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    General Nazgrim Preview, Dev Interviews, Aug 27 Raid Testing, Blue Posts, News Recap

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    EU Beta Info This Week, Opt-In Wave This Tuesday, Blue Posts

    Patch 5.4 - General Nazgrim Preview
    General Nazgrim is the eighth boss in the Siege of Orgrimmar raid and the encounter takes place in what is normally Ragefire Chasm. Gamon may appear in this fight.





    Patch 5.4 Developer Interviews
    Vanion released another interview from Gamescom with a few new points. You can find information from previous interviews on our Patch 5.4 Developer Interviews page.


    Vanion
    • The Horde version of the cinematic after Garrosh will show the process of the Warchief selection. The Alliance version will be slightly different.
    • Adding a fourth talent spec is not planned, as it is already very difficult to balance the existing specs.
    • The technology for scaling up old content is mostly in place now, but the devs haven't come up with a good rewards scheme for scaled up old dungeons and raids yet. Today, players can go back and solo old content for transmog gear, but if they were going to go back and do it in an appropriately sized group, they would expect something useful other than transmog gear.
    • Having only one race for both factions allowed the team to focus on making the one new race really great, rather than having to split time between two new races.



    Patch 5.3 Hotfixes: August 26
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Quests
    • Death to the Broodmother: Desperiona should no longer get stuck while approaching the player, allowing the quest to be completed.
    • Last Rites: The quest event should now work properly, allowing players to complete the quest.

    Raid Testing Schedule - August 27
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    On Tuesday, August 27, we will continue testing raid encounters in the Siege of Orgrimmar raid.

    Each encounter should be available at approximately the listed times below for all Public Test Realms.

    Tuesday, August 27
    • Fallen Protectors - 25 Player Heroic - 10:30 PDT (13:30 EDT, 19:30 CEST)
    • Kor'kron Dark Shaman - 25 Player Heroic - 13:30 PDT (16:30 EDT, 22:30 CEST)
    • General Nazgrim - 25 Player Heroic - 16:00 PDT (19:00 EDT, 01:00 CEST)

    As always, this testing schedule is very fluid and subject to the realities of a beta environment. We might have to change the time of a testing session, change the boss being tested, or cancel a test entirely, due to bugs, server hardware issues, etc. Keep an eye on this forum for the latest information, and thank you in advance for testing and providing feedback.

    Blue Tweets
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Future
    Fact that it's in the final phase in Europe as far as trademarking goes says a lot on what it could be.
    As I said in Legendary interview today, just bookmark all of that so we can later see how accurate they turned out. (Source)

    Speaking of outdated content a scenarios, can we get Battle for Undercity as a scenario?
    We get that request a lot. We'd love to do it sometime. Obviously can't whip it together for 5.4. (Source)

    Ever thought about making Scenarios something to do while questing/leveling instead of dungeons?
    Yes. (Source)

    Any chance we'd see a hide enchant button any time soon? Dancing steel looks terrible in my mog!
    We would like to do it, but it requires code, and realistically probably won't make 5.4. (Source)

    Each character should have a bag that includes all the BoA items available; they would appear automatically and not be managed
    I said last Blizzcon that this is a dream of mine. Maybe someday. (Source)

    i just can't say anything in front of the hugeness of 5.4 content. but is your team ok to keep the rythm of 4 raid tier/patch?
    There may come a time when expansions come out so quickly we can't fit as may tiers in. That's more speculation than a plan. (Source)

    Lore
    wrong attitude to have. Like saying last of us shouldn't have story, cause its a game.
    There are studios that believe in story first or world first or maybe social first. Blizzard is gameplay first. (Source)
    you picked the wrong type of game then. Kill X, collect y isn't exactly pushing gameplay to limits.
    And yet I'd argue the game has had a pretty long lifespan and I don't think it's from the story. I think it's fun. (Source)
    BTW you can say its fun. the 2.3 M sub loss the last year CLEARLY disagree.
    We lost folks because of story? Sketpical. Maybe some did. I doubt it was big contributor. The rest of us are still having fun. (Source)

    Do you guys believe blowing up Theramore was a mistake? If not, why the resistance to more oldworld changes in the same style?
    That's a long topic I'm not sure I can cover in Twitter. We have some concerns about how it worked out. We lost a cool place. (Source)

    conquered a city but after the raid it will be a horde city again, Theramore is still a hole in the ground
    If this was a single player or non-persistent game, we'd consider removing one faction's capital permanently. (Source)

    Was stunned that you broke the timeline in Cata and shrugged it off. Lore (& community) should be top, not bottom priority.
    Lore is important. A fun expansion is more important. (Source)

