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  1. #341
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    You have a new Warchief. Whether or not it is an old character is irrelevant. Somebody new will be where Garrosh was. There's a gameplay change for you.
    Also, I play with a Human Hunter and a Tushui Pandaren Monk, I have no Warchief.

    But it is very relevant if it's an old character, meaning that the balance between the Horde winning or losing ingame stuff is very negative. An old character turn Warchief is just a title change under his name, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmochampionuserone View Post
    The Alliance don't get a revenge on the Horde responsible for what happened to them. The 'player Horde'. That's the problem. The 'Player Horde' actually did all of those things to the Alliance.

    I'm repeating myself more because the thick skulled Horde idiots and Blizzard that don't realise it yet frankly need the repetition so it can sink in eventually.
    It's you that have to sink in that the player, whoever it might be, will never be punished in any sort of matter. Ever.

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    That logic makes no sense. "Its old character so negative." xD
    Men, you've trained for this. You're among the elite. You are Skyfire men! This is the ship that took down Deathwing. You think some raggedy little Horde outpost stands a chance against the pride of the Alliance fleet? NO! Those green dirtbags down there plagued your homes in Southshore, laid siege to your children in Redridge, and massacred every man, woman and child in Theramore. It. Is. PAYBACK TIME!
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  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Alenarien View Post
    From what we've seen thus far, the bias seems obvious. That said, you are correct; but if Blizzard honestly shows the Alliance as having made any meaningful gains post-5.4 (I highly doubt they will), then i'll take back what i've said.
    They've more or less admitted through tweets that the Alliance will not be getting back any of the territories the Horde have stolen because they don't feel like going back and updating them, and they think saying "Alliance has this in lore even though it's still contested ingame" is boring (While it is, I would say it's better than the alternative of the Alliance not getting anything at all, but apparently Blizz disagrees).

    Obviously the Alliance cannot capture or destroy Orgrimmar for gameplay reasons.

    Even Garrosh himself is fought with Thrall, and so will likely be killed by Thrall. Maybe Vol'jin for the black heart/Yshaarj's heart connection, but that's not any better for us.

    Really, what's left for the Alliance to gain from Siege?

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    That logic makes no sense. "Its old character so negative." xD
    Then tell what did the Horde gained, in-game, throughout MoP. Then, subtract what is about to lose in SoO (those NPCs are vital NPCs in present Orgrimmar).

  5. #345
    The other problem, based on that quote, is that Blizzard seems to have let their intentions blind them from reality.

    Okay, so the Purge of Dalaran was supposed to give the Alliance a victory and a major new city. Sounds nice on paper. In practice?

    1) The average person does not like attacking innocents.
    2) You canceled any Alliance-controlled appearances of Dalaran.

    How is anyone, Horde or Alliance, supposed to feel good about that?

    If it is this common to hear Alliance players complaining, have you ever considered that you have alienated them? Intentions do not equal results. Whether or not you think they're justified, obviously there's a huge percentage of people who are feeling alienated. Just because you intend to appeal to them, does not mean you actually are.
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    LOL and I bet the Alliance will STILL just walk away after Garrosh is dead.

    What absurd storytelling.

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrathius View Post
    Even Garrosh himself is fought with Thrall, and so will likely be killed by Thrall.
    Thrall isn't going to kill Garrosh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Then tell what did the Horde gained, in-game, throughout MoP. Then, subtract what is about to lose in SoO (those NPCs are vital NPCs in present Orgrimmar).
    Right so NPCs = entire zones.

    Gotcha.

    I don't know why you are again adding a qualification. Its not just MoP. Its Cataclysm as well. Expansions don't happen in a vacuum.
    Men, you've trained for this. You're among the elite. You are Skyfire men! This is the ship that took down Deathwing. You think some raggedy little Horde outpost stands a chance against the pride of the Alliance fleet? NO! Those green dirtbags down there plagued your homes in Southshore, laid siege to your children in Redridge, and massacred every man, woman and child in Theramore. It. Is. PAYBACK TIME!
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  9. #349
    Tauror...you just misread what I said completely. By the 'Player Horde' I meant the Horde faction that the Player is a part of, not the Player themselves...

  10. #350
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Right so NPCs = entire zones.

    Gotcha.
    In MoP, I said it on my post.

    And yet again, it's gameplay-wise, Horde gained zones in Cataclysm because the leveling zones were unbalanced. As Blizzard always said, the gameplay comes first, lore after it.

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    Well shit. I did have some faith hellscream wasn't that bad since he did give the civilans time to leave... Guess I was wrong. Will he kill them but.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    In MoP, I said it on my post.

