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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    Its in your sig? Fanboy alert. Your opinion no longer matters
    I'm getting realy sick of ppl putting other ppl down in this thread. Ppl have a different opinion than you. Build a bridge and get over it.

    Most of what Teriz says makes sense. Others posted opinions to the contrary so he came up with circumstantial evidence to support his view. Nothing wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by But I Hate You All View Post
    You mean Zui Quan? has little to do monks in wow drinking beer and tossing kegs
    So you're saying that a style of martial arts based on elusive, drunken movement has little to do with WoWs Monk class doing a martial art that performs elusive, drunken movements?

    Further more no one could predict dks or monks before they were announced
    I did.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ea-Runemasters!

    I even predicted melee healing.

    sure if you ignore all fact, claim your opinion is fact than cherry pick and ignore any counter argument
    The fact is that by WotLK we had 3 cloth, 2 plate, 2 leather, and 2 mail. DKs got plate, and Monks got leather.

    Now what do you think the last armor slot will be?

    Also classes can logically fit into the game that can wear agi/int mail armor?

    Again, its not that hard.
    Last edited by Teriz; 2013-09-03 at 11:21 AM.

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    There has been NOTHING from Blizzard in any way or form to suggest a tinker class. When it was brought up recently it was acknowledged, but kind of dismissed for the moment.

    The tinker is a steampunk dream for a vocal few, I personally don't believe it will ever find it's way into WoW. It's just way too niche-y, it screams goblin. And frankly even for WoW it's a bit too steampunky, at least for my taste. I certainly do not want a player next to me in a future raid having steam and metal clanging sound effects going on, that annoyed all of us enough in Gnomeregan.

    Then again the monk is a class that screams Pandaren, so meh.

    There are two reasons you won't see it anytime soon imo: one, there won't be a new class in the coming expansion, i'm darn sure of it. And two, when they introduce another class it will be something that appeals to more people. Both DK and Monk are concepts that immediately connect with people and pose a viable argument for buying the expac. The Tinker...not so much. Think more along the lines of the often speculated and "creamed-my-pants-thinking-about-this" topic of teenage threads: The Demon Hunter.

    Most people on these forums just keep harping on about the Tinker because he's one of the few class concepts left from the original Warcraft games that hasn't been exploited as a class in WoW yet, and since Monk was last they jump to this. I still think it's very very unlikely. And I personally wouldn't want that class either.

  4. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginantonicus View Post
    I'm getting realy sick of ppl putting other ppl down in this thread. Ppl have a different opinion than you. Build a bridge and get over it.
    Most of what Teriz says makes sense. Others posted opinions to the contrary so he came up with circumstantial evidence to support his view. Nothing wrong with that.
    I have no idea how Teriz can be arsed to even read what the numerous trolls are posting, let alone reply to them.

    Even worse is that there are so many insults and demeaning attitudes towards other posters - just liking the idea of a Tinker or Alchemist class immediately results in an unbelievably high amount of taunts and various vulgarities...

    You can like the ideas or dislike the ideas or even just not care about the ideas - but why are there so many trolls that are constantly posting more and more senseless replies that contain nothing but demeaning words...
    Tinker + Alchemist in a single class:
    Tank spec: robotics, steampunk hammers/chainsaws, grappling hooks and heavy machinery.
    Melee dps spec: doping yourself with chems and tossing vicious acids on the enemies.
    Ranged dps: rockets, lasers, TNT critters and explosives, shrink rays and sapper mines.
    Healing spec: chemical sprays, needles, exploding flasks and other chemical type abilities to heal.

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    Have you read these forums? The majority can't get a point across for the life of them, it's like condensed trade chat at times.

    I think it's fun talking about the Tinker class, definitely don't see it happening though and I personally don't want it either.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    I have no idea how Teriz can be arsed to even read what the numerous trolls are posting, let alone reply to them.

    Even worse is that there are so many insults and demeaning attitudes towards other posters - just liking the idea of a Tinker or Alchemist class immediately results in an unbelievably high amount of taunts and various vulgarities...

    You can like the ideas or dislike the ideas or even just not care about the ideas - but why are there so many trolls that are constantly posting more and more senseless replies that contain nothing but demeaning words...
    Because you tinkerbells never shut up. And the forums as a whole are annoyed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simulatio View Post
    A handful of people nut-busting about it on various forums does not equal popularity, and popularity does not equal good design.

