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    Angry Is This Normal? Or Am I Just Not Getting Lucky?

    I've never actually taken the time to try LoL or play it until a couple of days ago.

    I'm almost Level 9 and the people in this game is starting to make me miss WoW Random Dungeons and LFR Groups. This isn't about just one bad group or team, I'm genuinely curious to know if this is normal or not based on the people I run into.

    Anti-Social
    These are people who don't read the chat and never communicate with the group. Some are good, some are bad.

    Pingers
    These are people who will spam ping the map for every little reason. Whether they're targeting an enemy, targeting a turret, moving to somewhere, requesting aid, w/e. I get it, you're Recalling, you don't have to ping the map 20 times to let us know you're recalling to base.

    Non-English Speakers
    I'm used to these players from WoW dungeon groups. From my experience, a lot of them don't buy any items, follow random people into lanes, get killed by Turrets and will ping the map a billion times.

    Bad Players
    I keep getting teams with 1 or 2 players that feed the other team early on making it impossible to win. Good luck winning against a fed Master Yi -_-

    That's Another Thing... Master Yi
    Every single game both teams have a Master Yi usually and this Champion is an absolute nightmare. Especially late game when they kill turrets in 4-5 swings. Not to mention going invincible and slicing everyone to shreds in his path.

    Is this the general experience of LoL or MOBAs in general? This is my first MOBA and maybe it gets better at 30 but if this is the general experience of what LoL is like, I'm definitely not sticking around to Level to 30 and learn advanced strategies.

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    It will get better, but by what margin. Learning a MOBA can be daunting, learning curves are scary indeed, but MOBAs are some of the most fun I've ever had with any game, imho worth it. Eventually, if you stick with it, you'll be able to carry any normal game, so if winning is the end-all be-all of your experience, youre in luck. If however, winning isnt worth it if you have to deal with the trolls, then quit now. There are trolls EVERYWHERE. I'm currently pushing my elo in ranked play and every game I have someone who is hostile, incompetent, DC'ed, or a baby. It's just what you agree to when you play online games like this. Thats the best answer I can give.

    tl;dr
    It's not always going to be fun, the more competitive you get the easier it is to enjoy the game (because higher levels of competition garner better, more mature players), but in my opinion it's worth.

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    As the person above me said, it gets better the higher level you get but there will ALWAYS be trolls, feeders, manchilds and AFK people in some games.

    And as far as Master Yi goes you need to shut him down early or have some hard CC. He's about as squishy as you can get so once you stun him he'll go down like a sack of sh1t. Though if you feed him it's pretty much GG unless your team is very tanky :P

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    Level 30 play is often quite different to low level play in my experience. Things do get a lot better. Master Yi is very strong after his remake especially at low play where people do not understand the need to immediately cc him (or do not have the reaction times or experience to yet do so). He is getting tweaked down slightly in the next patch. There is often a "flavour of the month" champion that is considered very strong; and riot is always tweaking champions up and down. On new champion releases or reworks, sometimes things can be a little inbalanced - one of the reasons that in actual tournament play, their code is always one patch behind because the devs know that there are often issues.

    If you're encountering a lot of Yi, I'd recommend purchasing a champion with good cc, and even though it's blind pick, you can play them and you know he's countered if he's in the game. You could also play draft pick (I'm not sure what level you can do that from, but I think you can do it at low levels?) which means each side gets to ban 3 champs and see what the other team is picking - and ban Yi.

    But you will always get bad people, trolls, afkers, ragers.. whether you're level9, level 30 or playing at gold ranked (that's as high as I made it, so I don't know about higher...), the important thing to realise is that for every bad person you get on your team, at some point there'll be one on the other team. Over 10 games you might feel like your teams are always the worst; but over 100, or 1000 games, it's going to come out 50:50.

    I don't get too many spam pingers myself but you do get the occasional one, and in all honesty I think I've heard a different language being spoken like maybe 20 times in 1000 games on the NA servers - but I guess that's server dependent.

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    Anti-Social people will be in every MOBA. I'm pretty anti-social unless I'm playing with friends, but I also hardly ever play without at least 2 friends.

    Pingers I don't really notice, not sure, I play a lot of MOBA games, but again since I normally play with friends that reduces the chance of having someone like that. Usually I see people ping a lot in the beginning of the game, but after a minute they stop and focus on the game itself.

    Non-English speakers are the worst. No idea why they play on the same servers, it's absolutely miserable. Again, every MOBA I've played has this, playing with friends helps a little but really not much. It's... Bad.

    Bad Players is just luck of the draw. But remember your team has a lower chance of having bad players than the enemy team, so that's a plus. And again playing with friends helps me, but some games really are awful. I've had a lot of games lost just because 1-2 people on my team are so abysmal that it's impossible to win.

