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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBGamer View Post
    I will ask the same thing I asked on the interview. Why can we phase Theramore to "further the story" but not Dalaran, Ashenvale, or the Barrens. Really.
    Because Theramore was a major event leading into a new expansion. All they did was take a small area and replace it with an empty crater.
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    I wonder what % of people actually follow Lore. I know last tier they did a survey and it showed 11%. I hope they do another survey as I have never thought about Lore but I am curious if more or less people follow it now.

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    Siege of Orgrimmar totally needed Dalaran hovering over Orgrimmar while the Kirin Tor rain hell down upon the Kor'kron. I'm not sure how technically limiting it is, I mean as a background device to make the scene more epic surely they could have had a barebones version of Dalaran above Orgrimmar rather than planting two full cities atop each other?

    I'd be happy enough just seeing it there like some kind of monolithic death star above the city.

    Also I'm totally gutted that they didn't give at least a Scenario for the purging of the Kor'kron in Undercity in 5.3, it really needed to happen. Time would have much better been spent on it rather than the likes of the Battle of the High Seas scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Because Theramore was a major event leading into a new expansion. All they did was take a small area and replace it with an empty crater.
    its not just that either, the crater already existed, within the Theramore scenario

    Changing such zones as Ashenvele will require brand new work on npcs, quests, doodad location. Not exactly the fastest work as evident in Cata.
    Work that could be invested into more gameplay relevant things then freaking leveling zones that were just updated last x-pac

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    The Alliance players attacked a few shopkeepers and imprisoned a few BElfs and their families.
    The Horde got to stage a jailbreak.
    with the end result being Dalaran is now Alliance occupied
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    its not just that either, the crater already existed, within the Theramore scenario

    Changing such zones as Ashenvele will require brand new work on npcs, quests, doodad location. Not exactly the fastest work as evident in Cata.
    Work that could be invested into more gameplay relevant things then freaking leveling zones that were just updated last x-pac

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    with the end result being Dalaran is now Alliance occupied
    Show me this ingame, not during the quest mind you. My point is it would not take too long to phase for a level 90 Dalaran where the horde area is just either deserted or occupied by alliance. As I said before, I AM NOT MAD, I really couldn't care less, my point is just I think the people who keep asking for the moment are not getting it, I want a high king, thats it, but really, it is not that hard to delete NPCs in a phased area, that is even lazier than Theramore being the entire MoP Launch event. If you disagree with that you are simply lying to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    its not just that either, the crater already existed, within the Theramore scenario

    Changing such zones as Ashenvele will require brand new work on npcs, quests, doodad location. Not exactly the fastest work as evident in Cata.
    Work that could be invested into more gameplay relevant things then freaking leveling zones that were just updated last x-pac
    The whole zone doesn't need it. Literally its removing marauding Horde npcs from Maestra's Post and Raynewood, canning Hellscream's Watch, and returning Silverwind Refuge to the Night Elves. That is *not* a lot of work at all. Additionally the Alliance forces besieging Morshan and Splintertree can be withdrawn.

    with the end result being Dalaran is now Alliance occupied
    but not in-game, anywhere. One more bit of Alliance conquest or re-conquest not visible in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBGamer View Post
    My point is it would not take too long to phase for a level 90 Dalaran where the horde area is just either deserted or occupied by alliance.
    and so lvl 90 Horde players just cant go to Dalaran anymore?
    We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and so lvl 90 Horde players just cant go to Dalaran anymore?
    Yeah much like how level 90 Alliance players cant go to Theramore anymore (without Chromie, which could also be the same situation in Dalaran like Barrens/Theramore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    The whole zone doesn't need it. Literally its removing marauding Horde npcs from Maestra's Post and Raynewood, canning Hellscream's Watch, and returning Silverwind Refuge to the Night Elves. That is *not* a lot of work at all.
    Its more work than you are giving credit for
    And if you do all that what the hell are you supposed to do in the zone? Those areas consist of half the quests in the zone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and so lvl 90 Horde players just cant go to Dalaran anymore?
    Kosak said it was too much work putting an entire city floating over Orgrimmar, but I think Alliance players would be happy with it just looming ominously over Org with bolts of lightning being fired down from it just as Naxxramas loomed over Stratholme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Its more work than you are giving credit for
    And if you do all that what the hell are you supposed to do in the zone? Those areas consist of half the quests in the zone
    Revamp them because the Horde was defeated there in Cataclysm and now they are brought to heel under the Alliance and forced to comply (or so Kosak tells us). Alliance can rebuild and Horde can too. Starting with the mess they made consorting with demons once more. That's quest material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    Its more work than you are giving credit for
    And if you do all that what the hell are you supposed to do in the zone? Those areas consist of half the quests in the zone
    As they did with Theramore you make a Bronze Dragonflight NPC say you can go back in time. It really is not all that hard either, as you say. You really need to only delete NPC Pathing/Patrol Routes, Spawns, and Quest Pickups within the zone, once again, you can take a look at Theramore.