  7. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    I have no idea how Teriz can be arsed to even read what the numerous trolls are posting, let alone reply to them.

    Even worse is that there are so many insults and demeaning attitudes towards other posters - just liking the idea of a Tinker or Alchemist class immediately results in an unbelievably high amount of taunts and various vulgarities...

    You can like the ideas or dislike the ideas or even just not care about the ideas - but why are there so many trolls that are constantly posting more and more senseless replies that contain nothing but demeaning words...
    When one side of a debate starts resorting to name-calling, it means they've run out of meaningful things to say. This being the internet, though, they can't just say "you like Tinkers, I don't, let's see what the future holds." No, someone here has to be wrong.

    As for me, I have absolutely no problem being labeled a "Tinker Fanboy." If all that means is that I like the idea of playable tinkers and support their inclusion, I'm guilty as charged. Same goes for "tinkerbell" and whatever other names certain people seem to think are clever.

  8. #208
    I have to admit the Tinkerbell reference is funny, only because my daughter is obsessed with that character.

    Regardless, I have no problems with class discussions and fan based proposals. I would have fun with a Tinker. That really isn't the issue. The issue is Teriz, not only his blatant bias, disregard for anything other than his own agenda, and conflicted "logic" that in one sentence dooms all other potential classes and then in the next is the new main reason why his ideas are going to happen.

    For example, he states that Blizzard will only ever allow 12 classes in the game. Ok, just how does he know that? If Blizzard could ensure a 2 million sub surge (and associated profits) from the addition of a 13th (or more) class, don't you think they would do it in a heartbeat?

    See that is the problem, Teriz went beyond advocating for his preferred class, by simply ignoring any counter points. Then he went way off the range as he then bashed any other possible class proposal.

    It would have been much easier if fans of other classes or proposals popped into a Tinker thread and Teriz simply said "Hey those are some interesting ideas, not my cup of tea and in my opinion I personally don't think it's likely but hey the more the merrier!" then this whole thing would have been managed. Instead he flew into a slobbering rage (and has done so repeatedly) acting as if you shout it loud enough, it somehow makes it true.

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by kensim View Post
    I have to admit the Tinkerbell reference is funny, only because my daughter is obsessed with that character.

    Regardless, I have no problems with class discussions and fan based proposals. I would have fun with a Tinker. That really isn't the issue. The issue is Teriz, not only his blatant bias, disregard for anything other than his own agenda, and conflicted "logic" that in one sentence dooms all other potential classes and then in the next is the new main reason why his ideas are going to happen.

    For example, he states that Blizzard will only ever allow 12 classes in the game. Ok, just how does he know that? If Blizzard could ensure a 2 million sub surge (and associated profits) from the addition of a 13th (or more) class, don't you think they would do it in a heartbeat?

    See that is the problem, Teriz went beyond advocating for his preferred class, by simply ignoring any counter points. Then he went way off the range as he then bashed any other possible class proposal.

    It would have been much easier if fans of other classes or proposals popped into a Tinker thread and Teriz simply said "Hey those are some interesting ideas, not my cup of tea and in my opinion I personally don't think it's likely but hey the more the merrier!" then this whole thing would have been managed. Instead he flew into a slobbering rage (and has done so repeatedly) acting as if you shout it loud enough, it somehow makes it true.
    Yeah pretty much. So if you fairys could stop making threads about it, thatd be cool.

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    A handful of people nut-busting about it on various forums does not equal popularity, and popularity does not equal good design.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    Yeah pretty much. So if you fairys could stop making threads about it, thatd be cool.
    1) You don't speak for the forums.

    2) I'd rather talk about something I like than something I don't. This is why I try to keep my presence in the Alliance cryfests and discussions about the new raid to a minimum. And I will post where I please, thank you very much.

    3) Does your mother know you post on a video game forum during school time?

    and

    4) The OP of this thread isn't even a tinker supporter.

