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  1. #521
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenaw View Post
    Why do so many people hate Anduin so much? Honest question. He's actually pretty cool imo.
    Because some day he is going to be paladin....'the' paladin that is going to lead the Army of Light against the forces of Darkness.

    People hate pallies as it is and since he is also not Minbari not born of Minbari there is that too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Faroth View Post
    I've come to the conclusion that the overall plot is pretty awesome for the Alliance, it's just the execution of the build up that makes it seem so lackluster. It honestly was really built up as Alliance shows up to support Vol'jin and his rebels. I don't even think much is necessary to change the tone, just minor tweaks and you get an entirely different feel to how this is all going down. But those little tweaks weren't made (heck, Alliance weren't even able to call Vol'jin on his bluff until players said something) and so a lot of the Alliance player base still feels pretty lackluster in "helping the Horde resolve this after it became bad for the Horde so we can give the Horde their city to continue being the Horde."

    Realistically there should be more reparations forced upon the Horde and a future of Horde/Alliance cooperation under the Horde's new leader leading to relative peace and a unified effort of the two sides against future threats.

    But "rawr, must be WAR in WARcraft! Blah blar, Horde and Alliance must hate each other for sake of pvp" etc etc.
    Exactly so much I think was cut out due to time.

    In interviews dev's admitted that Battle Field Barrens was going to have quest (which should have gotten top priority) where Rexxar Champion of the Horde, where Alliance and Horde players go to Outland find Rexxar convince him to come back. (For Alliance its will be that Rexxar considered what Garrosh did to Theramore a betrayal of what the Horde means and for Horde it will be what he did too Carne and Vol'jin). He then appears in the Barrens with Horde battle standard throws it down and challenges the Garrosh and Kor'gron to battle. You have to protected as long as possible from endless spawning mobs for 15 minutes. The quest would be weekly and anyone can help but can only get the reward once a week. Then during the Siege its Rexxar that defends the entrance to Ragefire when players enter.

  2. #522
    Kael'thas, Cenarius, and DW children aside, your examples are kinda bad. Well of Eternity happened 10,000 years in the past, so Illlidan was more than alive back then, he has not been resurrected after dying in BT. Anub'arak was technically undead to begin with at the start of WotLK, and it's not like it's hard to re-raise him (though I agree they could have found either a better initial use for him like having him in spider wing over that other random spider lord or to have picked a better boss for the end of ToTC). Ragnaros, already in lore that elementals can't be killed unless they're in their home plane, so by finishing him in Firelands he should be "dead dead" now, and thus could have been re-summoned otherwise like DW did to bring him to Kalimdor.
    How can things be bad examples when they are re-used? And yes, everything you mentioned, all of em had "a reason" or "a way" to return to azeroth once more.. But the fact still remains, it's blizzard that comes up with something and bakes it into the lore somehow to resurrect them (which was the answer to trassk's question)

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  3. #523
    Quote Originally Posted by Yakisoba View Post
    Clearly Velen just incinerated Garrosh, hence why I don't think I see him there.
    Garrosh: Damn, I killed the crap out of those guys! Damn I'm good!
    Malkorok: Sire, is there anybody else around here that would require some immidiate murder?
    Garrosh: Glad you mentioned, hanging those guys distracted me for a while. Who else do we have alive?
    Nazgrim: Well, there's Velen.
    Garrosh: ???
    Malkorok: ???
    Nazgrim: The omnipotent priest with godlike powers, who restored the powers of the Sunwell?
    Garrosh: ???
    Nazgrim: The Draenei guy
    Garrosh: Ah, right, that's a great point! Okay, let's get him. My sha axe or whatever I'm using requires some blood
    Nazgrim: Okay, we just gonna have to get back to Kalimdor
    Garrosh: Ehh. Okay. Let's make it a quick trip...
    Nazgrim: Not that easy. We'll have to take a ship from this Night Elve port.
    Garrosh: Does it take long?
    Nazgrim: Fucking forever.
    Garrosh: Forget it. Zeala, ready your dragons! We gonna have ourselves a quick flight!
    Zeala: You can't fly on Azuremyst isle
    Garrosh: ...
    Garrosh: You know guys, let's call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    It's the multiple timeways that Azeroth's time has. Just like the End Time.
    Having thought about it, the quests seem to be like this: Tinker with the Vision, tinker again, it's almost perfect-use it on a 'devastatating timeway', and finally, it's perfect now, use it in Pandaria and CoT.

