View Poll Results: Would you accept Lor'themar Theron as your Warchief

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  • I think Lor'themar Theron would make a fine Warchief. He's got my vote!

    304 37.12%
  • I'd be okay with it. Not the worst candidate.

    191 23.32%
  • I'm neutral on it. Don't care much either way, or am willing to let it slide, no worries.

    91 11.11%
  • No, I personally would not want him as Warchief.

    148 18.07%
  • This would be the worst decision ever! My rage will be felt on this!

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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    Would you roll alliance?
    What self-respecting orc would roll alliance? :P

    I'm still sticking with the idea that blood eves should break off from the Horde and form their own faction. They have NEVER fit in well with the Horde. EVER. They would make a great third faction, I think if done well (especially from a lore perspective) players would love it. Also that third faction would get some cool new races :P (since you can't really have a faction that is made up of just one race, and maybe Pandaren, since Pandaren are neutral).

  2. #282
    Blizzard never was very good on character development in WoW, that's not big news. Nor at displaying military tactics or races.

    And with Garrosh dead - who could've been a good, strong leader and actual Warchief - if they hadn't decided to make his head roll a while ago - gone, we really only have old Orcs around.

    Baine is a likely pick, but I think he is a bit too young still.

    Vol'jin loves the Horde, but I think he makes a better 'Watcher' or 'Guardian' of the ideals of the Horde - similar to Saurfang for example. He is the guy who kicks out the morons in power when needed.

    Lor'themar seems weird, because Bloodelf. But on the other hand, when you really dig into the Blood Elves and their Lore, you realize they aren't the fairy people that a lot of WoW players believe they are. He might make a decent leader until Baine is a bit older as I said before. And if the Draenei get lovin', it's likely the Blood Elves are also getting it.

    And we all know how "sensible" Blizzards decisions are.

    Also keep in mind the Horde is no longer composed of the more spiritual tribes. It uses the Arcane due to Blood Elves and has crazy engineers and greedy merchants with the Goblins. And they even got a few Pandas now.



    Worst case Gamon becomes Warchief.

  3. #283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    So, the blood elf nobody whos name they could even remember prior to mists now suddenly the gang bang wants him to be warchief because he got a little bit of lore.

    Yeah thats the kind of logic I expect from the wow community these days.

    Lor'themar has no idea how to govern anyone outside of his own people. He has no idea about the harshness of life races like trolls and orcs live in durotar, and he wouldn't give up living in his shiny silvermoon for that reason.

    And as many have said, he was five minutes away from leaving the horde altogether and joining the alliance, if not for Jaina and her doings. He isn't 100% loyal, and it took someone in the alliance saying 'fuk u' to make him change his mind. Thats not someone i want leading the horde, hell, even Garrosh had more loyalty as a raving sociopath

    lor'themar works fine in his position, have him build his role as a stronger leader for the blood elves.. but if you make him warchief, that role becomes all but pointless and he can't develop in it well having to deal with the entire horde.
    Like a broken record...

    Lor'themar has had involvement since his appearance in WoW, moreso than Vol'jin or Cairne ever did in the first two expansions. Most people knew who he was, and it was a joke not an actual thing where people didn't know who he was unless you were new to WoW or something.

    How do you know he couldn't govern the other races of the Horde? Does Vol'jin know? Does Baine? Garrosh had like one campaign before Thrall thought he was ready, and Thrall himself had barely any experience leading an army let alone an entire people when he became Warchief. People think Rexxar and Baine are good choices because they're ugly and savage, despite having little to no experience in leading anyone, much less the Horde.

    Lor'themar and the blood elves have also lived a harsher life in the last decade than the orcs, trolls, and tauren ever have. Could they survive having 90% of their race butchered by the Scourge, persecuted by Alliance racists that almost executed the rest of their race, betrayed by their prince and forced into a civil war, forced into a war with the Lich King right after, then having to deal with a Warchief that persecuted them just as much as the Alliance did?