    (I lied) Garrosh was a bit better, but you took him too dark too fast, and didn't temper that with any internal struggle.
    Arthas was conflicted. I'm not sure Garrosh really is. He has strong convictions... that are just quite at odds with others. (Source)
    5.4 intro nails that by the way. I think you'll like it. (Source)
    Garrosh killed Cairne, murdered others.However necessary he felt it was, part of him must be struggling. Where is that part?
    Not sure he struggles with that. He probably struggles with the legacy of his father (pro and con). (Source)

    (last one!) Deathwing had good amount of exposure. Problem was his character was an inch deep. I just didn't care about him.
    DW had depth if you knew the backstory, but not everyone did. If just meeting him, we agree he was too much Rar! Dragon! (Source)

    Example of game mechanics needing to trump in-universe logic. AvH always going to be central theme, says Metzen.
    The story is always going to serve the needs of the game, not the other way around. We understand that doesn't sit well with all. (Source)

    It would be nice to know what we worked towards somthing in MoP, deposed one Horde Warmonger for another not cool.
    H and A competed over the newly rediscovered continent. It ended up coming at a huge cost though. (Source)

    I agree, progressive phasing would help keep the world large and alive. The world shrinks as zones become irrelevant.
    That provides gameplay though. That's a different argument IMO from Alliance get Ashenvale just for a sense of victory. (Source)

    I feel like MoP is disconnected in terms of story. previous raid content each teir built to a common goal. Mop....not so much
    I guess I disagree somewhat. No sure many raiders could answer what their character's motivation was for Karazhan or Ulduar. (Source)
    "Stop Lei Shen. Stop Skek'zeer," may be shallow motivation, but it is motivation. (Source)
    With MoP, we it didn't make sense to say "Stop Garrosh" until he had become bad enough to stop. (Source)

    In fact, at Blizzcon we didn't even mention the final bad guy. We wanted players to discover where the story went. (Source)
    But that confused so many players that we finally just said "Look, Garrosh is the final bad guy." (Source)

    Proving Grounds
    After testing proving grounds I feel it may be hard a bit harder and unfair for some specs that underperform with low ilvl
    It's a reasonable concern. We're not sure of the best way to handle the item scaling. (Source)

    Reputation / Questing
    Totally agree. I fear for the dailies future with that outrage since 5.0.
    We're not so sure. We worry that even a huge pool of dailies can end up feeling repetitive quickly. (Source)

    PTR
    Please, your QA team unfortunately needs a reshuffle because A LOT of stuff STILL comes through.
    It's a ridiculously complicated and changing code base that has to work on 1000s of different hardware configurations. (Source)
    Given that, I stand behind our QA team. They are exceptional. (Source)

    Blue Posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Patch 5.4 Windwalker Changes
    Quick clarification: the datamined changes you're seeing to Windwalker/Brewmaster abilities are simply tooltip fixes. The actual abilities have functioned this way for a while.

    Something something datamining something something grain of salt something something. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    Diablo III - Reaper of Souls Recap
    There is a nice recap of everything we know about Reaper of Souls so far over on DiabloFans!



    Weekly News Recap
    Another very busy week full of news, so here is your chance to catch up!

