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    Oh how I hate to the be party pooper - well not really, so here goes;

    We knew that Taran Zhu was alive, due to 5.4 on the PTR, months before we even saw the trailer.... Nothing new, and nothing to see here.

    So for all the "CALLED IT!" or "DERP PLOT ARMOR!!!" - give it a rest, as you are both wrong - anyone who paid attention on the PTR knew this. The End, thread over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insarius View Post
    I'm guessing Garrosh, now empowered [or not], could defeat Varian, Vol'Jin, Jaina, Taran, Quilboars, Anduin and Cairne, but he simply didn't.

    He could but he's a dumb orc.
    Fun fact, besides the Vol'jin, Anduin and Cairne fight - Garrosh was disarmed in each of the mentioned fights. One must hope for his own sake, that his new Pink-Evil Gorehowl is superglued on to his palm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    or at least about to be caught in an explosion (the Zaeed clause)
    Isn't that pretty close to what happened though? I mean it's not, say, a bomb, but a big point-blank old gold/sha 'explosion' thing doesn't seem like something that'd be great for one's health in the slightest, especially after a gaping stomach wound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Fun fact, besides the Vol'jin, Anduin and Cairne fight - Garrosh was disarmed in each of the mentioned fights. One must hope for his own sake, that his new Pink-Evil Gorehowl is superglued on to his palm.
    Haha, yeah, he does get disarmed a lot...

    He's like this slow, dumb powerhouse who can't fight for shit just punch really hard, in comparison to say Varian, who might be weaker but is much more swift and knows how to hold his sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insarius View Post
    Haha, yeah, he does get disarmed a lot...

    He's like this slow, dumb powerhouse who can't fight for shit just punch really hard, in comparison to say Varian, who might be weaker but is much more swift and knows how to hold his sword.
    Apparently even a quillboar is better at managing it's weapon that the Great and Esteemed Warchief of the ("True) Horde....

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    I recently replayed all of War3/TFT campaigns, i must say that Grom - even with all his stupidity - in the end died a heroes death, by slaying the corruptor of the orcish race.

    Garrosh will die as a slave and servant to the Sha, unable (or unwilling) to fight back his Sha masters - in the end he will probably die a cowards death, like any other tyrant.
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    Ranged dps: rockets, lasers, TNT critters and explosives, shrink rays and sapper mines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    I recently replayed all of War3/TFT campaigns, i must say that Grom - even with all his stupidity - in the end died a heroes death, by slaying the corruptor of the orcish race.

    Garrosh will die as a slave and servant to the Sha, unable (or unwilling) to fight back his Sha masters - in the end he will probably die a cowards death, like any other tyrant.
    Garrosh isn't a slave to the Sha however, nor does he at any point refer to the Old Gods as his masters. Blizzard even confirmed that he has indeed manage to wield the Sha as a weapon, not the other way around, so despite the lunacy, it's still rather impressive. But that's about the only impressive thing he's ever done so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynneiah View Post
    That said, can I just say how stupid Garrosh AND Taran Zhu were in that trailer? Why confront a whole Kor'kron regiment on your own? Why not bring the ENTIRE Shado-Pan? Why not ask the Alliance to show up as well?
    If you look carefully at the establishing shot of the pool, you can see pandaren fighting with the Kor'kron around the pool--my guess is that the Shado-Pan were there. As for the Alliance, canonically they were all up north preparing for the siege proper. There's probably a skeleton crew in the Shrine of Two Moons (or is it Seven Stars? I can never remember which is which), but just like the Horde skeleton crew in Bleeding Sun, I can't imagine they're equipped or numerically able to provide much by way of support while keeping the refugees in the Shrine safe as well.