    Lor'themar wanted to leave Garrosh's Horde, not the Horde he originally joined. If you forgot, Vol'jin wanted to leave the Horde since the beginning of Cataclysm until Thrall convinced him not to. Lor'themar does whatever he can to help his people, that doesn't include staying in a Horde that uses them like tissue paper.

    There's no reason you give why he wouldn't be a good warchief other than 'he just wouldn't do a good job '. I'm really curious to see who YOU would select as Warchief.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaragoth View Post
    Worst case Gamon becomes Warchief.
    Worst case or BEST case?

    I'd still love to see Blizzard develop some sort of epic backstory for him.

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Worst case or BEST case?

    I'd still love to see Blizzard develop some sort of epic backstory for him.
    He is part of the 5.4 as far as I recall. Nazgrim fight or something.

  6. #286
    To be fair he did prove to be a really cool guy on Isle of Thunder but at the same time during the last scenario he stated that the front lines was his true call and not paper work and all that jive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntzii View Post
    They'd let him be warchief for the same reason they bent over and let Thrall make Garrosh Warchief. Because at the end of the day, the horde is whatever the devs say it is.

    Oh and if the rest of the 'true horde' are such savage brutes, why are they ousting the king moron? Because they're not savage brutes.
    Because that king wants all the races in that Horde dead except orcs...? ...obviously? Also, please look up the definition of the term "moron" or at least proof-read your own fallacy-ridden drivel before you throw cute little names around. Thanks, bye.
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  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Xaragoth View Post
    He is part of the 5.4 as far as I recall. Nazgrim fight or something.
    Yeah but we still have no backstory for him. Who he is, where he came from, etc...Blizzard could do something really epic, perhaps as a half-brother to Baine or something similar.

    He'll probably remain a minor Org character, but after 5.4 it would be nice if the guy got a quest chain, at least (one that didn't involve pickpocketing).

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Zarahi View Post
    To be fair he did prove to be a really cool guy on Isle of Thunder but at the same time during the last scenario he stated that the front lines was his true call and not paper work and all that jive.
    He always was more of a warrior than a politican. He doesn't like it at all. But we saw with Garrosh and Thrall (WC3 mostly) that a Warchief is found on the frontlines.

    Depending on what happens in the next Expansion, the new Warchief might actually need to fight more than he likes. A she is unlikely at this stage. I doubt Sylvanas would take it even when offered, she doesn't give a damn about the living. And she showed before that she will ignore whatever anyone tells her to do when it pleases her. Though she does listen to Lor'themar in 5.4

    Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post
    Yeah but we still have no backstory for him. Who he is, where he came from, etc...Blizzard could do something really epic, perhaps as a half-brother to Baine or something similar.

    He'll probably remain a minor Org character, but after 5.4 it would be nice if the guy got a quest chain, at least (one that didn't involve pickpocketing).
    I wonder about the bit where Orcs constantly used him as a punching back. Might be just meta, but maybe there will be more to it sometime. He might make a good NPC for a Warrior Class Quest in the next expansion.
    Last edited by Xaragoth; 2013-08-27 at 02:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokaproductionist View Post

    Some prissy elf as a warchief?! NEVAAH! If Blizz even tries to make such a blasphemous move, my days as a Horde player are DONE.

    After all, it's orcs and humans, not elves and humans. Is it so hard to comprehend?
    Orcs vs humans is an old game for an old game base. Evolve with the times. or get out. Don't hold back the game with your ridiculous bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prwraith View Post
    Orcs vs humans is an old game for an old game base. Evolve with the times. or get out. Don't hold back the game with your ridiculous bias.
    Chris Metzen said it 1-2 years ago that it was Orc Vs Human at it's core. It's not just coming from posters on here. Accept Metzen or get out :')

