Thread: Tinker Class

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Please show the part where GC mentioned "depends on treatment" in the Bard tweet. The "too soft" argument makes sense, because it would be weird seeing a class singing in WoW during a Raid.
    Look at FFXIV, they have a Bard job and it's not too soft like you would call it.
    Rift also has bard, and Rift is a darker game than WoW is, so if a bard is "too soft" for WoW how come it fits perfectly in 2 games that aren't as childish as WoW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Neither did the Rogue, Hunter, Warrior, Warlock, or Priest characters from which those classes were based on.
    Yeah but all of the heros that went into those classes did.

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    A handful of people nut-busting about it on various forums does not equal popularity, and popularity does not equal good design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    The point is that despite Illidan becoming half demon, he's still a Demon Hunter.

    Did you really lose track of the conversation that quickly?
    kinda hard to keep track with you going half cocked all the time. I do not recall seeing him hunt demons after becoming a demon infact he was working for the legion at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Neither did the Rogue, Hunter, Warrior, Warlock, or Priest characters from which those classes were based on.
    nice dodge. Show me the source where Dota 2, Atlantica online or Moby Frankes says they were inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero. Let me guess you probably think Crono trigger was inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamzz View Post
    Look at FFXIV, they have a Bard job and it's not too soft like you would call it.
    Rift also has bard, and Rift is a darker game than WoW is, so if a bard is "too soft" for WoW how come it fits perfectly in 2 games that aren't as childish as WoW?
    You should ask GC that question.

    His twitter is easy to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by But I Hate You All View Post
    nice dodge. Show me the source where Dota 2, Atlantica online or Moby Frankes says they were inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero. Let me guess you probably think Crono trigger was inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero.
    You never saw the Tinker of DOTA1?



    Remember the Tinker from WC3?

    Yeeeeah.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by But I Hate You All View Post
    Show me the source where Dota 2, Atlantica online or Moby Frankes says they were inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero. Let me guess you probably think Crono trigger was inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero.
    You need proof for the tinker hero in Dota 2 ? Dota 2 is a copy of Dota which is a custom map for WC3.
    If that isn't proof enough then I dunno what you are asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    Yeah but all of the heros that went into those classes did.
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    also we did have Priest http://classic.battle.net/war3/human/units/priest.shtml warriors http://classic.battle.net/war3/human...tainking.shtml
    locks http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/pitlord.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    You never saw the Tinker of DOTA1?


    Remember the Tinker from WC3?



    Yeeeeah.....
    Why in the fuck do you keep spamming these images ? its annoying.

    As I said before Show me the source where Dota 2, Atlantica online or Moby Frankes says they were inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero. Let me guess you probably think Crono trigger was inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero.

    that image is fan art http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398770
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    I enjoyed killing Tinkers in DotA with my anti-mage (DH inspired).

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamzz View Post
    You need proof for the tinker hero in Dota 2 ? Dota 2 is a copy of Dota which is a custom map for WC3.
    If that isn't proof enough then I dunno what you are asking for.
    Did I just list Dota 2? or did I list two other games as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, we don't play as the original Death Knights. We play DKs from WC3 lore.
    Who are simply champions of the Scourge, not ex-paladins. This is why the class is open up to all races (barring Pandaren). If our player characters were really based on Warcraft 3, then yes, they would all be ex-paladins who followed Arthas up into Northrend. That's what all of those champions represented. The player characters we have are technically trained under those paladins, creating a new generation that is separate. Not all of them were followers of the Holy Light, or else we wouldn't be allowed to have races like Orcs, Night Elves and Gnomes being Death Knights.

