1. #2161
    The way wrinklers work (as confirmed by math and code-sifting):

    1) Each wrinkler will "drain" your cps by 5%, but the cookies that you would have gained this way are not lost, but "stored" inside wrinkler
    2) When wrinkler is "popped" (regardless of how it's done, you can manually click, you can buy covenant, you can sell grandmas etc. Anything that causes wrinkler to die will count as "popping" it), it will give you all the cookies it has "absorbed" + 10%
    3) All wrinklers count all other wrinklers as their own "absorbtion". What this means is, if you have two wrinklers up, they will be "storing" not just 5% + 5% cookies, but more than that. Math comes around to 10 wrinklers giving you roughly 600% of your cps back when you pop them.
    4) Wrinklers are not directly affected by frenzies. However, both 7x and 666x will increase your cps, and thus indirectly increase the rate at which wrinklers absorb the cookies (and thus, give you more later)
    5) Wrinklers are not in any way affected by (or affect) the clicking power. If you gain 10m per click, you will still gain 10m per click with 10 wrinklers on
    6) It is still debated whether having wrinklers is worth it over having covenant and using only gold cookies, however it is most definetely worth it to use grandmapocalypse and wrinklers if you're AFKing - leave 10 wrinklers overnight, come back in the morning to an obscene amount of cookies

    hope this helps to those asking questions

    Edit: As people above mentioned, the achievements & unlocked upgrades are defo worth it. I'd say keep popping them until you get all the achievements and cookies unlocked (should take you around 350 or so depending on your luck), after which either go "good" mode if you're clicking goldens, or go "evil" mode if you're semi-afking, and leave wrinklers on
    Last edited by Anakonda; 2013-10-29 at 08:09 PM.
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  2. #2162
    ..my cookies.. they have vanished.. I give up.

  3. #2163
    Quote Originally Posted by Anakonda View Post
    The way wrinklers work (as confirmed by math and code-sifting):
    Always nice when you have people doing the math for you

  4. #2164
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Pearl View Post
    Always nice when you have people doing the math for you
    I know!
    (because i wasnt the one who did it. I just found (and checked) the results of others on reddit etc)
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  5. #2165
    224 Wrinklers killed now, still need 2 cookie upgrades D:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakonda View Post
    3) All wrinklers count all other wrinklers as their own "absorbtion". What this means is, if you have two wrinklers up, they will be "storing" not just 5% + 5% cookies, but more than that. Math comes around to 10 wrinklers giving you roughly 600% of your cps back when you pop them.
    That actually sounds unintended.

  6. #2166
    Quote Originally Posted by Black Pearl View Post
    224 Wrinklers killed now, still need 2 cookie upgrades D:

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    That actually sounds unintended.
    it's intended. The code very specifically adds other wrinklers' cookies to the wrinkler that's being calculated, i really can't see how it could have been unintentional. Sec, lemme find a quote

    Short explanation, at this time, a full stock of wrinklers can increase your income by 6x.

    On every game tick, every wrinkler calculates how many cookies it has siphoned off, but at this time every wrinkler gets the cookies siphoned by all wrinklers that are currently alive. Code follows with certain sections omitted where they don't make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

    Game.UpdateWrinklers=function()
    {...
    me.sucked+=(((Game.cookiesPs)*Game.cpsSucked));


    In this code, Game.cookiesPs is your cookie per second income before the wrinklers are factored in (cps in this calculation is effected by clots, and both frenzies) and cpsSucked is the total percentage of your income being withered (5% per attached wrinkler).

    If you have 100 cookies per second income and one wrinkler attached the equation looks like this for each second

    me.sucked += 100 * .05

    The wrinkler gains 5 cookies per second into his bank, the exact amount you're losing. After being popped, he gains 10% extra before giving it back, so if you let him gain a total of 100 cookies (20 seconds) you would come out 10 cookies ahead when he is popped. 10% isn't that big, so why make a big deal about it?

    As I said above, Game.cpsSucked is the total for all wrinklers attached. If you have 10 wrinklers attached (the maximum) Game.cpsSucked is .5, meaning that you're losing 50 cps of normal income, but each of the 10 wrinklers gains 50 cookies every second into their "bank." and gains 10% more when they are killed. The end result is 50% + 10 * (50%) * 1.1 or a total of 600% income. I don't know if this competes with the golden cookie. But this means that something like elder frenzy has gone from 666x to closer 4,000x.
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  7. #2167
    Quote Originally Posted by Anakonda View Post
    it's intended. The code very specifically adds other wrinklers' cookies to the wrinkler that's being calculated, i really can't see how it could have been unintentional. Sec, lemme find a quote
    Is that Orteil explaining?

