China vs. Japan

[Themius]

No, Japan has definitely done more to China than the other way around. Also Japan won't be able to easily intervene in the Koreas unless they successfully amend their constitution. They could maybe have a presence there like in the ME but it will still be escort / medical related under orders to only fire to kill if absolutely unavoidable (instead of the normal fire if fired upon and shoot to kill).



Arrogance? I don't know if thats the right word. I mean their official stance on things like comfort women and Nanjing is that it didn't happen.

Lol... I would just call it arrogance I'm not sure what to say about that other than that, honestly I think it's absolutely ridiculous how they flip flop, one PM apologizes, another PM denies it. There's so much animosity over these years because Japan just doesn't want to get it's act together and do the right thing like Germany.

[Reeve]

The prime minister in the 731 plane is very very... odd to me. I mean did absolutely no one catch that one? It would seem impossible to be that daft.

I imagine in Japan they don't talk about that stuff that much. I've never even heard of 731. Is it a surprise they wouldn't have vetted an airplane's number before doing a photo op? I think that's the Chinese newspaper just looking for things to be pissed about there really.

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Japan just doesn't give a fuck.

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Not a fair comparison, that flag isn't the Japanese flag.

It's a military flag, Scandinavia has been using variations of our own flag in wars. Spreading fears in their neighbors, similar to the rising flag in the far east.

I don't often agree with chinese government but in what capacity are you talking?

The Chinese government is arrogant and they act like a bully in this case. There's no logic behind their thoughts or actions.

I'm not talking about Chinese government as a whole, all I'm saying is that there isn't any logic to complain about Japan's recent investment in their military.

Did Denmark invade and brutally occupy Sweden, committing all sorts of warcrimes within the memory of people who are still alive in Sweden? There's a reason the German flag changed, and I can understand the sentiment of the Chinese against the Rising Sun flag.

Does that mean they have a right to tell Japan not to use it? No. But they have every right to find it offensive and aggressive.

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And they could call thier air force the Luftwaffe again. Oh wait, they already do. And do remember, Japan has been "The Land of the Rising Sun" for centuries, as it's name means "sun's origin". The Rising Sun has been thier Naval Ensign for some time, it's nothing really new (and the flag itself dates back to the Edo era, and as the national flag from the 1870s).

[Jackmoves]

"I'm offended by the Danish flag, they've been using it in their wars against Sweden. I demand that they replace their flag and never uses it again!"

That wouldn't make it right for Swedish government to harass the Denmark, don't you agree?

Bad example, Reeve is spot on. People need to take into consideration that Japan acted like scum during WWII against civilians in other asian nations(China in particular). Unit 731 did some really horrible things to chinese civilians.

China reacting to Japan reviving symbols from this period of time isn't weird at all. This is still just a play for the galleries though.

[Themius]

I imagine in Japan they don't talk about that stuff that much. I've never even heard of 731. Is it a surprise they wouldn't have vetted an airplane's number before doing a photo op? I think that's the Chinese newspaper just looking for things to be pissed about there really.

Unit 731 is the infamous research facility responsibility for some of the worse human experimentation done during that time, including the Nazi's

This is like a Muslim politician posing in a plane that says 9/11 smiling with a box cutter.

[Hooked]

China wants to be the only super power in the region. Japan has said many times they are considering building up their military mostly because north korea kept firing missles over their country. No country would stand for that kind of intimidation if they could do something about it.

[Reeve]

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In my very first post, I recognized that it has been Japan's Naval flag before and since. That doesn't mean that the Chinese don't have a damn good reason to view it as offensive.

[Kellhound]

It was the National flag during a time in a time when Japan was... "interesting" I'll say. As far as Luftwaffe I can't find any " new" mention of them, and I am sure they don't use a swastika below an eagle as their symbol.

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Yes but from the countries from ww2 mostly apologized Japan was terribly slow in it and have taken them back over the years denying then saying "okay it happened" then back to denying to Chinese are being dramatic and the Japanese were the victims. I couldn't imagine Germany taking such an obtuse route as Japan did.