    As for Master Yi, eh, I hardly ever play LoL. LoL really truly isn't balanced in my opinion compared to other games, one of the reasons I don't play it much, it's really quite broken. But regardless of level, regardless of the skill you play at, you'll find all the things you mentioned unless you play with a full team. I've played ~2000 matches between LoL, DotA and HoN, and I think I've encountered bad players, non-english speakers, and people who just don't talk in 99% of the games.

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    Anti-Social
    Annoying, yes, however sometims it's better to be silent than baited to a flame war.

    Pingers
    I ping a lot. I don't spam it but you need to use it quite frequently if you are trying to guide a team to victory. People who spam requesting help however really grind on me.

    Non-English Speakers
    Language =/= skill. I play on EUW so lots of other languages can be spoken. Some are good, some are bad, just ping to communicate.

    Bad Players
    Not everyone, especially at level 9, will have a good grasp of the game. As you improve, you can carry these scrubs. I highly recommend playing a champ who excels late game, had a good initiation and AoE to do so. You chose the team fights, you can deal damage, blow their CC and peal their carry allowing the rest of your team to pick up easy kills.

    That's Another Thing... Master Yi
    Fear, stun, silence all shut Yi down.

    In all honesty, the community is pretty toxic, nobody ever blames themselves and they cry that champs are OP when they lose, even when it's things like Nunu top. All you can do is ignore people, get better and climb out of bronze/silver.

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    Get over yourself man.

    First you complain about anti-socials, and then you complain about people that ping-communicate? I don't get it.

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    Bad Players
    I keep getting teams with 1 or 2 players that feed the other team early on making it impossible to win. Good luck winning against a fed Master Yi -_-
    You are level 9. I'm willing to bet you aren't that good either.

    Little tip: Don't focus on your teammate mistakes. Focus on yours. Pretty tired of people who complain about everything and everyone in this game, but can't take a good look at themselves and their own mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight Gil View Post
    You are level 9. I'm willing to bet you aren't that good either.

    Little tip: Don't focus on your teammate mistakes. Focus on yours. Pretty tired of people who complain about everything and everyone in this game, but can't take a good look at themselves and their own mistakes.
    This is actually some of the best advice you'll ever get in league in my humble opinion. You can't pick your team mates, you can't change them once you've got them, you probably won't be able to improve them in game even if you see them making mistakes, you can try, but most people aren't really open to criticism in the heat of the moment. What you can do is focus on yourself. Work on your own mistakes, winning your lane, getting the highest CS, when you're doing that, work on how you can impact other lanes, how you can roam, how you can pressure, how you can take away from their jungler. Don't make games about what other people on your team are doing because you will get frustrated. Make games about what you are doing and how you can do more. Even if you lose the game, take pride in the fact that you won your lane, had good gold, cs, had a good build and be confident that you did the best you could.

    Everyone makes mistakes, even the pros and the challengers admit that they have things they can work on so you definitely do as well, it's just identifying them and using that as a way to improve.

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    Anti-Social
    Lots of people don't really pay attention in normal games. Especially since you're only level 9. But you also get that stuff in ranked which will really grind your gears.

    Pingers
    People tend to spam ping because it's the only way to get somebodies attention. Trust me if you ping MIA one time nobody listens or even will bother to look to see where it is. You do it 2-3 times people will know where it is and become more alert.

    Non-English Speakers
    This isn't too much of a problem now with the whole Brazil server and stuff. But yes it was a massive problem before and was rather annoying.

    Bad Players
    You're only level 9. You're going to get that stuff as people are playing champions for the first time. Like I said it's normals just focus on getting your mechanics and you'll be fine.

    That's Another Thing... Master Yi
    OP champ that snowballs really hard. It's the reason why he is banned in ranked all the time.

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    Well from my personal experience, I have to say the LoL community is much worse than WoW's LFD/LFR and realm community and that says a lot about it cause WoW isn't even the best out there. WoW is horrible as well.

    But the big reason LoL has such a horrible community is cause of no restrictions or limitations on creating new accounts. The game is free and new accounts can easily be created. I've played LoL for around 6 months and I've never gotten above level 15. I like staying at the low levels.

    So you will often have high levels create smurf accounts just to troll the game or people creating low level accounts for the sake of it.

    I can't really say if it gets any better but I wouldn't really waste my time with LoL if you don't have friends to play with.

    Another thing to remember is most games go on for 30+ mins and often going past the hour. That is a lot of time for most people so they are expecting to make the most out of it and will not put up with any crap from their team mates. This often causes them to rage or be aggressive.

    LoL is played by a vast majority of chinese people which often doesn't help as well.

    P.S Master Yi is one of those champions where you really can't do much against especially if he initiates and has a BoRTK. His burst is simply too good and he has pretty good sticking power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonheart View Post
    Well from my personal experience, I have to say the LoL community is much worse than WoW's LFD/LFR and realm community and that says a lot about it cause WoW isn't even the best out there. WoW is horrible as well.

