I think Lor'themar Theron would make a fine Warchief. He's got my vote!
I'd be okay with it. Not the worst candidate.
I'm neutral on it. Don't care much either way, or am willing to let it slide, no worries.
No, I personally would not want him as Warchief.
This would be the worst decision ever! My rage will be felt on this!
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I think the better choice is Vol'jinn. He have been in a rough life since he was born, just like Horde, almost died for Horde and does everything for Horde. Lor'themar does everything for his people, but we all know Lor'themar would join Alliance if it was good for Blood Elves. Vol'jinn would never do this. He'd rather die fighting with Horde than become and Alliance Scrub. Vol'jin has the soul and the face of Horde and fought all of his ghost when almost died after been attacked by Garrosh's Killer. He's now ready to be the Warchief. A long road to build the complete Warchief.
it is not really accurate to say that Lor'Themar could 'keep Sylvanas in line,' Sylvanas can't really be controlled per se, but she can be negotiated with and persuaded in her course action (that is to say, BEFORE she has chosen that course of action).
Lor'Themar is perhaps the closest to the Sylvanas and his tact, their former relationship, and their shared position and history will have a greater chance of lending weight to his opinion compared than any other contender for war chief, but no one is really going to 'keep Sylvanas in line,' which ever path she chooses to tread is the path she will go down.
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Yet your counter-points blow our points out of the water? LOLand most of the counterpoints haven't been "blown out of the water" they've been met with what equates to "well..hey look at this other thing that I think makes him look good!"
Only because our great and brilliant hero Thrall talked him out of it. The fact is, both were considering option and making comments out of frustration and anger. The fact that you ignore the one, and condemn the other is laughable at best.vol'jin may have had thoughts of leaving, but unlike lor'themar he never acted on them.
Assumption not based on anything specifically stated in game.if not for the dalaran purge he WOULD have left to join the alliance without even having looked to the rest of the horde for aid.
And people grow and learn. The devs have shown that when push came to shove, Lor'themar can act.on the "blame the devs" they've had plenty of time to show him and when they finally did THAT'S when all of the love for him spontaneously came into being. you don't think he was "scared to act" go look at his leader short story, even going to northrend is a decision that's made for him by sylvanas.
You stated she was using it because he was forcing her. Go look at what you said.and I never said sylvanas would ONLY use it because of garrosh forcing her into fights, I'm saying she wouldn't use it AS MUCH.
Okay, so one minute you're arguing using Sylvanas as a negative tool against Lor'themar, now you're singing her praises and making excuses to cover her actions. You argue against yourself.gilneas was a fight she was forced into by garrosh, that is the largest use of plague we actually see in game aside from the unexplained circumstances of southshore, and she uses it there because garrosh managed to screw up the initial assault so badly she had to in order to keep an advantage.
That made me lol irl.also if you're going to make a comment based on my punctuation and way of typing in an attempt to discredit me, let me help you out. ?!@$!@%$@!%!@^!^$#^.
Not arguing against Vol'jin. Arguing against points you make yes, but not against Vol'jin. I've come to respect Vol'jin quite a bit over the last two xp's. Again, because I feel Lor'themar is the BEST choice doesn't mean I think others are fail choices. I'm simply backing up my standpoint. Arguing against your 'points' is not arguing against people.so...you're saying no to vol'jin because your speculation on what ifs...
Show me specifically where I said that. I said it's something in his favor. I NEVER said someone can't lead unless they're bestest friends with the alliance. Stop putting words into my mouth.and you're saying that unless someone is the bestest of friends with the alliance there can't be peace... right..
No... the one theme you fail to see is that any argument you make for someone can also be applied to Lor, and every argument you make against him can also be applied to the others. Despite what you think, you're failing to make a valid argument against Lor'themar because all of your arguments can also be applied to others.you then try to discredit baine who has about as much good leadership of his people as lor'themar has shown for the same reason you say I can't shoot down lor'themar.