  11. #211
    I've heard a decent amount on the Tinker class through this website, and not much elsewhere. It seems interesting, but imo I'd love to see a Bard class. I posted a Question on for WoWInsider's Queue blog in regards to seeing them in the future. I'll copy/paste it here for your enjoyment. It's about half a skeleton's worth of class development. I am no developer, however

    Seeing as there are only two mail classes in Hunters and Shaman, what are the chances at seeing a third mail class in the future? My brother and I have been wishing for years that Blizzard would implement a Bard class a la EverQuest, which in our opinion is one of the most unique MMO classes to date.

    We've been teased throughout the years with them, from low level green items (Bard's tunic of x), to NPCs (boss in Stratholme, a ghost iirc), to the April Fool's event back in either Vanilla or BC, which mocked the class by claiming they'd be played in a keyboard, Guitar Hero style. That said, I believe Blizzard denied the intention of ever implementing them, though the same *was* said about Monks.

    I could see them in leather armor, but I really dig the idea of them in mail. It would not only give hunters and enhance shammy competition for gear, but also (with a healing spec) resto sham competition as well. Until now, Resto/Ele sham are the only one benefitting from +int mail. One spec could be a ranged spec to challenge hunters for weapons, one melee spec, and one heal spec?

    Maybe [they could use] bows, make crossbows Bard only and keep Guns hunter only. Though i would like to see the use of songs in their playstyle, like maybe Song of the Focused, which would grant a hit/exp buff (eliminating some cap needs, even if it were 1%) and Chords of Wisdom, which would grant a Spirit buff, harkening back to the old Blessing of Wisdom Mp5 buff.

    HOWEVER:
    Their role in combat is a snag for sure. EQ was very auto-attack centered for melee, and bards would do that, but twist their songs to keep buffs, dots, de buffs up. Songs were continuous. The buffs or debuffs would remain until a few ticks after the song was stopped. The whole idea was to hit the button, get the cast off, and immediately stop the song and cast a new one. It worked in rotation, and if done right, you could get up to about 7 different song buffs/debuffs/dots without losing anything. Pretty fun and engaging but would need to be tweaked for WoW

  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    1) You don't speak for the forums.

    2) I'd rather talk about something I like than something I don't. This is why I try to keep my presence in the Alliance cryfests and discussions about the new raid to a minimum. And I will post where I please, thank you very much.

    3) Does your mother know you post on a video game forum during school time?

    and

    4) The OP of this thread isn't even a tinker supporter.
    But the tinkerbells seem to speak for blizzard? Weird.

    I dont know how you guys arent getting infracted for spam tbh.

    Lol. Almost fell off my dinosaur.

    That goes to everyone. Not just op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Errand Wolfe View Post
    I've heard a decent amount on the Tinker class through this website, and not much elsewhere. It seems interesting, but imo I'd love to see a Bard class. I posted a Question on for WoWInsider's Queue blog in regards to seeing them in the future. I'll copy/paste it here for your enjoyment. It's about half a skeleton's worth of class development. I am no developer, however
    Your ideas better than the tinker idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simulatio View Post
    A handful of people nut-busting about it on various forums does not equal popularity, and popularity does not equal good design.

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Drilnos View Post
    When one side of a debate starts resorting to name-calling, it means they've run out of meaningful things to say. This being the internet, though, they can't just say "you like Tinkers, I don't, let's see what the future holds." No, someone here has to be wrong.

    As for me, I have absolutely no problem being labeled a "Tinker Fanboy." If all that means is that I like the idea of playable tinkers and support their inclusion, I'm guilty as charged. Same goes for "tinkerbell" and whatever other names certain people seem to think are clever.
    When the insults start flying and the trolling begins, teriz wins. I don't think a lot of posters here realize that.

    Part of the reason tinkerers beat out demon hunters in that poll was because of the crazy amount of trolling in that thread.

    I wish people who opposed tinkerers would attack the idea instead of the posters.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhamses View Post
    When the insults start flying and the trolling begins, teriz wins. I don't think a lot of posters here realize that.

    Part of the reason tinkerers beat out demon hunters in that poll was because of the crazy amount of trolling in that thread.

    I wish people who opposed tinkerers would attack the idea instead of the posters.
    I attacked the idea of Tinkers because I don't feel they're appropriate or in keeping with the game and how other player classes operate. The retort was just to attack Demon Hunters, and tell me how Demon Hunters are Warlocks and therefore that makes a contrived explanation of how Tinker mechanics and item interaction could be different to everyone elses just because valid, and therefore they're the next and only further class to be implemented.