    • August 19
      • We previewed at the Tier 16 Warlock set.
      • Dev interview recaps:
        • The heirloom weapons on Garrosh are a reason for players to keep coming back and killing him, even when a new expansion is approaching.
        • The developers will watch carefully and make sure that Flex does not feel too mandatory.
        • There might be some changes made to Orgrimmar over time, but there won't be any dramatic changes right away.
        • One of the downsides of the new talent system is that it is challenging to provide something new and rewarding every time someone levels. On the upside, the decision process for returning players is much easier and the choices everyone makes are more meaningful.
        • Permanently damaging the Vale was the right thing to do and addressed the concerns of players that want a more dynamic world. Phasing wasn't practical because of how the zone was initially designed.
        • The devs are happy with how the legendary item system worked out, and Cory wouldn't be surprised to see them continue with the same kind of system. However, this doesn't mean they won't do legendary items the old way ever again.
    • August 20
      • We previewed the Tier 16 Priest set.
      • Dev interview recaps:
        • Making the game feel like you are playing locally by compensating for latency on the client and server end has always been an important part of development.
        • Whenever new features are added, people on older hardware are kept in mind to make sure the game is playable for them still. It is a painful process to maintain that kind of compatibility, but Blizzard doesn't want people to be unable to play the game due to new features.
        • The Guardian Cub was an experiment in allowing people to sell an item purchased with real currency for gold. If it would have been hugely popular, we might have seen more things like it. Playing with an established economy is dangerous though, so the devs are careful not to do anything major.
        • The new items added to the in game store in Patch 5.4 are really only targeted at Asia as time saving conveniences. Blizzard definitely doesn't want to venture into the pay to win territory or change the current business model. It is an experiment, similar to the Guardian Cub.
    • August 21
    • August 22
    • August 23
      • The WoW TCG is coming to an end.
      • The Hearthstone Wiki is giving away a beta key.
      • Dev interview recaps:
        • Mists of Pandaria was the first push to appeal to more casual players and it was very successful. If they had not done so, the game would be in bad shape.
        • The expansion ends on a high note for the Alliance. The full story has not yet been told!
        • Players often ask for new abilities so that they are on par with other classes. For example, Paladins got a Kick like interrupt that they didn't have a few expansions ago, but maybe every class doesn't need an interrupt / disarm / silence.
        • It is important that players feel like their actions matter in raids, not that they are just cogs in a machine. At the same time, you can push this idea too far when a single individual can wipe the raid or the fight requires every person to master an individual check. A good example of this is Heroic Dark Animus or Thaddius. Ideally a raid leader could choose the stronger players in the raid to handle the responsibility of the individual dependent mechanics.
        • If the devs were to use scaling to allow players to run older content at more appropriate item and character levels, it would not impact players who enjoy soloing old content.
    • August 25
      • Dev interview recaps:
        • An item level squish is likely for the next expansion and is already being tested internally.
        • The cosmetic helms that were added to the store sold well, but more cosmetic items may not be added in the future. Items that you purchase from the store should never compete directly with items from raids. Items added in the future will likely be more "fun" items like a Halloween costume or cosmetic themed gear that won't be like anything from a dungeon.
        • Adding the Pandaren was more controversial than expected, but the players who actually played the expansion really liked the expansion and felt it really had a soul.
        • Diablo III is actually the game that had the most impact on WoW, other MMOs don't really make much of a measurable impact.
        • The team size has increased 40% and another 40% increase is planned, which will hopefully allow for a new content patch every month, a new raid tier every three to five months, and an annual expansion.
        • More people are doing arenas on alts thanks to the changes made in Patch 5.3.
        • Arenas had become too bursty recently, so this patch significantly increased Base Resilience. Resilience being on gear rather than having a high base resilience caused new players and alts to have trouble in PvP that came from having no resilience.
        • The tools for tracking win trading have improved significantly over the past few patches and the devs are will continue to improve the tools moving forward.
        • Twitter is a very useful tool for understanding what player concerns are out there. It is also a nice way to let players access the developers.
        • There may be room for a player that is honor capped and wants a higher level of play from a solo queue. This could be something like Heroic Battlegrounds, which would be for players who have the full honor gear set.
        • A lot of players respond to changes in patch notes, but don't actually go on the PTR and test the changes!
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    Gonna save Gamon on week 1 obviously.

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    Alliance complaining about Orgrimmar is starting to get annoying... you're not the only faction.

    And that "The story is always going to serve the needs of the game, not the other way around. We understand that doesn't sit well with all." makes me kinda mad :/

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    Gammon is gonna save us all! <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    Alliance complaining about Orgrimmar is starting to get annoying... you're not the only faction.

    And that "The story is always going to serve the needs of the game, not the other way around. We understand that doesn't sit well with all." makes me kinda mad :/
    If your priority here is a good story, there are far better ones out there than Warcraft. I play it to enjoy a game. I go and read a book or watch a film if I want to be told a story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post

    And that "The story is always going to serve the needs of the game, not the other way around. We understand that doesn't sit well with all." makes me kinda mad :/
    Samesies.

    For me, games are like reading a book except you're doing the events in the book, not reading about them from another's perspective. Honestly, the gameplay has been the same since vanilla, I'm not particularly concerned about mashing the same 4 or 5 buttons in my rotation for 3 hours one night a week, I'm more interested in the characters I've interacting with for nearly a decade. In fact, over a decade cause most of the ones I like to follow have been around since WCIII.

    I actually just read the patch notes here, now, cause I'd rather just read the updates to the story (which has demotivated me from playing*) than actually bother playing.


    *Zandalari and the Isle of Thunder were perfect / great stories and I definitely resubbed to play with dinosaurs.
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    INFRACTED! For uhm... Idk, I'll read the ToS later, I'm sure I'll find something in there I can stretch to cover whatever it is I don't like about you.

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    Sounds like RoS doesn't come out till next year, sad :<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syridian View Post
    If your priority here is a good story, there are far better ones out there than Warcraft. I play it to enjoy a game. I go and read a book or watch a film if I want to be told a story.
    But what if we like this story? Why do we need to settle for, "So Deathwing destroyed the world, the Old Gods are now clearly known to exist by virtually the entire world, the Titans may or may not be returning to erase us all, but look an island appeared out of nowhere with some Pandas with very isolated problems that don't concern anyone not on the island, at all, and the follow up to this branch of the story is going to have nothing to do with anything that took place here."