    That is the reason that alot of the people are so against the idea that they cant phase these things. It is incredibly easy and visually represents what is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Revamp them because the Horde was defeated there in Cataclysm
    they werent defeated there
    Its a stalemate, same with every other neutral/contested zone
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBGamer View Post
    That is the reason that alot of the people are so against the idea that they cant phase these things. It is incredibly easy and visually represents what is going.
    It really isn't that much work. It's a lot of excuse making. ffs what they did to the Vale is like 5 times as much work as this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCBGamer View Post
    You really need to only delete NPC Pathing/Patrol Routes, Spawns, and Quest Pickups within the zone, once again, you can take a look at Theramore.
    and add completely new ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    It really isn't that much work. It's a lot of excuse making. ffs what they did to the Vale is like 5 times as much work as this.
    the changes to Vale are the same amount of work you are asking for
    And thats a max level zones, Ashenvele is a 20-30 leveling zone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    they werent defeated there
    Its a stalemate, same with every other neutral/contested zone
    no, it wasn't and the fact you are deluded into thinking this is the PROBLEM. You never did the Alliance side only the Horde side and your ignorance is showing. Maestra's post siege was destroyed, the attack on Astranaar repelled (which was the final quest the Horde player does), then on to Raynewood where the horde is once more culled. Then continually pushing them back to the barrow where they corrupted the Forest's Heart (which was saved) and lastly, the final event in the Alliance arc which takes place *after* the Horde one is the destruction of the Warsong Lumbercamp. YOu kill everyone inside it, blow up their machinery and thus end the Horde's operations in Ashenvale. It was not a stalemate, it was an Alliance victory, but one only seen if you 1) play Alliance 2) read the quest dialogue 3) follow the lore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and add completely new ones
    No? We dont need new ones, we just need to remove the old horde ones. Making it empty. Why is that hard? Or even better instead of getting rid of them replace the horde guards spawns with alliance guard spawns, then all you did was change the model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    and add completely new ones

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    the changes to Vale are the same amount of work you are asking for
    And thats a max level zones, Ashenvele is a 20-30 leveling zone
    And the Vale was simply a daily questing hub for the golden lotus. A hub they removed and revamped as well. No one needs to even do dailies for their rep any more since gear is off it. AshenvAle is the home of the Night Elves, not that giant fucking tree grown off the coast. It's symbolically more important than its level range signifies.
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    When he said they thought up of Dalaran attacking org from the sky as scenery was really cool idea. To bad they decided they didn't do it. What they should have done was have these giant fire balls soar through the sky over the ocean from the Bilgewater cannon and blowing up on a shield surrounding a flying Dalaran on the horizen.

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    I just wonder how many alliance players will finally acknowledge that this "HORDE FAVORITISM" they claim METZEN keot in MoP, is like a punch in the faces of their own faction developers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    It's symbolically more important than its level range signifies.
    which dsnt matter
    Gameplay > lore
    Changing leveling zones had revelance when it was done, and how it hardly does. A gap in the quality of leveling content is hardly large, considering it only done last x-pac
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