    And yet again, it's gameplay-wise, Horde gained zones in Cataclysm because the leveling zones were unbalanced. As Blizzard always said, the gameplay comes first, lore after it.
    Because Horde zones can't have them losing right? The Alliance has never had quest chains where they lose, amirite? lol.

    I don't care if you said MoP, Cataclysm is equally as relevant still since this is when the complaints started. If you want to play bullshit semantics, then you can just talk about Theramore. Which happened after Cataclysm and is part of the MoP storyline.
    Men, you've trained for this. You're among the elite. You are Skyfire men! This is the ship that took down Deathwing. You think some raggedy little Horde outpost stands a chance against the pride of the Alliance fleet? NO! Those green dirtbags down there plagued your homes in Southshore, laid siege to your children in Redridge, and massacred every man, woman and child in Theramore. It. Is. PAYBACK TIME!
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    In the book it was explained that all the children were ported away from Theramore before the blast, soooo

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Aviditas View Post
    In the book it was explained that all the children were ported away from Theramore before the blast, soooo
    Well obviously the book lied and the Alliance got another kick in the balls.

  15. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by Jokubas View Post
    The other problem, based on that quote, is that Blizzard seems to have let their intentions blind them from reality.

    Okay, so the Purge of Dalaran was supposed to give the Alliance a victory and a major new city. Sounds nice on paper. In practice?

    1) The average person does not like attacking innocents.
    2) You canceled any Alliance-controlled appearances of Dalaran.

    How is anyone, Horde or Alliance, supposed to feel good about that?

    If it is this common to hear Alliance players complaining, have you ever considered that you have alienated them? Intentions do not equal results.
    Also, after the purge Varian shows up and reprimands Jaina saying that he was working on getting the Blood Elves back in the Alliance. And since the Sunreavers would have presumably switched sides with the rest of their race, we'd have still gotten Dalaran as well. And then they later said that the purge was planned by Garrosh as a means of forcing the Belves to stay with the Horde. Um, what?

    If the purge was supposed to be the Alliance's big moment, why has Blizzard tried so hard to undermine it as an Alliance victory? Why did they write it so that things would have ended better for us had we done nothing? Why is our "victory" playing right into Garrosh's hands?

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by Mmochampionuserone View Post
    Tauror...you just misread what I said completely. By the 'Player Horde' I meant the Horde faction that the Player is a part of, not the Player themselves...
    Like I said to Alenarien, we know nothing about post-SoO. SoO ends with Garrosh's death and the retreat of the Alliance forces, we know nothing about the future deals until upcoming patches.

    It would be like invading Normandy and already planning to make deals with the future German government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrathius View Post
    If the purge was supposed to be the Alliance's big moment, why has Blizzard tried so hard to undermine it as an Alliance victory? Why did they write it so that things would have ended better for us had we done nothing? Why is our "victory" playing right into Garrosh's hands?
    Exactly. In an effort to make the Horde's version of the event as noble as possible, the Alliance are painted as absolute douchebags. We kill shop keepers and are immediately told by Varian that we were wrong.
    Men, you've trained for this. You're among the elite. You are Skyfire men! This is the ship that took down Deathwing. You think some raggedy little Horde outpost stands a chance against the pride of the Alliance fleet? NO! Those green dirtbags down there plagued your homes in Southshore, laid siege to your children in Redridge, and massacred every man, woman and child in Theramore. It. Is. PAYBACK TIME!
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  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyK923 View Post
    Because Horde zones can't have them losing right? The Alliance has never had quest chains where they lose, amirite? lol.
    Why do I need to repeat myself? The leveling zones were unbalanced towards Alliance. Why would the Horde lose a zone, making unbalanced again?

    Gameplay > Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauror View Post
    Why do I need to repeat myself? The leveling zones were unbalanced towards Alliance. Why would the Horde lose a zone, making unbalanced again?

    Gameplay > Story
    Why do I need to repeat myself? Having a zone flip to the Horde's STORY in that zone doesn't mean the Horde, by default, has to wreck the Alliance in every single one. The Alliance has storylines (Andorhal is a good one) where we just completely lose and leave. Westfall is another one (Since I already know you were going to say "B-b-but Andorhal was in a neutral zone!").

    What don't you get about this? People don't care the zones flipped. At least most don't. They care that the Horde shit all over the Alliance in every single one.

    You can hide behind that excuse if you want, but that doesn't make it right.
    Men, you've trained for this. You're among the elite. You are Skyfire men! This is the ship that took down Deathwing. You think some raggedy little Horde outpost stands a chance against the pride of the Alliance fleet? NO! Those green dirtbags down there plagued your homes in Southshore, laid siege to your children in Redridge, and massacred every man, woman and child in Theramore. It. Is. PAYBACK TIME!
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