    And in case of Garrosh, why not ignore him while your Kor'kron guards dogpile him? Why engage him in single combat? Because he insulted your daddy? Dude needs anger management training. (by which I mean an axe to the brains)
    Garrosh's fatal flaw, built up since Wrath of the Lich King, is pride (fitting for a sociopath, honestly). He never considers that Anduin wasn't killed, and he doesn't consider that adventurers find Taran Zhu and get him to the healers in time, because he's too arrogant to believe himself capable of anything but resounding success after Northrend and the reignited war in Cataclysm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    abecause of an act in that families bloodline that gave the name, like an honorary title, one that is either earned by them, or passed onto the next generation.
    Grom earned the title. Garrosh is part of the bloodline, and was simply passed the title. You've answered your own query, Garrosh certainly isn't worthy of it but he does still deserve it based on Orcish way of life and the passing of title through family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Fun fact, besides the Vol'jin, Anduin and Cairne fight - Garrosh was disarmed in each of the mentioned fights. One must hope for his own sake, that his new Pink-Evil Gorehowl is superglued on to his palm.
    A funny fact. And even more so because in the Garrosh fight [Spoilers]

    he actually goes THROWING it. Apparently he has a billion of them stashed in his pants pocket and he just keeps whipping them around the room. So in a way, he still loses his weapon, he just has a billion more lying around somewhere. (Which begs the question why we can't use them against him.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    A funny fact. And even more so because in the Garrosh fight [Spoilers]

    he actually goes THROWING it. Apparently he has a billion of them stashed in his pants pocket and he just keeps whipping them around the room. So in a way, he still loses his weapon, he just has a billion more lying around somewhere. (Which begs the question why we can't use them against him.)
    To be fair, throwing your shit is now a baseline warrior skill via both Heroic Throw and Shattering Throw, so that's actually kind of expected from a character strongly associated with the warrior class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Grom earned the title. Garrosh is part of the bloodline, and was simply passed the title. You've answered your own query, Garrosh certainly isn't worthy of it but he does still deserve it based on Orcish way of life and the passing of title through family.

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    A funny fact. And even more so because in the Garrosh fight [Spoilers]

    he actually goes THROWING it. Apparently he has a billion of them stashed in his pants pocket and he just keeps whipping them around the room. So in a way, he still loses his weapon, he just has a billion more lying around somewhere. (Which begs the question why we can't use them against him.)
    Oh that is just hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    We knew that Taran Zhu was alive, due to 5.4 on the PTR, months before we even saw the trailer.... Nothing new, and nothing to see here.

    So for all the "CALLED IT!" or "DERP PLOT ARMOR!!!" - give it a rest, as you are both wrong - anyone who paid attention on the PTR knew this. The End, thread over.
    While i agree we already knew he'd survive, how come then that Blizzard gets him impaled/hit/slapped in the face every patch? It's the second time he gets seriously wounded. It almost seems like he throws himself to enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleugen View Post
    Grom earned the title. Garrosh is part of the bloodline, and was simply passed the title. You've answered your own query, Garrosh certainly isn't worthy of it but he does still deserve it based on Orcish way of life and the passing of title through family.

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    A funny fact. And even more so because in the Garrosh fight [Spoilers]

    he actually goes THROWING it. Apparently he has a billion of them stashed in his pants pocket and he just keeps whipping them around the room. So in a way, he still loses his weapon, he just has a billion more lying around somewhere. (Which begs the question why we can't use them against him.)
    Maybe he has the new warrior glyph coming in 5.4 http://ptr.wowdb.com/spells/146970-g...ws#17153-17169

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    To be fair, throwing your shit is now a baseline warrior skill via both Heroic Throw and Shattering Throw, so that's actually kind of expected from a character strongly associated with the warrior class.
    True, but until the new glyph comes out, the Warrior's weapon doesn't stay impaled where it lands. If they aren't killed, his weapons will stay there until the end of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    I recently replayed all of War3/TFT campaigns, i must say that Grom - even with all his stupidity - in the end died a heroes death, by slaying the corruptor of the orcish race.

    Garrosh will die as a slave and servant to the Sha, unable (or unwilling) to fight back his Sha masters - in the end he will probably die a cowards death, like any other tyrant.
    Garrosh is not being mind-controlled, that was made clear by the devs. Even when he is infused with the power of Y'shaarj, he is still in control due to his extraordinary will. That's something his father never had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Sooooooo..

