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We have faced trials and danger, threats to our world and our way of life. And yet, we persevere. We are the Horde. We will not let anything break our spirits!"
But I think that could be exactly what causes Sargeras' depression - the Doomguard are created, employed by the Titans, but they're too twisted due to their affinity with dark magicks - they were intended to police the use of evil magic but grew to find it 'delicious.' So the Titans have Sargeras round them all up and lock them away, hence Sargeras getting bummed out - the Titans only made things worse by bringing an evil race into the universe.
Maybe that was the true source of Sargeras' hatred towards the Pantheon - the races they were creating in their quest for Order were going bad and becoming demons, and only making the universe a crappier place, hence Sargeras' plunge to the dark side and the beginning of his quest for total annihilation.
Could be part of it, at any rate.
Just some random thoughts on the interview:
Firstly the faction bias here is pretty clear. The sad thing is Kosak doesn't even seem to be able to comprehend that there's a problem with the Alliance side of the story and this is coming from someone who mostly plays Horde. What do we want? What I'd like is an outcome for the Siege that makes sense; i.e The Alliance occupies Orgrimmar and Varian is stationed in Garrosh' place for one patch. Then he selects a new Warchief and we're left with a few 7th Legion guards and maybe Anduin hanging out in Orgrimmar. Also I'd like to see the Alliance victories represented in the game, even if just through phased quests at high level and not in the game world at large. That would be logical and it would be Fist-pumpy.
I think Kosak is being coy about Tirisfal. Previous answers to that question made it appear as though they had a lot more specifically planned for Tirisfal. I'm going with Tyr being under there. I mean next time you say Tirisfal blend the words a bit. Sounds a lot like Tyr's fall to me.
I would have liked Dalaran floating above Orgrimmar. The technical difficulties make no sense. They didn't have to move the physical in-game city above Orgrimmar, they could have just had an unreachable animation in the Skybox and maybe in a couple of fights that mana barrages would have been a mechanic. Jaina or Vereesa needn't even appear in person, just a little acknowledgment that the Alliance pretty much has it's own Deathstar would be nice. As for the "problem" that it wouldn't fit with the tone of the Dungeon kind of falls apart now that everyone is saying how they wanted Dalaran there.
Disappointed at the shaky answers regarding Draenei lore. Really hope we get some more lore for them next Xpac.
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Thats why he wont give a definitive yes or no answer
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Good interview and some good questions.
I was disappointed as usual by Kosak's responses regarding Alliance themes, almost every new piece of Alliance lore is more about what is happening with the Horde. He presents answers like "the Horde is dissolving" which frankly we know nothing about nor does it concern us.Metzen mentioned at launch that this expansion was the build up to the war - is this still the case and bigger conflict is coming? Or is this the actual war now?
Alliance fist pump moment - it was promised - what is it?
Where is Dalaran? where is it going?
The Alliance "fist-bump" moment has come and gone apparently. I must have blinked.
Dalaran is unlikely to be changed in any way, Orgrimmar is unlikely to be changed in any way. Ah well...
Nice interview, but Dave totally misses the point about the Alliance, and it seems Blizzard as a whole either ignores the problem or just misses it, the later being even worse. The Alliance lore in MoP has been downright boring. Yeah, Jade Forest was cool, on par with the horde story, but ever since its all Garrosh Garrosh Garrosh, just like last xpac was all about Thrall Thrall Thrall. Now it seems like the final battle is all about Thrall vs. Garrosh, awesome - no Varian, no Jaina, no other Alliance leaders who have been totally ignored. The issue is that while the Alliance is "winning", its a boring faction, its only moving at the Horde's pace and by the Horde's lore. The Horde lore is what's moving the game at the moment, and the Alliance is just "there".
I'd actually love the Alliance being an inferior, weaker faction if this will bring me better lore, but the whole big happy family concept is uber-boring, especially when only humans play some kind of part, and the rest of the race leaders are nowhere to be seen. Dalaran is useless because its Alliance-only on paper, but in game its still neutral. The ending scene after the Garrosh fight will likely have a cinematic of Horde leaders, most likely Thrall, doing the talking, with Alliance leaders not even there. Varian should have been the one to confront Garrosh given the history of the two (Ulduar patch trailer says hi).
Shame we can't see Dalaran above Orgrimmar, I think as it stands some of the big issues atm with the story from an Alliance PoV is the fact most of the changes that make sense are limited by the game whereas the Horde's is not.
In the end the Alliance want the conflict resolved and their land returned as the conflict comes to it's end. This cannot be shown in game and judging by the devs comments after Cata never will.
Dalaran is now an Alliance city. Yet this cannot be shown in game because it would imbalance the cities. It cannot be shown above Orgrimmar because of the problems it would cause.
Then there's stuff that's just poorly shown in game. Such as 5.3. We're going into a war zone with SI:7 to sow discord among the Orc ranks and to gather data on the shores of Durotar for our invasion fleet. The idea is perfectly sound, right down to working with Vol'jin in the end. But what is shown in game is so poor. A robot cat that collects paper. That's not espionage.
The former being one of the biggies. The Alliance goal this war was to restore some semblance of peace and to recover it's land the Horde had waged war upon. This isn't going to happen. Whereas the Horde's is simply to replace the Warchief to bring in an new era of peace for the Horde, this is incredibly easy to show.
What perhaps frustrates me about this is that Blizzard have already acknowledged this Alliance issue. So if that's the case it would make sense to give the Alliance some short stories or another novel to patch up what cannot be shown in game. But this doesn't seem to be the case at all. Out of the three short stories that involve either the Horde or Alliance, all three have only involved the Horde. We also have no news on whether or not we will be receiving a novel at the of this expansion.
I realize this doesn't resolve the issue of things not being shown in game, but it's damn well better than nothing.
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We got our MoP novel already, it was Tides of War.
You know, the novel where the Alliance city is blown up by a nuke, its leader goes crazy, our High King loses even more troops in a failed attack on Orgrimmar, and we lose a decent amount of important Alliance higher-ups. B-B-But Garrosh is shown to be mean! That makes it allllll better.
Its ok though, we're seiging the Horde's capital city. I love how Kosak just leaves out "With the Rebellion with the sole purpose of dethroning Garrosh. And then after the Alliance leaves and we don't regain any land nor do anything toward the Horde after." Its fine though, its fine! We get the "Conqueror of Orgrimmar" title. THAT TOTALLY MEANS WE WERE IMPORTANT EVERYONE.
lol, nice dodging of the fist pump question, Dave
5.1. We stop Garrosh using the bell
5.2. (Uhm...) Dalaran is purged (What?)
5.3. We see the Horde crumble (I'm sorry, the only thing I saw was being Vol'jin's errand boy fuming his rebellion)
5.4. WE SIEGE ORGRIMMAR !!! ()
Comes to show the differences between what we are experiencing and what Blizzard is believing showing story.
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