    OT:
    Personally I'd be annoyed considering the fact he said he'd "consider old alliances" which tells me he would be a traitor if the situation for his Blood Elves was not good. A Warchief does not do this, nor even think it and that's why I think Lor'themar would be poor choice on Blizzard's part, given the words that came out of that possible traitor's mouth.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by NatePsychotic View Post
    Chris Metzen said it 1-2 years ago that it was Orc Vs Human at it's core. It's not just coming from posters on here. Accept Metzen or get out :')
    Metzen says a lot of stuff a lot of times. Sometimes he should just not say anything - or write it :P

  13. #293
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    Meh.
    It's not like the Warchief has any actual power.
    Adventurers went to Outland because the Legion was invading.
    They went to Northrend because Arthas attacked them.
    They went after Deathwing because he screwed up their land.
    I guess the only time that the ruler has had any influence was telling their adventurers to go to Pandaria to claim it for the 'insert faction here'.
    Even if Lor'Themar got warchief, he would have no impact, and would just be forgotten like most NPCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinyninja View Post
    Like a broken record...

    Lor'themar has had involvement since his appearance in WoW, moreso than Vol'jin or Cairne ever did in the first two expansions. Most people knew who he was, and it was a joke not an actual thing where people didn't know who he was unless you were new to WoW or something.

    How do you know he couldn't govern the other races of the Horde? Does Vol'jin know? Does Baine? Garrosh had like one campaign before Thrall thought he was ready, and Thrall himself had barely any experience leading an army let alone an entire people when he became Warchief. People think Rexxar and Baine are good choices because they're ugly and savage, despite having little to no experience in leading anyone, much less the Horde.

    Lor'themar and the blood elves have also lived a harsher life in the last decade than the orcs, trolls, and tauren ever have. Could they survive having 90% of their race butchered by the Scourge, persecuted by Alliance racists that almost executed the rest of their race, betrayed by their prince and forced into a civil war, forced into a war with the Lich King right after, then having to deal with a Warchief that persecuted them just as much as the Alliance did?

    Lor'themar wanted to leave Garrosh's Horde, not the Horde he originally joined. If you forgot, Vol'jin wanted to leave the Horde since the beginning of Cataclysm until Thrall convinced him not to. Lor'themar does whatever he can to help his people, that doesn't include staying in a Horde that uses them like tissue paper.

    There's no reason you give why he wouldn't be a good warchief other than 'he just wouldn't do a good job '. I'm really curious to see who YOU would select as Warchief.
    ^ This pretty much! It comes down to, what has Baine done more to make him worthy of Warchief? What has Vol'jin ever done more as a leader of the Darkspear than Lor'themar has as leader of the Blood Elves? If Lor'themar would've been part of the Horde from the beginning with Thrall you guys would've thought he was perfect, not even disputing his accomplishments as a Leader.

    He was there when the Scourged attacked, he fought, he helped his people after a near extinction and a betrayal by their Prince Kaelthas.
    He was considering old Alliance particularly because of Garrosh, not because of The Horde. What's so hard to understand?

    It's not a question of whether he is fit to lead The Horde, because he has proven himself of his qualities. Some of you are still living under the impression that The Horde is a representation of the Orcs. It is not, not anymore, you guys need to get this through your thick skulls. This is not Orcs killing Humans anymore. I could give a crap less about Orcs even being in The Horde. You guys are just as righteous as all the Human adoring Alliance fanboys, which are even worse.

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    So, the blood elf nobody whos name they could even remember prior to mists now suddenly the gang bang wants him to be warchief because he got a little bit of lore.

    Yeah thats the kind of logic I expect from the wow community these days.
    And that's the kind of reply I expect from someone who has no real argument.

    Lor'themar has no idea how to govern anyone outside of his own people.
    Basing this comment on what?

    He has no idea about the harshness of life races like trolls and orcs live in durotar, and he wouldn't give up living in his shiny silvermoon for that reason.
    No... losing most of his race to the scourge and then being betrayed by the alliance was a cakewalk. Yes, shiny silvermoon with that huge gash through it's center as a constant reminder of what happened to their people.