    He couldn't kill Varian in wolfheart.
    He couldn't kill vol'jin himself he needed an assassin to attempt it
    He couldn't kill Jaina even with a bomb
    He couldn't kill Taran zhu even with a strike to the gut
    He couldn't kill a bunch of quillboars in mulgore
    And he couldn't kill Cairne, as he fanboys seem to keep pushing how he didn't do it himself it was magatha's poison that did it.
    Plot armor
    Plot armor
    Plot armor
    Plot armor
    What are you talking about?
    He killed cairne. The poison just helped him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Baine's short story. Garrosh went over his head and took a regiment of Kor'kron into quillboar territory, and almost got himself killed when the undead quillboar started making the scene.
    He killed cairne. The poison just helped him.
    According to Vol'jin's short story, Garrosh was losing, and badly. He was bleeding from a dozen wounds while Cairne was barely scratched, as Vol'jin saw from an objective standpoint (the loa showed him the duel as part of his tests to become a shadow hunter, and as such he saw it without context), and was wasting his energy while Cairne played the Azerothian equivalent of rope-a-dope. It wasn't until the poison sapped his strength that Garrosh was able to land the killing blow, as Cairne could no longer defend himself.

    edit: The big thing about the duel was that nobody will ever know, one way or the other, if Garrosh would have come out on top after breaking the runespear, because Cairne was conserving his energy and would have been fighting defensively with a broken weapon, while Garrosh still had a complete (and deadly) weapon but was quickly burning up all his energy, and Blizzard wrote it that way on purpose rather than continually back-and-forth retcon it like Garrosh's mak'gora with Thrall has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    According to Vol'jin's short story, Garrosh was losing, and badly. He was bleeding from a dozen wounds while Cairne was barely scratched, as Vol'jin saw from an objective standpoint (the loa showed him the duel as part of his tests to become a shadow hunter, and as such he saw it without context), and was wasting his energy while Cairne played the Azerothian equivalent of rope-a-dope. It wasn't until the poison sapped his strength that Garrosh was able to land the killing blow, as Cairne could no longer defend himself.
    Cairne had the upper hand no doubt, he got a lot of blows on Garrosh fo' sho, but it wasn't a case of Garrosh was being completely destroyed. Garrosh did destroy Cairnes wep though he fought on with a fragmented piece of it. While he did have the upper hand and was playing Garrosh perfectly, a large part of the start of The Shattering is an internal monologue of how father time was taking a stick to his body, eyesight, reactions and stuff. So in my honest opinion I don't think, as doctorfreeze put it that the poison just "helped", but nor can we know for certain if Cairne could have landed a killing blow on Garrosh before the fatigue of age took its toll.

    tldr: I think using the Cairne fight should not be used as a for or against when discussing how Garriosh is as a warrior/combatant due to the circumstances involved.

    I'm getting emotional again now just thinking of the first time I read The Shattering and Cairne died, I was not prepared ;_;

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    Quote Originally Posted by docterfreeze View Post
    Plot armor
    Plot armor
    Plot armor
    Plot armor
    What are you talking about?
    He killed cairne. The poison just helped him.
    Oh i love these useless plot armor arguments. Let me try.

    Cairne didn't kill Garrosh. Plot Armor. Maybe because the only reason people live or die is to further a plot?

    Anyways if you read up on the fight it is fairly clear he was losing badly till the poison kicked in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    Sooooooo..

    He couldn't kill Varian in wolfheart.
    He couldn't kill vol'jin himself he needed an assassin to attempt it
    He couldn't kill Jaina even with a bomb
    He couldn't kill Taran zhu even with a strike to the gut
    He couldn't kill a bunch of quillboars in mulgore
    And he couldn't kill Cairne, as he fanboys seem to keep pushing how he didn't do it himself it was magatha's poison that did it.
    Garrosh couldn't kill them because.....

    ..... Garrosh is actually just a very nice guy, just incredibly misunderstood.

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