  5. #525
    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    how many major villains in wow have come back to life? (Arthas, Illidan, Deathwing, Kael'thas, Cho'gall, Gul'dan, Malygos)

    how many heroes have died and not returned? (Cairne, Grom, Lothar, Uther, Doomhammer, Rhonin, Krasus, Aegwynn)

    People bitch and complain about there not being enough death, they don't analysis hard enough to whats actually happened in the lore.
    Most of those deaths you listed come from Warcraft strategic games i.e something which minority of players saw? How can I be so sure of that? Do you see all those ancients being mentioned often by general everyday joe playerbase nowadays? me neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzudzadzo View Post
    Most of those deaths you listed come from Warcraft strategic games i.e something which minority of players saw? How can I be so sure of that? Do you see all those ancients being mentioned often by general everyday joe playerbase nowadays? me neither.
    I'm.. sorry? Are you trying to argue that unless everyone sees the lore character dead it doesn't count as canon?
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  7. #527
    Something I'd like to point out as a consiseeation for everyone - There is a good chance that is the list kf people who will end up deas by the end of this expac. Anduin is still cconsiderd dead, Taran Zhu is also mia after that trailer. There is audio for both Jaina and the blood elf fucker that has them seriously injured/killed. Just something to bring to everyone's attention.

  8. #528
    Quote Originally Posted by Yllandria View Post
    Something I'd like to point out as a consiseeation for everyone - There is a good chance that is the list kf people who will end up deas by the end of this expac. Anduin is still cconsiderd dead, Taran Zhu is also mia after that trailer. There is audio for both Jaina and the blood elf fucker that has them seriously injured/killed. Just something to bring to everyone's attention.
    First, Anduin is alive and well, he spend sometime with Wrathion and now he is moving to the Timeless Isle. Second, we get a vision of all the faction leaders (minus Velen) and Taran Zhu looking over a dead Garrosh. So, the only dead leader at the end will be Garrosh.

  9. #529
    Quote Originally Posted by Combooticus View Post
    The panda population aint that huge also its said the vale will heal in time after the raid but the fat gits will just have to tighten there belts for the time being or move elsewhere

    No big lose
    It's not the Pandaren that worry me, they are better survivors then either humans or orcs. It's in fact those two races which are dying from hunger. It's one of the reasons of Garrosh' agression. There is no food. What you see in game is a pis poor version of the actual Azeroth (for the normal comparison, in game Stormwind houses about 500 civillians, the lore Stormwind houses 100.000). And having the vale corrupted by Yshaar, not really sure that will reverse fast enough, I'd expect that to take way to long. Then again yeah it's Blizz who is easily willing to overlook such basic logic.
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  10. #530
    So Taran Zhu is up there on the spike, but he was killed in the trailer. Plot twist!!!

  11. #531
    Quote Originally Posted by shamantime View Post
    So Taran Zhu is up there on the spike, but he was killed in the trailer. Plot twist!!!
    He didn't die in the trailer. Sadly, Garrosh is painfully inept at killing annoying characters.

    On the plus side, you get to rescue Taran Zhu during the raid.

  12. #532
    whats this blank scroll some people are talking about, is it a new short story on WoW's site or something?

  13. #533
    Quote Originally Posted by TmrAsakura View Post
    whats this blank scroll some people are talking about, is it a new short story on WoW's site or something?
    It's a short story on battlenet that features the Lorewalkers and goblins. It's worth a read if you haven't yet.

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    He's very thorough.
    I've seen what's over the mountain, and you don't have anything to be dancing about.
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    Well fuck if you all want some sources here's some websites. I haven't read them so fuck you if you blame me for bad info.

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    How can they claim that they don't have resources to work on things like Gilneas or adding questlines, etc to 5.3 when they're working on destorying stormwind for a stupid vision??!?

  16. #536
    Quote Originally Posted by zanzan28 View Post
    How can they claim that they don't have resources to work on things like Gilneas or adding questlines, etc to 5.3 when they're working on destorying stormwind for a stupid vision??!?
    According to what they said in the past, it takes a huge time to make a single quest work. Personally I think this is the biggest flaw in whatever they use to build quests in game if even simple quests are so prone to flaws that they need so much work to get them to work right. Then again no idea how much effort that scene took.
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  17. #537
    So the Vision is actually indeed Garrosh's heroic phase, according to the front page.
    Last edited by Tauror; 2013-09-02 at 12:02 AM.

  18. #538
    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    So the Vision is actually indeed Garrosh's heroic phase, according to the open page.
    Fantastic! That should be one hell of a phase!
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  19. #539
    Quote Originally Posted by zanzan28 View Post
    How can they claim that they don't have resources to work on things like Gilneas or adding questlines, etc to 5.3 when they're working on destorying stormwind for a stupid vision??!?
    For one thing, it's only one section of SW, and it's for an end game boss fight. Where as they don't want to spend resources on filling Gilneas because they don't have any compelling gameplay to put there compared to other things they could be making for the next expansion.
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