    The same works for a Demon Hunter playable class. The most logical thing to be is a new generation of Demon Hunters trained by the first generation of Demon Hunters trained by Illidan. Illidan himself may return if he gets a redemption story, but I think his story must be told first before the class gets introduced, otherwise he doesn't need to have anything to do with the player class. It's like Arthas having nothing to do with the training of your player Death Knight. So would your Demon Hunter have the same demonic abilities as Illidan? No. Would they strive to be like Illidan? Not necessarily. That's the path that Warlocks are taking, and that's fine, because Illidan is a demon. Right now we have no one to champion the Demon Hunter class, so it's difficult to associate the class as anything other than Illidan's club of fanboys. Death Knights already have their identity, you're part of Darion Mograine's Knights of the Ebon Hand. It's clear that you have nothing to do with Arthas or the Scourge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by But I Hate You All View Post
    Did I just list Dota 2? or did I list two other games as well?
    Just FYI, Moby Frankes is a concept designer for DOTA2, and that image is a concept design for the DOTA2 Tinker. So yes, he was inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    The same works for a Demon Hunter playable class. The most logical thing to be is a new generation of Demon Hunters trained by the first generation of Demon Hunters trained by Illidan. Illidan himself may return if he gets a redemption story, but I think his story must be told first before the class gets introduced, otherwise he doesn't need to have anything to do with the player class. It's like Arthas having nothing to do with the training of your player Death Knight. So would your Demon Hunter have the same demonic abilities as Illidan? No. Would they strive to be like Illidan? Not necessarily. That's the path that Warlocks are taking, and that's fine, because Illidan is a demon. Right now we have no one to champion the Demon Hunter class, so it's difficult to associate the class as anything other than Illidan's club of fanboys. Death Knights already have their identity, you're part of Darion Mograine's Knights of the Ebon Hand. It's clear that you have nothing to do with Arthas or the Scourge.
    You mean re-introduced, since we already had a Demon Hunter expansion via TBC, and we kind of killed most of them in the process.

    Immediately following that, Warlocks started getting Demon Hunter abilities.

    A "redemption" story for DHs sounds kind of silly. It makes since for DKs because they're fallen champions. Demon Hunters actively choose to embrace the darkness of demonic magic (just like Warlocks).
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  13. #1233
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Just FYI, Moby Frankes is a concept designer for DOTA2, and that image is a concept design for the DOTA2 Tinker. So yes, he was inspired by the WC3 Tinker hero.

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    You mean re-introduced, since we already had a Demon Hunter expansion via TBC, and we kind of killed most of them in the process.

    Immediately following that, Warlocks started getting Demon Hunter abilities.
    We killed 5. Out of who knows how many demon hunters are out there. Yeah..

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    A handful of people nut-busting about it on various forums does not equal popularity, and popularity does not equal good design.

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    Most if not all of the original death knights were killed, but they were brought back under a different design. Why can't Demon Hunters undergo the same treatment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perpetuus View Post
    Most if not all of the original death knights were killed, but they were brought back under a different design. Why can't Demon Hunters undergo the same treatment?
    Teriz wouldnt like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perpetuus View Post
    Most if not all of the original death knights were killed, but they were brought back under a different design. Why can't Demon Hunters undergo the same treatment?
    Because they aren't undead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sukhoi View Post
    We killed 5. Out of who knows how many demon hunters are out there. Yeah..
    We killed numerous Demon Hunter intiates as well.

    http://www.wowhead.com/npc=21180/demon-hunter-initiate#abilities

    So we killed the masters, and the students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Because they aren't undead.

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    We killed numerous Demon Hunter intiates as well.

    http://www.wowhead.com/npc=21180/dem...iate#abilities

    So we killed the masters, and the students.
    The original is a demon so hes probably still alive. Altrius is still around. And theres an group of them called the dark embrace. gtfo

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  18. #1238
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Illidan= Demon Hunters. You can't have one without the other.
    Yes, you can. Altruis remained true (or, returned) to original goals of Demon Hunters, which pretty much made him an opponent of Illidan. Worked for him, why it wouldn't work for player class?

    Considering that Demon Hunters could transform themselves into demons and use demonic powers, I'm not seeing the issue here.
    Transforming temporarily into a demon to fight demons = using your enemy's power to fight him. Becoming a demon = becoming your enemy. The difference is absolutely huge lorewise.

    Warlocks didn't have a single bit of lore from Demon Hunters. Mechanics are shared, so I won't deny the problem doesn't exist, but it is rather easy to solve, if there would be need for it.

  19. #1239
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    1. Where's Exploding Sheep in the Tinker ability list?
    As the Tinker Hero unit from WC3 had only 4 abilities, should Tinkers become a playable class this argument will be applicable to probably 98% of their abilities. Don't use it, it works against you.
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    Altruis the Sufferer about Illidan:

    "I still have respect for Illidan. Without him I would not have found my path.

    He is not who he once was, however. His soul has been corrupted by power, his mind has been twisted by defeat. He has become what I am sworn to destroy and his pet servants, the Illidari, are as much of an abomination as any demon of the Burning Legion."

    About demons:

    "Some demons pledge allegiance to no one but themselves. A true enemy of demons finds and destroys his prey regardless of affiliation, however."

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