    Then they kinda went on from a concept of ranged weapon user with sentry gun pets/guardians on to playing Mechwarrior or something.

    Got bored.

  15. #215
    So glad Sukhoi finally got banned, he was a taint on the forums for far too long.

    All players are free to like or dislike or not care about tinkers - there is absolutely zero reason to call anyone rude names just because their opinion is different.

    Tinkers have been present in WoW since vanilla, the leader of the Gnomes is a Tinker - he is not a "warrior with the engineering profession", he is an actual Tinker that (unfortunately) is lacking the awesome capabilities of Warcraft 3's Tinker.

    Here is the link to wowpedia, check the character class: http://wowpedia.org/Gelbin_Mekkatorque
    And here is the link to the whacky tinkers of warcraft 3: http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...intinker.shtml

    So, Tinkers DO exist in wow as a non-playable Class - same as illidan is classified as a Demon Hunter (and as a sorcerer and a rogue), which yet another non-playable class in WoW.

    My only real arguments that Tinker would take priority over Demon Hunter are that the DH are pretty much "half way" in WoW through various classes, and that a technology class (like tinker or alchemist, "non-magic classes") are 100% unrepresented and unused material.

    However since BLizzard does what BLizzard pleases, all those arguments are "pissin in the wind" - since BLizz seems to have no new classes planned (or developed) at this moment.
    Last edited by Aleksej89; 2013-09-03 at 04:42 PM.
    Tinker + Alchemist in a single class:
    Tank spec: robotics, steampunk hammers/chainsaws, grappling hooks and heavy machinery.
    Melee dps spec: doping yourself with chems and tossing vicious acids on the enemies.
    Ranged dps: rockets, lasers, TNT critters and explosives, shrink rays and sapper mines.
    Healing spec: chemical sprays, needles, exploding flasks and other chemical type abilities to heal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So you're saying that a style of martial arts based on elusive, drunken movement has little to do with WoWs Monk class doing a martial art that performs elusive, drunken movements?
    drunken movement does not equal wow's monk. The wow's monks moves have to do with drinking, kegs. You really can not say brew-master is based of martial arts


    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I did.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ea-Runemasters!

    I even predicted melee healing.

    thread made in 2011 World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King came out in 2008. saying you Predicted monks because you Predicted melee healing would be like saying I predicted the next wow x pac theme because I said wow will make a new xpac.



    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    The fact is that by WotLK we had 3 cloth, 2 plate, 2 leather, and 2 mail. DKs got plate, and Monks got leather.

    Now what do you think the last armor slot will be?

    Also classes can logically fit into the game that can wear agi/int mail armor?

    Again, its not that hard.


    once again they added a extra plate wearer in wotlk does not mean they are going add another Mail wearer. It would make make more senses to make a class use int plate the least used gear in the game. Again, its not that hard to look past your own bias

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    I have no idea how Teriz can be arsed to even read what the numerous trolls are posting, let alone reply to them.

    Even worse is that there are so many insults and demeaning attitudes towards other posters - just liking the idea of a Tinker or Alchemist class immediately results in an unbelievably high amount of taunts and various vulgarities...

    You can like the ideas or dislike the ideas or even just not care about the ideas - but why are there so many trolls that are constantly posting more and more senseless replies that contain nothing but demeaning words...
    The only troll I see is him. Ignoring anyone else's opinion or counter argument. Most of us are tried of him attacking any idea that does not fit in his image

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    So glad Sukhoi finally got banned, he was a taint on the forums for far too long.
    Same could be said about the Tinkerbells but he will be back

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    All players are free to like or dislike or not care about tinkers - there is absolutely zero reason to call anyone rude names just because their opinion is different.

    Tinkers have been present in WoW since vanilla, the leader of the Gnomes is a Tinker - he is not a "warrior with the engineering profession", he is an actual Tinker that (unfortunately) is lacking the awesome capabilities of Warcraft 3's Tinker.