    And as many have said, he was five minutes away from leaving the horde altogether and joining the alliance, if not for Jaina and her doings. He isn't 100% loyal, and it took someone in the alliance saying 'fuk u' to make him change his mind. Thats not someone i want leading the horde, hell, even Garrosh had more loyalty as a raving sociopath
    No, he wasn't. He was looking at all the options, that doesn't mean he's about to turn on the horde. In fact he wasn't looking at turning on the horde, he was looking at turning on Garrosh, which he's doing.

    Garrosh had more loyalty to the ORCS. He has zero loyalty to the horde. The fact that you make that argument shows you have no clue about what's really going on. Garrosh is using all the other races as his cannon fodder to further the ORC agenda.

    lor'themar works fine in his position, have him build his role as a stronger leader for the blood elves.. but if you make him warchief, that role becomes all but pointless and he can't develop in it well having to deal with the entire horde.
    Because Garrosh didn't make the role pointless? He didn't taint that role? Please. You're grasping at straws that don't exist to cover up the fact that in the end, you simply don't want him to be warchief because he's an elf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxHeart View Post
    Because that king wants all the races in that Horde dead except orcs...? ...obviously? Also, please look up the definition of the term "moron" or at least proof-read your own fallacy-ridden drivel before you throw cute little names around. Thanks, bye.
    So what you're saying with this fail of a reply is... I won? Yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NatePsychotic View Post
    Chris Metzen said it 1-2 years ago that it was Orc Vs Human at it's core. It's not just coming from posters on here. Accept Metzen or get out :')

    OT:
    Personally I'd be annoyed considering the fact he said he'd "consider old alliances" which tells me he would be a traitor if the situation for his Blood Elves was not good. A Warchief does not do this, nor even think it and that's why I think Lor'themar would be poor choice on Blizzard's part, given the words that came out of that possible traitor's mouth.
    /sigh You guys are persecuting him over a consideration... a consideration that was made before the rebellion started. Vol'jin is throwing the horde into civil war but that's okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Lor'themar has no idea how to govern anyone outside of his own people. He has no idea about the harshness of life races like trolls and orcs live in durotar, and he wouldn't give up living in his shiny silvermoon for that reason.
    And does anyone else have an idea on how to govern the entire Horde? He has the best credentials.
    And maybe living in Durotar wouldn't be so harsh if they had a decent leader like Lor'Themar.
    And as many have said, he was five minutes away from leaving the horde altogether and joining the alliance, if not for Jaina and her doings. He isn't 100% loyal, and it took someone in the alliance saying 'fuk u' to make him change his mind. Thats not someone i want leading the horde, hell, even Garrosh had more loyalty as a raving sociopath
    Leaving the madness of Garrosh instead of starting a civil war is the most Horde-loyal thing anyone could do.
    Either if given a choice between having lor'themar as warchief, or peeling off all my skin and rolling around in salt.. i'd choose option 2.
    In that case: Sucks to be you!

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntzii View Post
    EXACTLY... I've yet to see an intelligent argument as to why, specifically he should not be made warchief other than his race. Any other arguments I've seen are full of loopholes that can be applied to any number of the other discussed candidates.
    You choose to ignore it.

    Lor'themar and Vol'jin may have both considered leaving the Horde, but the difference between them is, no matter how many times Vol'jin was tempted to leave (at least three times), he made a conscious decision to stay with the Horde. Lor'themar, in that one time that really mattered, had that choice made for him. Yes, this matters.

    Lor'themar Theron being more receptive to the Alliance ideal is also a mark against him because it means he's far more likely to be beholden to the interests of the Alliance than the Horde, and while that seems like a huge plus for the Alliance, that is not necessarily in the Horde's best interests. Turning the Horde into a satellite nation of the Alliance would only make the Horde resentful of Lor'themar. This similarly is a mark against Baine, who associates with Jaina and Anduin on a personal basis and on certain levels is indebted to them.

