of an army or organisation to take back their own home. That's hardly a Kingdom; it's just a faction within Ironforge.

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