    But the big reason LoL has such a horrible community is cause of no restrictions or limitations on creating new accounts. The game is free and new accounts can easily be created. I've played LoL for around 6 months and I've never gotten above level 15. I like staying at the low levels.

    So you will often have high levels create smurf accounts just to troll the game or people creating low level accounts for the sake of it.

    I can't really say if it gets any better but I wouldn't really waste my time with LoL if you don't have friends to play with.

    Another thing to remember is most games go on for 30+ mins and often going past the hour. That is a lot of time for most people so they are expecting to make the most out of it and will not put up with any crap from their team mates. This often causes them to rage or be aggressive.

    LoL is played by a vast majority of chinese people which often doesn't help as well.

    P.S Master Yi is one of those champions where you really can't do much against especially if he initiates and has a BoRTK. His burst is simply too good and he has pretty good sticking power.
    League of Legends definitely won't be winning any awards for its community, but aside from that fact, I'm going to have to disagree with just about everything else in this post.

    I'm not sure why you would voluntarily keep yourself at a low level. Low level play is absolutely as bad as it gets, so you are basically forcing yourself to experience the worst that League has to offer. Doesn't really make much sense to me, but hey, to each their own.

    Smurfs are quite prevalent, but unless you are going out of your way to avoid leveling up, you won't have much of an issue with them. And while playing with friends does enhance the experience like it does with most games, it's absolutely not necessary.

    Games rarely ever go longer than an hour. Out of my last 50 games, maybe two of them broke the 60 minute mark. It's possible your experience has differed greatly from my own, but a game being drawn out that long is a pretty rare occurrence. I also can't even remember the last time I played with someone that didn't speak an acceptable degree of English. League must be a completely different game pre-30.

    And finally, Master Yi is not some godlike champion. Maybe he appears that way to players that have absolutely no idea what is going on, but like others have said in this thread, he melts like butter under any form of CC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonheart View Post
    I've played LoL for around 6 months and I've never gotten above level 15. I like staying at the low levels.
    You really should try it sometime. Level 30+ is a whole different game. The best way to challenge yourself and improve is to play against people higher skill than you and learn how to cope with it. If you constantly play against new players you're never going to experience the real depth of strategy, challenge, teamwork or individual skill that the game can coax out of you at the upper levels.

    Another thing to remember is most games go on for 30+ mins and often going past the hour. That is a lot of time for most people so they are expecting to make the most out of it and will not put up with any crap from their team mates. This often causes them to rage or be aggressive.
    This is a problem you are experiencing because you're playing the game at low levels. The higher the level and the higher your ranking at 30+, often games do not last that long. At the higher rankings people have the skill and knowledge to close a game early if they snowball or get an advantage. The gold in game is massively higher because people are constantly cs'ing and focusing objectives, so the ability to push to win is very high should you get a solid teamfight win. At low levels people run around like headless chickens for 40 minutes when they could have ended the game at 20, because they're not working together, they're not getting the gold - and if they do win a teamfight or get a gold advantage, they don't know how to use it correctly. Of my last 100 normal games, 3 have lasted longer than 60 minutes. Of my last 100 ranked games, 0 have.

    LoL is played by a vast majority of chinese people which often doesn't help as well.
    Umm.. I don't even know what you're trying to get at with that statement but it comes across as kinda racist; very few people located in Asia play on the NA/EU servers due to the restrictions/ping. The vast majority of people on each region live in that region so I don't really see how their race is an issue.

    P.S Master Yi is one of those champions where you really can't do much against especially if he initiates and has a BoRTK. His burst is simply too good and he has pretty good sticking power.
    Master Yi, as already mentioned several times in this thread, can be countered by any sort of cc which a great deal of champions possess.

    Anyway, each to their own - but honestly, give it a chance at level 30 and improving your play. I think you will get a better experience from LoL than sticking at the low levels, where you're going to see the worst of the community and the most basic gameplay.

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    I wish I could play but I'm too sick. When I played rather recently the only really annoying thing I found was when people left or went afk. That sucks. No fast surrender either IIRC.

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    Anti-Social
    Its better to communicate but if u just carry ur team and never talk its still fine.

    Pingers
    They are fine aslong they don't ping it every second.

    Non-English Speakers
    At higher elo this wont exist

    Bad Players
    Dont worry, this happens to everyone

    That's Another Thing... Master Yi
    Just stun him and hes done, like Fizz, Kat, Tryndamere, Yi is designed to stomp noobs.

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    All of these kind of players you can find in any 5th division. But in every 1st division there is a lot of trolls or afkers...

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    I'm doing a /ignore all at the beginning of every game. I only communicate with pings. This is incredibly effective since I'm playing on EUNE, a server populated by savage monkeys. Saves me a lot of stress and anger. I don't want to generalise, but it's the reality. The good players are heavily outnumbered by the idiots.

    So I guess you could say I am anti-social. You can't socialise with animals.

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