    INFRACTED! For uhm... Idk, I'll read the ToS later, I'm sure I'll find something in there I can stretch to cover whatever it is I don't like about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syridian View Post
    If your priority here is a good story, there are far better ones out there than Warcraft. I play it to enjoy a game. I go and read a book or watch a film if I want to be told a story.
    It's such a shame that some people are too simple to grasp the concept of a good game with story and gameplay. But I guess if your priority is gameplay, you shouldn't be playing an RPG

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    "The Horde version of the cinematic after Garrosh will show the process of the Warchief selection. The Alliance version will be slightly different". Given the whole horde/alliance issues with this expansion I somehow doubt seperate endings are going to pan out I can almost here the argument now 'OMG horde ending was awesome but the alliance one sucked'. Of course I'll be happy to be proven wrong but I sense a final wave in the Alliance vs Horde content of MoP on the rise here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    Alliance complaining about Orgrimmar is starting to get annoying... you're not the only faction.

    And that "The story is always going to serve the needs of the game, not the other way around. We understand that doesn't sit well with all." makes me kinda mad :/
    If the story was actually portrayed in a meaningful fashion in-game, I wouldn't be mad. But it's not. Think of Theramore. I don't know if you've read Tides of War, but there is so much more to that story than just the bombing of Theramore. Jaina does a lot of cool stuff afterwards, including being at the center of a huge battle off the coast of Durotar. But what do we get in-game? A crappy scenario with events that actually aren't even canon. Standing on it's own, the in-game portrayal of the loss of Theramore is as pointless as it gets. And we have gotten nothing in return for that other than losing one of the few cool places Alliance has had since Frozen Throne.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    It's such a shame that some people are too simple to grasp the concept of a good game with story and gameplay. But I guess if your priority is gameplay, you shouldn't be playing an RPG
    Gameplay isn't defined by any one game, so saying that you can't get good gameplay out of an RPG is a matter of perspective. Some people like to play that kind of game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zannypants View Post
    Sounds like RoS doesn't come out till next year, sad :<
    It specifically says on the webpage "Coming 2014".
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    It's such a shame that some people are too simple to grasp the concept of a good game with story and gameplay. But I guess if your priority is gameplay, you shouldn't be playing an RPG
    What? RPGs can be fun even without a good story. I play to have fun, not to live a story that is not even real, I hav my own life and problems >.>
    'Monogamy'? Is that one of the ways people in Boringland bore each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    If the story was actually portrayed in a meaningful fashion in-game, I wouldn't be mad. But it's not. Think of Theramore. I don't know if you've read Tides of War, but there is so much more to that story than just the bombing of Theramore. Jaina does a lot of cool stuff afterwards, including being at the center of a huge battle off the coast of Durotar. But what do we get in-game? A crappy scenario with events that actually aren't even canon. Standing on it's own, the in-game portrayal of the loss of Theramore is as pointless as it gets. And we have gotten nothing in return for that other than losing one of the few cool places Alliance has had since Frozen Throne.
    But if the story was portrayed in a meaningful way in-game, how would blizzard continue to sell books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isendre View Post
    But if the story was portrayed in a meaningful way in-game, how would blizzard continue to sell books?
    The actual destruction of Theramore and what happens after is only the half of the book. The good thing about books is that they can tell things that are nearly impossible to do in visual media. Making the ingame event make more sense in the grander scheme of things wouldn't have made the book any more or less obsolete whatsoever. I understand there are resource constraints to be concerned about. But for fraks sake, an entire human kingdom was turned into a purple hole in the ground and we absolutely nothing to show for it ingame other than a couple of non-canon events. Events of this magnitude should be given higher priority.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erin View Post
    I only saw a few minutes of it but it looked slicker than a lubed up olympic swimmer fleeing from a shark.

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    Gamon may appear in this fight.
    Lol, awesome.

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    Hey, Jesse Cox from OMFGcata on youtube did an interview too. It had some very good questions. You should include that one too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daws View Post
    "The Horde version of the cinematic after Garrosh will show the process of the Warchief selection. The Alliance version will be slightly different". Given the whole horde/alliance issues with this expansion I somehow doubt seperate endings are going to pan out I can almost here the argument now 'OMG horde ending was awesome but the alliance one sucked'. Of course I'll be happy to be proven wrong but I sense a final wave in the Alliance vs Horde content of MoP on the rise here.
    It may not necessarily be separate endings, just different aspects of the same one. For example, the Alliance ending could have them discussing what reparations the Horde will be making in exchange for the Alliance's withdrawal from Orgrimmar, while the Horde ending is about who the next Warchief is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamelol View Post
    Hey, Jesse Cox from OMFGcata on youtube did an interview too. It had some very good questions. You should include that one too
    There are at least 10 more interviews to get through, don't worry!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrathius View Post
    It may not necessarily be separate endings, just different aspects of the same one.
    Right, I don't think he was saying the story differed, just what parts of it you see.
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