/sigh I didn't dismiss Saurfang. I merely gave a counter-point, something you're familiar with attempting to do. You made an argument for him, I made an argument against. Yes Saur fought along-side them. Yes he's had diplomatic relations. I'm simply stating that the elves were once part of the alliance. That they shed blood and died along-side the humans fighting against the orcs. They have a bond of blood.and your dismissal of saurfang is yet again just saying "he's not bestest friends with the alliance, somehow that means he can't get peace with the alliance without having been a member of the alliance"
If you've looked, I've been as against people saying he should be warchief because he's an elf as much as people saying he shouldn't because he's an elf.and yes I agree with you no leader should be chosen or denied based on race, but that's part of my annoyance with this sudden "lor'themar for warchief" push. people seem to be pushing lor'themar more simply because he is a member of the most "alliance like" of the horde races (and no I don't say that meaning he should be in the alliance, they have good reasons not to be in the alliance), claims that the bloodelves should come to the forefront are almost all backed up by saying the horde needs to advance or "we have enough orcs vs humans".
That it's 'idiotic' is opinion.IGNORING THAT LOR'THEMAR ACTIVELY PLANNED TO ABANDON THE HORDE, THAT HE, MUCH LIKE GARROSH, WOULD BE PUSHED TO LEADERSHIP DIRECTLY AFTER A LONGSTANDING LACK OF CONFIDENCE, AND THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN WANT HIS OWN OFFICE BUT IS SUPPOSEDLY MEANT TO ACCEPT BEING WARCHIEF IS IDIOTIC.
When did he actively plan it? He said words in anger and frustration but when did he actually, actively plan it?
I'll start paying more attention to your points when your points stop applying to almost anyone. You could replace "Lor'themar" in many of your arguments with "Baine", or "Vol'jin", or "Sylvanas" or "Saurfang".but don't worry, I suspect somehow you will continue to ignore all points against him as ineffective but swear up and down your own arguments in his favor make him the best candidate ever.
It's nice to see that Wow LGBT population got their leader to represent such a great organization like Horde.
(No offence to real LGBT).
He isn't an orc so being warchief is out. He could be the leader of the Horde it would just be under a different title.
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Lets make it REALLY easy and make the achievement where you kills the other factions bosses a feat of strength. That way we don't have to worry about where who is stationed anymore, ya?
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Yeah lets put Vol'jin in place who'd die for the horde... is that before during or after his three attempts at seperating from the horde?
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If you can't get it through your head that being narcissistic is NOT the same as being gay, and/or that all gay people don't act like flamers, then take the advice I'm sure your mom gave you. If you don't have anything nice to say, STFU.
BTW, the 'all elves are gay' spiel is old and trite. Try being original instead of rehashing some crap that's TBC old.
EDIT: In fact, going through your posting history was quite illuminating. Seems you have a history of being antagonistic, insulting and trolling.
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And no, not Thrall. Thrall would be about 5 steps backward in terms of stupidity. I would relate it to Sylvannas being elected Warchief.
Then again, Blizzard has done some very stupid things with lore...
It would be really weird for a Blood Elf to take command of the Horde but I'd be ok with it as long as it makes sense that he became Warchief. I still think it should be an Orc as the Warchief though, wouldn't feel right without an Orc commanding the Horde.
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2. Not wanting the power would be good for a change > We need a leader that doesn't want to get power so he can abuse it.
Lor'Themar is the most diplomatic leader that the Horde has at this moment.
The lore writers should sit in a corner and be deeply ashamed if they appointed anyone else as the new Horde-leader.
They should also do this if this ends with no non-Orc guards in Orgrimmar.
They want her to explore the boundaries of what is considered good so people on the forum will discuss her and claim she will go evil "any second now!" for the next ten years.
To me, elf and war chief really don't go together. I'd prefer someone who actually deserves it, and I really don't think he deserves it, honestly.