Luftwaffe means "Air Force", they still use it, as well as roundel that is very close to the WW2 roundel.

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Bad example, Reeve is spot on. People need to take into consideration that Japan acted like scum during WWII against civilians in other asian nations(China in particular). Unit 731 did some really horrible things to chinese civilians.

China reacting to Japan reviving symbols from this period of time isn't weird at all. This is still just a play for the galleries though.

Nazis did horrible acts in the WWII, that doesn't stop Germany from investing in their military, right?

Reviving symbols, I hope you're aware that they never changed their symbol.

[Hooked]

Luftwaffe means "Air Force", they still use it, as well as roundel that is very close to the WW2 roundel.

99 red balloons band also.

[Rukentuts]

Yes but from the countries from ww2 mostly apologized Japan was terribly slow in it and have taken them back over the years denying then saying "okay it happened" then back to denying to Chinese are being dramatic and the Japanese were the victims. I couldn't imagine Germany taking such an obtuse route as Japan did.

To be honest I'd never want to be a POW of China or Japan. I'd take Russia first.

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In my very first post, I recognized that it has been Japan's Naval flag before and since. That doesn't mean that the Chinese don't have a damn good reason to view it as offensive.

It's stupid to live in the past, China is without a doubt overreacting in this case.

[Reeve]

Unit 731 is the infamous research facility responsibility for some of the worse human experimentation done during that time, including the Nazi's

This is like a Muslim politician posing in a plane that says 9/11 smiling with a box cutter.

Yeah, I was just reading about it, and it was pretty horrible. I can imagine it just not occurring to anyone though. I doubt anyone vetted the serial number of the fighter jet the Bush landed on his Mission Accomplished aircraft carrier either, and if the Japanese official position is that Unit 731 never happened, it's totally believable that the number never even occurred to anyone on site.

Apparently it's mentioned in textbooks in Japan, but just barely:

Japanese history textbooks usually contain references to Unit 731, but do not go into detail about allegations, in accordance with this principle.[41][42] Saburo Ienaga's New History of Japan included a detailed description, based on officers' testimony. The Ministry for Education attempted to remove this passage from his textbook before it was taught in public schools, on the basis that the testimony was insufficient. The Supreme Court of Japan ruled in 1997 that the testimony was indeed sufficient and that requiring it to be removed was an illegal violation of freedom of speech.

[Rukentuts]

It's stupid to live in the past, China is without a doubt overreacting in this case.

But for all intents and purposes, the Japanese Naval Flag might as well be swinging next to the USA's. Because China knows we're pretty buddy-buddy.

[Kellhound]

In my very first post, I recognized that it has been Japan's Naval flag before and since. That doesn't mean that the Chinese don't have a damn good reason to view it as offensive.

It does have odd effects in other places though. Funniest picture I ever took was of the JMSDF Kongo (thier flagship) flying the Rising Sun while docked at the pier the Doolittle Raid was launched from...

[Themius]

It's stupid to live in the past, China is without a doubt overreacting in this case.

Hmm because you've been part of a group like the Chinese durring ww2 to say so? The Chinese have plenty reason to be insulted by this.

[Reeve]

Nazis did horrible acts in the WWII, that doesn't stop Germany from investing in their military, right?

Reviving symbols, I hope you're aware that they never changed their symbol.

The name of the ship is itself a symbol.

[Rukentuts]

Hmm because you've been part of a group like the Chinese durring ww2 to say so?

You're acting like China has done no wrong here.

[Jackmoves]

Nazis did horrible acts in the WWII, that doesn't stop Germany from investing in their military, right?

Reviving symbols, I hope you're aware that they never changed their symbol.

I havn't said anything about them investing in their military. I'm talking about the symbolism that is described in this written piece. It's something that china got a good reason to react to in peaceful ways... like a written piece or through diplomatic channels.

[Themius]

You're acting like China has done no wrong here.

No, but we're talking about Japanese and Chinese affairs here so I am of course focusing of that.