  8. #2168
    Quote Originally Posted by Anakonda View Post
    The way wrinklers work (as confirmed by math and code-sifting):

    1) Each wrinkler will "drain" your cps by 5%, but the cookies that you would have gained this way are not lost, but "stored" inside wrinkler
    2) When wrinkler is "popped" (regardless of how it's done, you can manually click, you can buy covenant, you can sell grandmas etc. Anything that causes wrinkler to die will count as "popping" it), it will give you all the cookies it has "absorbed" + 10%
    3) All wrinklers count all other wrinklers as their own "absorbtion". What this means is, if you have two wrinklers up, they will be "storing" not just 5% + 5% cookies, but more than that. Math comes around to 10 wrinklers giving you roughly 600% of your cps back when you pop them.
    4) Wrinklers are not directly affected by frenzies. However, both 7x and 666x will increase your cps, and thus indirectly increase the rate at which wrinklers absorb the cookies (and thus, give you more later)
    5) Wrinklers are not in any way affected by (or affect) the clicking power. If you gain 10m per click, you will still gain 10m per click with 10 wrinklers on
    6) It is still debated whether having wrinklers is worth it over having covenant and using only gold cookies, however it is most definetely worth it to use grandmapocalypse and wrinklers if you're AFKing - leave 10 wrinklers overnight, come back in the morning to an obscene amount of cookies

    hope this helps to those asking questions

    Edit: As people above mentioned, the achievements & unlocked upgrades are defo worth it. I'd say keep popping them until you get all the achievements and cookies unlocked (should take you around 350 or so depending on your luck), after which either go "good" mode if you're clicking goldens, or go "evil" mode if you're semi-afking, and leave wrinklers on
    Pretty awesome info thank you!

    But one more thing. Do they have a despawn timer or do they despawn when they reach a "population" limit and have to make room for new spawns? aka leave it all night.


  9. #2169
    Quote Originally Posted by Juvencus View Post
    Pretty awesome info thank you!

    But one more thing. Do they have a despawn timer or do they despawn when they reach a "population" limit and have to make room for new spawns? aka leave it all night.
    As far as i know (both from others and from personal exp), they do not despawn. You can leave them overnight, just make sure you don't close the browser until you have popped them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Pearl View Post
    Is that Orteil explaining?
    No, this comes from reddit.
    Original post
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  10. #2170
    Quote Originally Posted by Anakonda View Post
    No, this comes from reddit.
    Original post
    Aw.. I want him to comment on when the dungeons will be ready. But first those damn Wrinklers need to give me the cookie upgrades, last one was 150 Wrinklers ago :/

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    Did they only add cookies in this patch, or are there more upgrades? I got a BUNCH of new 20% cookies pretty quickly, but then nothing for ages :P Am I just having bad lucky or am I missing something?
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  12. #2172
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    Did they only add cookies in this patch, or are there more upgrades? I got a BUNCH of new 20% cookies pretty quickly, but then nothing for ages :P Am I just having bad lucky or am I missing something?
    Halloween patch?
    There is ~7 halloween cookies you can only unlock by popping Wrinklers. ***
    There are Wrinklers, who give amazing cookie production bonus
    Red cookies have pumpkins on them zomgomgomg
    4 new achievements (1 wrinkler, 50 wrinklers, 200 wrinklers, 7 new cookies unlocked)


    *** You have a chance of getting new cookie when you pop wrinkler (lets call it 5% chance. It's not real, just example). However the way it works is (1) check if it's 95% or 5% => (2) if 5%, roll 1-7 to check which cookie is unlocked => (3) If you already have a cookie that is "unlocked", then nothing happens.
    What this means is, it's easy to unlock first couple of cookies, but the last 3-4 will be much harder. All in all, statistics wise, it should take people roughly 380 or so wrinklers to unlock all upgrades, depending on RNG ofc
    Last edited by Anakonda; 2013-10-29 at 09:02 PM.
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  13. #2173
    And a new shadow achievement. "Just Plain Lucky" -You have 1 chance in 500,000 every second of earning this achievement.-
    If you have you have cookie clicker up 24/7, you have an approximate chance of ~70% gaining the achievement during one week. It's something everyone will eventually get who keep the tabs open. After two weeks, it's an approximate chance of 91% to have obtained it. And after a month (28 days), your chances of having gained the achievement are already at 99.2%

    So unless you're really unlucky... yeah. Just have to wait.

  14. #2174
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    I actually got all 7 new cookies after 170 Wrinklers. :P

  15. #2175
    Quote Originally Posted by Marston View Post
    I actually got all 7 new cookies after 170 Wrinklers. :P
    205 here and im still missing 2 ( i think )
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  16. #2176
    150 popped, and got all 7

  17. #2177
    Ew... just thought about resetting. Having to get those 7 cookie upgrades all over again D: I hate the clot..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anakonda View Post
    Wrinkler explaination
    Oooh so I was silly to buy the elder pledge?! D: I was scared of leaving my game on overnight with the wrinklers eating at my cookie, but I guess I'll go back to the apocalypse even tho things are creepier now.

  19. #2179
    Might be just RNG and my brain making connections but it seems like the longer you let wrinklers feed, the higher their chance to spawn the cookie upgrade is.


  20. #2180
    Quote Originally Posted by Juvencus View Post
    Might be just RNG and my brain making connections but it seems like the longer you let wrinklers feed, the higher their chance to spawn the cookie upgrade is.
    Quote from wiki: http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Wrinkler



    Exploding a Wrinkler, after it has begun to feed on the big cookie, has a 5% chance of unlocking 1 of the 7 Halloween-themed cookie upgrades. However, if the particular upgrade chosen at random is already unlocked, it will not unlock a new one. So on each Wrinkler explosion, the actual chance of unlocking a new cookie type is equal to 0.05 \cdot \left(1-\frac{N}{7}\right), where N is the number of upgrades already unlocked.

    On average, it takes 363 wrinkler explosions to unlock all 7 Halloween cookie upgrades
    .
    But we never know, it might be a hidden function for that ;P
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