    If Varian isn't stupid he'll know that his goal is to make sure the Horde doesn't come back and hit him really hard somewhere down the line; making them thoroughly hate him only perpetuates the cycle of hatred. Having a say in picking the Warchief doesn't necessarily mean you pick the one that is most likely to side with Alliance interests (if that was the intended goal the true outcome of the war would be assimilating the Horde into the Alliance so any holdout would be ineffective), but rather the Warchief has to be one who can instill a sense of humility in opposition to the overwhelming pride of Garrosh's regime without destroying the soul of the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcaneshot View Post
    You choose to ignore it.

    Lor'themar and Vol'jin may have both considered leaving the Horde, but the difference between them is, no matter how many times Vol'jin was tempted to leave (at least three times), he made a conscious decision to stay with the Horde. Lor'themar, in that one time that really mattered, had that choice made for him. Yes, this matters.

    Lor'themar Theron being more receptive to the Alliance ideal is also a mark against him because it means he's far more likely to be beholden to the interests of the Alliance than the Horde, and while that seems like a huge plus for the Alliance, that is not necessarily in the Horde's best interests. Turning the Horde into a satellite nation of the Alliance would only make the Horde resentful of Lor'themar. This similarly is a mark against Baine, who associates with Jaina and Anduin on a personal basis and on certain levels is indebted to them.

    If Varian isn't stupid he'll know that his goal is to make sure the Horde doesn't come back and hit him really hard somewhere down the line; making them thoroughly hate him only perpetuates the cycle of hatred. Having a say in picking the Warchief doesn't necessarily mean you pick the one that is most likely to side with Alliance interests (if that was the intended goal the true outcome of the war would be assimilating the Horde into the Alliance so any holdout would be ineffective), but rather the Warchief has to be one who can instill a sense of humility in opposition to the overwhelming pride of Garrosh's regime without destroying the soul of the Horde.

    Frankly lor'themar just agrees with the game.

    1 Expansion : Team up to storm the dark portal and retake outland.
    2 Expansion : Team up to take out the lich king
    3 Expansion : Team up to take out deathwing
    4 Expansion : Team up to take out Garrosh.

    This whole freaking game is based around the principle that the horde and alliance are better off as a unit. MoP the most recent try and pitting the horde against the alliance failed miserably as nobody really truly cares about such a childish conflict that has no real merit at this point anyway.

    If anything it'd be logical to have two leaders who were sympathetic to this ideal so the game could move somewhere else rather than dragging this joke of a failed story behind it through another 4 expansions...where we team up to take someone else out.

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    if anything, the fact that Lor'themar was seriously considering leaving the Horde does not show his 'disloyalty' to the Horde, it shows he is a strict pragmatist, and I would prefer to be led by a pragmatist than an idealist.

    His putative 'disloyalty' to the Horde was only a disloyalty to a coalition that threatened the well-being of the people he governed; which, as a leader is his first responsibility. Were he the leader of the entire Horde, his responsibility would be well-being of the entire Horde, and when push comes to shove I confident he would be the sort of man to do what is best for the well-being of [all] his people.

    The fact that he doesn't 'like' being a paper-pushing politician is also a good thing. Professional Politicians are by their very nature slimy, smarmy sleaze-balls, and any man who would willingly enter into politics by that very willingness is unfit to enter into it. No one who wants to be a politician deserves to be one.
    Last edited by Grubjuice; 2013-08-27 at 02:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubjuice View Post
    if anything, the fact that Lor'themar was seriously considering leaving the Horde does not show his 'disloyalty' to the Horde, it shows he is a strict pragmatist, and I would prefer to be led by a pragmatist than an idealist.

    His putative 'disloyalty' to the Horde was only a disloyalty to a coalition that threatened the well-being of the people he governed; which, as a leader is his first responsibility. Were he the leader of the entire Horde, his responsibility would be well-being of the entire Horde, and when push comes to shove I confident he would be the sort of man to do what is best for the well-being of [all] his people.
    It's not the problem of leaving the Horde, it's leaving the Horde to join the Alliance.

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