    Here is the link to wowpedia, check the character class: http://wowpedia.org/Gelbin_Mekkatorque
    And here is the link to the whacky tinkers of warcraft 3: http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutr...intinker.shtml

    So, Tinkers DO exist in wow as a non-playable Class - same as illidan is classified as a Demon Hunter (and as a sorcerer and a rogue), which yet another non-playable class in WoW.

    My only real arguments that Tinker would take priority over Demon Hunter are that the DH are pretty much "half way" in WoW through various classes, and that a technology class (like tinker or alchemist, "non-magic classes") are 100% unrepresented and unused material.

    However since BLizzard does what BLizzard pleases, all those arguments are "pissin in the wind" - since BLizz seems to have no new classes planned (or developed) at this moment.

    Nothing points to Tinker coming in game as a playable class

  17. #217
    I'd find a Spellbreaker / Battlemage to be more appealing than a Tinkerer in all seriousness. With the interdiction of Dalaran and Blood Elf forces in Pandaria, would not be suprised if they become a heroic class playable starting in Pandaria at 80.

  18. #218
    End of the day there is more than one discussion going on here and other like threads.

    1.) Tinker Class Discussion
    2.) Teriz for some reason calling out others on their opinions and ideas while spouting self proclaimed facts
    3.) Comments calling Teriz out for his gibbering ways (that the discussion I participate in) but for the most part are agnostic or even in support of the whole Tinkerer idea. (me)

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    Quote Originally Posted by But I Hate You All View Post
    drunken movement does not equal wow's monk. The wow's monks moves have to do with drinking, kegs. You really can not say brew-master is based of martial arts

    Yeah, in other words, drunkedness. In beta, the Brewmasters abilities were called Drunken Haze, and the Mastery was called Drunken Brawler.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...of-Brewmasters


    thread made in 2011 World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King came out in 2008. saying you Predicted monks because you Predicted melee healing would be like saying I predicted the next wow x pac theme because I said wow will make a new xpac
    I also predicted a Melee, leather wearing Monk class.


    once again they added a extra plate wearer in wotlk does not mean they are going add another Mail wearer. It would make make more senses to make a class use int plate the least used gear in the game. Again, its not that hard to look past your own bias
    It actually wouldn't make sense at all to have 4 plate classes and only 2 mail classes. Additionally, what conceptual WoW class could even wear all INT plate armor?

    Again, you can fix the INT plate issue simply by changing the stats. The only way you get 3 mail-wearing classes is to add a new mail-wearing class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elestia View Post
    I'd find a Spellbreaker / Battlemage to be more appealing than a Tinkerer in all seriousness. With the interdiction of Dalaran and Blood Elf forces in Pandaria, would not be suprised if they become a heroic class playable starting in Pandaria at 80.
    Spell breakers aren't happening. Blizzard removed all mana damaging abilities from player classes. Also Mages got the Spell Breaker ability Spell Steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, in other words, drunkedness. In beta, the Brewmasters abilities were called Drunken Haze, and the Mastery was called Drunken Brawler.

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...of-Brewmasters
    and that is based off real life marshal arts how?



    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I also predicted a Melee, leather wearing Monk class.

    Like you predicted dks 3 years after they were added in the game


    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    It actually wouldn't make sense at all to have 4 plate classes and only 2 mail classes. Additionally, what conceptual WoW class could even wear all INT plate armor?
    What class could? any Class blizzard wants too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Again, you can fix the INT plate issue simply by changing the stats. The only way you get 3 mail-wearing classes is to add a new mail-wearing class.
    Again we don;t need a new mail wearer

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Spell breakers aren't happening. Blizzard removed all mana damaging abilities from player classes. Also Mages got the Spell Breaker ability Spell Steal.
    Maybe they removed all mana damaging abilities from player classes, so they could add Spell Breaker. Mages having spell steal means nothing both locks and dks had death coil.

    Tinkers are not happening because Blizzard already said it was too silly for wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by kensim View Post
    End of the day there is more than one discussion going on here and other like threads.

    1.) Tinker Class Discussion
    2.) Teriz for some reason calling out others on their opinions and ideas while spouting self proclaimed facts
    3.) Comments calling Teriz out for his gibbering ways (that the discussion I participate in) but for the most part are agnostic or even in support of the whole Tinkerer idea. (me)
    You must have really hit a nerve with him because he dodges all your post and trys to cherry pick mine

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